Whew. Beginning Thursday, Milwaukee Magazine was deluged with e-mail from readers across the country, alternately praising and trashing our feature story, Secrets of Talk Radio by Dan Shelley, the former news director of WTMJ radio. Many of the naysayers demanded to know how we could run such a story, and were reinforced in their views by TMJ talk show host Charlie Sykes, who spent two hours bashing the article on his Friday morning show.
Ironically, it was Sykes who edited and contributed to some of the first Pressroom columns for this magazine, back when he served as its editor. He helped create a tradition of 25 years' standing: Milwaukee Magazine is known for its coverage of the media, which is based on the simple principle that transparency in the industry is a good thing. Consumers of the media and the American democracy are better served by the light of such scrutiny.
It was Jim Romenesko who created the model for the magazines column. You might say he now does Pressroom for the nation, and his popular column for the Poynter Institute was among the Internet sites that helped spread the word about our current story.
Why run the story? Well, in four days, the magazines Web site had 49,000 unique visitors, about 10 times more traffic than normal. It was an editors dream. But frankly, I had bigger plans. Before the story was published, I contacted Sykes and made him an offer: I would leak the piece ahead of time to him and offer the chance to write his own story, defending talk radio and responding to Shelleys claims. This would place Milwaukee Magazine at the heart of an important debate, give both stories equal treatment and generate two straight months of controversy.
Sykes seemed interested and asked to see the story. But after that, I never heard from him. Finally, I was contacted by Sykes boss, Journal Broadcast Executive Vice President Steve Wexler, who informed me Sykes would not be doing an article for us. Instead, he asked the magazine to run a short letter from management that, among other things, said neither the station nor our hosts were offered a chance to comment on or correct errors of fact.
In response, I e-mailed Wexler and told him the magazine always runs corrections of factual errors, so he should inform me of any such examples. He never responded. After we posted the story, he again e-mailed me and asked if we were going to run that letter. I again responded that he needed to alert us of any errors. I was again met by silence, so I sent Wexler a revised letter that changed the wording to this: Neither the station nor our hosts were offered a chance to comment on the claims made by the author. Wexler agreed to this and I posted his letter.
This may seem like a small difference, but I can tell you that any editor for the Mainstream Media, as talk radio has dubbed us, lives in fear of errors and takes pains to correct any. The reason is simple: The value of publications is their good will in the community. If the publication begins to get the reputation that it doesnt play fair, doesnt strive at all times to be accurate and correct errors, this will generate bad will that lowers its prestige and readership.
Conservative talk radio is a different animal entirely. Both Sykes and WISN afternoon host Mark Belling, the two top rated such hosts in town, have expressly declared they are entertainers and not journalists, and have no obligation to present both sides of an issue. Their appeal arises precisely from a lack of good will toward certain segments of the community. And yet when Shelley offered a behind-the-scenes description of how this approach works, Sykes cried foul. But his response merely reinforced Shelleys critique.
Sykes Misfires
As Shelleys story describes it, talk radio hosts like to portray themselves and their audiences as victims of a liberal media. Sure enough, Sykes began his program by portraying the story as part of a liberal conspiracy to bring back the fairness doctrine requiring radio programs to present both sides of an issue. As the former editor of Milwaukee Magazine, Sykes is well aware it has never published stories on federal issues. We are strictly local. We have no position on the fairness doctrine. Had Shelley proposed a story that did not focus on local radio hosts, I would never have run it.
Shelley notes how talk radio uses the you know what would happen if this was a liberal argument. Sure enough, Sykes said, you know what would
happen if the magazine had been offered a story going after liberal Journal Sentinel columnist Eugene Kane? The answer is we would publish it and did: Our March 2006 Pressroom did the inside story on how Kane attacked Germantown for alleged racism without checking the facts. Sykes, of course, knows this, because he alerted his listeners to our story.
Shelley notes how Charlie would personally belittle people when he couldnt win his arguments on the merits. Sure enough, Sykes suggested Shelley must be a disgruntled former employee. But Shelley was known as a loyal corporate soldier in his 11 years at WTMJ and left only to take a job in digital media with WCBS in New York. Sykes pounced on this to associate Shelley with former CBS anchor Dan Rather and Rathergate, but Shelley was at TMJ when that happened, and doubtlessly helped Charlie with his attacks on Rather at the time.
