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Cloak & Dagger

Why did a Hmong-American hatch a plot to violently overthrow the government of Laos? And how did he get so close to so many Wisconsin politicians? by Jessica McBride

Monday 10/29/2007

Watch who you trust, warned Gary George.

They sat in the upscale Grafton home of the once-formidable Milwaukee lawmaker, with its scenic view of Lake Michigan. They made an unusual pair. George was then on parole, still finishing out a federal sentence. Lo Cha Thao was a Hmong political operative who was allegedly plotting to violently overthrow the communist government of Laos.

Thao wanted advice from his old mentor, who had employed him as a state-paid legislative aide back when George was a Democratic state senator. Throughout the spring of 2007, Thao had been meeting with an arms dealer who might provide weapons to a group interested in waging this surreal, overseas revolution.

But could they trust the dealer? Would he tip off federal law enforcement agents? Or was the arms dealer himself a covert CIA operative, suggesting the CIA secretly approved of the Hmong action.

George doubted the latter. He knew how government sting operations worked. He had, after all, been nabbed by one, convicted for a complicated kickback scheme involving state funding and accused of having his Senate staffers do work for a Virgin Islands TV station owned by his relatives. It would be wiser to exchange any money with the seller in international waters, George advised Thao.

And if the arms dealer was a federal agent? They make you feel comfortable, George warned. Then, they get you.

Undeterred, Thao rendezvoused again a few weeks later with the arms dealer in a Sacramento, Calif., bar-and-grill. The plan was to support remaining Hmong resistance fighters in Laos. They were on the run from Communists, the atrocities against them chronicled on YouTube – women raped and hanged from trees, children disemboweled.

Two other Hmong and a 60-year-old Vietnam veteran named Harrison Ulrich Jack, a retired lieutenant colonel in the California National Guard and a Homeland Security contractor, joined them. Jack seemed an unlikely warrior, with his bland beige suits and wire-rimmed glasses. But he owed the Hmong from back in his fighting days in Vietnam.

The dealer pulled out satellite images of Laos, downloaded from Google. Twenty-four mercenaries stood ready, he said. Thao displayed maps. They’d previously discussed the needs: AK-47s, light anti-tank weapons, Claymore mines. He wanted seven or eight buildings blown up, like “September 11th,” Thao said.

“Colonel Jack can be my prime minister,” he joked.

Although some of the plotters suspected the agent worked for the government, that gave them comfort. The Hmong, after all, had been secret allies of the U.S. in the Vietnam War days, and they expected sympathy for another covert anti-communist effort to bring democracy to Laos.

But this was a different era, rife with hostility to anything suggestive of terrorism, and the men who had once been American freedom fighters, or whose fathers had been, were about to be arrested as terrorists.

As George had suspected, Thao and his confederates had walked into a trap. It was a sting operation by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the arms dealer was one of theirs. The meetings had been taped and the phones tapped. In an 88-page indictment, the government alleges that Thao, Jack and eight other Hmong-Americans – including Gen. Vang Pao, a revered former general in the Laotian army who’d led the secret CIA war in the 1960s and ’70s – violated the U.S. Neutrality Act and conspired to kill, maim or injure persons in a foreign country. George was named (but not indicted) in a federal affidavit that details his alleged conversations with Thao.

It was a “shocking” story, some news accounts suggested. There is talk of getting Clint Eastwood interested in a movie. And some are now calling Thao the “Hmong Jack Bauer,” alluding to the heroic counterterrorism operative in the TV series “24.”

But why the connection to Wisconsin? It was perhaps inevitable, given this state has the nation’s third-largest Hmong population. But it’s surely one of the oddest political stories the state has ever found itself party to, a cloak-and-dagger intrigue worthy of a Robert Ludlum novel.

For Lo Cha Thao was more than simply a protégé of Gary George. He had bipartisan allies, having worked for former Republican state Sen. Robert Welch as well as car dealer Russ Darrow when Darrow ran for U.S. Senate. His paramilitary youth group received funding from then-Attorney General Jim Doyle, now Wisconsin’s Democratic governor, and Thao claims associations with former Republican congressman and current Ambassador Mark Green, which Green’s spokesman denies.

Thao was also close to former state Sen. Dave Zien, the madcap Eau Claire Republican known for his motorcycle riding and underground home shooting range. Zien insists he’s the one who first suggested Thao should bring weapons into his overseas effort during a meeting the two had at a McDonald’s parking lot in Eau Claire.

The 34-year-old Thao, it seems, well understood a fundamental principle of American politics: Association to power often matters as much as power itself. Indeed, as he sits under house arrest, released on more than $2 million bail posted by fellow Hmong who pooled their houses as collateral, Wisconsin observers are asking about this political Zelig: Who didn’t Lo Cha Thao know? And just how much did these officials know about him? It may well be the political question of the year. It’s certainly the strangest.

It was back in the mid-1970s,immediately after the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam, that Hmong began immigrating in large numbers to this country. The connection between the Hmong and the United States goes back more than four decades.

In the early 1960s, President John F. Kennedy and the U.S. military, then officially serving only as advisers to South Vietnam, were looking for ways to covertly disrupt the supply lines of communist North Vietnam. The U.S. was also concerned about North Vietnamese encroachment on Laos, the land-locked country next door to Vietnam, which was then ruled by a non-communist government.

The regular army of Laos had proved ineffective against the North Vietnamese. So the CIA turned to the Hmong in Laos. The word Hmong literally means “free.” In Laos, the Hmong, who had migrated from China, had no written language, prayed to shamans and used horses as primary transportation.

Though America had signed an international accord promising to stay out of Laos, the CIA’s Bill Lair secretly recruited Vang Pao to lead the irregular army of about 30,000 – including child fighters – trained and funded by America.

Hugh Tovar, the CIA station chief in Laos from 1970 to 1973, offered a slightly different chronology in a rare e-mail interview: “The prime minister of Laos asked President Kennedy to provide clandestine assistance to Vang