Whats striking about Sykes blogged response to Shelleys essay is how unresponsive it is. Sykes doesnt directly address or deny that conservative talk radio hosts (1) perpetuate the notion that listeners are victims and the host is the vehicle by which they are empowered; (2) use an us-versus-them approach that regularly targets Democrats, Republicans in Name Only and the mainstream media; (3) refuse to do an even-handed discussion of issues; (4) belittle callers when the argument cant be won on the merits; (5) strategically find occasions to disagree with the Republican leaders or conservative doctrine to give the impression of being an independent thinker; (6) wont risk their credibility by backing a Republican candidate who has no chance of winning; (7) rely on the you know what would happen if this was a liberal line of attack; (8) use the pre-emptive strike to immediately accuse the media of overplaying a budding news story that might make conservatives look bad; (9) selectively use facts to support their position and ignore any that dont; (10) pound away on an issue, hour after hour, day after day, to motivate listeners to contact their public officials in support of a particular policy; (11) use a double standard on such issues as the line-item veto, perjury and activist judges (all three are great if they help Republicans or conservatives, but bad if used in support of Democrats).
Nor does Sykes deny a claim specific to his style: that he routinely attacks Journal Sentinel editors Marty Kaiser and George Stanley, knowing they are unlikely to respond to his e-mails, so he could then blast their decisions and additionally bash them for not having the guts to respond to him.
Rather than addressing these specific observations, Sykes mostly heaps scorn on Shelley. Even the few times when Sykes contests some point, he does so selectively. In response to Shelleys claim that callers were screened so carefully that even prominent politicians wouldnt be allowed on the air, Sykes brings in his producer Joe Scialfa, who denies this while adding, I can only think of a handful of times that either Mayor Tom Barrett or former Mayor John Norquist called and werent put on the air.
Sykes also denies using Republican talking points in his shows. Interestingly, he doesnt deny getting sent the daily talking points, but says he just deletes them. I see. So a talk show host who adamantly declares he presents a conservative point of view and frequently brags that his advocacy has helped get Republicans elected has no desire to see how the GOP is trying to frame the issues? How remarkably uncurious of Sykes.
At his best, Sykes can be a terrific writer. But in this case, he faced what may have been an insuperable problem: His show is on the public airwaves and too many listeners have heard him operate in exactly the fashion so precisely described by Shelley. Perhaps this is why Sykes or his bosses decided he couldnt win the debate with his former co-worker, and so declined to do an article for Milwaukee Magazine. Instead, they decided to circle the wagons and declare that a liberal conspiracy is afoot. If so, its one cooked up by a longtime colleague that they trusted to help run Charlies show for 11 years. Its precisely that unique vantage point that makes his essay of such interest to readers.
The Buzz
-Word has it that Milwaukee school board members Jennifer Morales and Danny Goldberg wont be running for re-election.
-The Journal Sentinels fine (if overly long) series on Wisconsins drinking culture triggered a follow-up story by the New York Times. Quite a coup for the JS.
And the Sports Nut considers: Are the Packers that good or the Bears that bad?
22 Comments
Your article regarding Sykes and talk radio is a decade too late. One either is a blind follower of this kind of blather or has lived on a far away island in the Pacific to not have understood how this kind of radio works. While an insider's account is interesting, the article had a "been there done that" quality.
So Jennifer Morales and Danny Goldberg won't be running for re-election...what about Charlene Hardin???
I titled a short blog item on the piece "Suspicions Confirmed," because that's what the article did. Paine and others may have surmised that's what was going on, but now it's been verified by someone who was on the inside. Much of what Shelley confirmed has been denied by Sykes over the years and again last week so having an authoratitve source go on the record is valuable. Kudos to MilMag.
Sykes, of course, can rant about the article on air, knowing most people will never read that he was offered a chance to write his own piece for the magazine.
Seriously? You're criticizing Sykes for being one-sided?
Milwaukee Magazine's "expose" seemed a bit more like a jealous skree from a jilted lover.
Kudos to the Milwaukee Magazine for exposing these carnival-like hoaxers Belling and Sykes. Both are social misfits who "hide" on the radio. They would never dare to mouth off to those who they attack in person.
The article makes one think, why do so many people in Milwaukee listen to these "entertainers?" Is it because this is Brewtown, the town that made the anti-intellectual famous? I think it is. People in this city like being ignorant, not knowing about the world and believe that "second-class" is good enough. That's why these pathetic men are popular. We are a city full of mental midgets fueled by alcohol.
Everything you write is dead on regarding Sykes, but could just as easily apply to liberal newspaper columnists who dominate the printed page. The strategies outlined are hardly unique to the radio format or conservative pundits. You are describing modern punditry in general.
Charlene Hardin has no where else to go.
Thank you for exposing the intellectual thuggery and the moral bankruptcy spawned by the AM Talk Radio entertainment class and those who profit from its manifest improbities.
Michael Horne
www.milwaukeeworld.com
Sykes and Belling and other talk show hosts like to call themselves entertainers as a way of not having to take any responsiblity for their idiotic spin. Calling themselves entertainers is like calling a horse a cow. It is just part of the spin. One thing they do have in common is very thin skin, and they can dish it out, but they cannot take it. What they basically are is professsional whiners.
Thank you for publishing this article. I am one of the people who have
tried to call Sykes's show over the years to offer a different
point of view. I was always cut off and never allowed on the air.
As a result, I stopped listening. And that is the real answer to this
constant barrge of hate and "victim" making. Stop listening. There were
enough of us to do that during the presidential campaign - maybe some day
there will be enough of us to get Charlie Sykes off the air.
Patricia, if you are just going to stop listening, why would you want to prevent other people from being able to make that choice - or not - in a free society. Criticize Sykes. Surely, he deserves it. But don't cross the line by imposing your listening preferences on other Americans. Do you even see the blatant irony in your own post? You say he wouldn't allow you on the air, so you don't want him to stay on the air. You criticize him for not giving you a voice, so you want to take away his. Give me a break. Don't dictate choices to others.
OK. Most of us agree that Charlie and Mark are cretins who stretch the facts to garner ratings and listener share. They both have ego's the size of Montana and don't play fair. However, without them, who would carry the torch for the conservatives? Someone has to speak up against the spins put up by the local partisan media. Without them, do you really think such stories as the golden parachute pensions for City of Milwaukee Officials, illegal business deals by the Governor and voter fraud would ever get reported? Doubtful.
John, you are correct. Their' tactics are no different than the "Mainstream Media", only less subtle.
John,
I don't believe that Patricia was advocating removing Sykes et. al. from the air through government action. My read is that she is hoping that eventually their listeners will wise up to their tactics and hypocrisy. Eventually those listeners will also stop tuning in to their shows The ratings will drop the advertisers will bail the hotheads will lose their jobs and have to work for their paychecks. The Free Market at work.
First of all I have never heard Sykes's show. I tune into Belling sometimes on my drive home. Glowman is right that someone should speak up on the stories he mentions. That should be the job of the papers as well. Belling is right some of the time. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. I remember him talking a few weeks ago about Congressman who has Foleys seat. He is alleged to put his mistress on the pay roll. He said no one was reporting on it. I googled that and found all sorts of articles. I have never heard him say he was an entertainer. Every once in a while he claims to break a story. If he isn't a journalist now he certainly was in the past.
As for ShorewoodMike's statements that listeners would tune out, I doubt that is going to happen anytime soon. I think Belling has been on the air for 18 years and his ratings are still high.
No doubt the guy is just preaching to the choir as are most talk show hosts on the right and left.
The Buzz is accurate - Morales and Goldberg are not running. Hardin - I hope she runs so she can get the boot!
I do not understand why editor Bruce Murphy, on behalf of Milwaukee Magazine, agreed to publish a letter from WTMJ falsely stating that neither WTMJ nor Charlie Sykes were invited to comment on this article.
And the local media story I would very much like to see treated in depth by Milwaukee Magazine would be the more general question of "Whatever Happened to WTMJ?" I cannot be the only one who remembers when we used to look to WTMJ both radio and TV for quality journalism. Sadly, those days are now long gone, whatever their ratings may be.
WTMJ's claim is technically true: we did not offer them a chance to comment in Shelley's article and in our December issue, but did offer them a chance to do a rebuttal article of their own in our January issue, which they declined to do.
While we can hope that the likes of Charlie Sykes and Mark Belling, and pretty much everyone working at FOX News, would start to fade from existence as the country begins to wake up from our eight year nightmare that will soon end -- there are unfortunately far too many "victims" in our society who are unable to think for themselves and rely on these mental midgets on talk radio and FOX News to think up conspiracies on their behalf, someone making them feel better about their own issues and inadquacies by denigrating other people who are taking responsibilities for their own lives and trying to help others. Part of the ugly side of our society today -- Charlie Sykes and Mark Belling represent the ugliest part of American today.
Excelent. Finally someone in the media has the guts to tell the truth about Sykes and the likes of WTMJ. None better than a former insider. Refreshing!
Perhaps you remember our meeting at a Council for Wis. Writers awards banquet? Anyhow, I greatly enjoy and admire your weekly blog! Now I'd dearly love to see you take on the "case" of Scott Jensen, who continues drawing 100k plus a year, whereas McGee spent months in the slammer awaiting trial. Is the fix in for Jensen? Whatever, keep it up!
Jeff, you write "there are unfortunately far too many "victims" in our society who are unable to think for themselves"
At whom do you think ALL ten thousand of Obama's vote-for-me commercials were directed at? And gee, what radio stations were those played on ALL day long? Hint: It wasn't TMJ or ISN. People unable to think for themselves don't listen to those stations.
None of the "mental midgets" will be fading from existence as long a Democrat is President. Thinking or hoping that makes you a mental midget.
I was wondering: what other things was Steve Wexler asking for, besides the "chance to comment on or correct errors of fact"? While their claim may have been technically true, it certainly seems to me that they were given ample opportunity to dissect Mr. Shelley's story and poke as many holes in it as they could. Then they could come in next month loaded for bear. So to me, their claim, while perhaps true in a technical sense, is completely without merit.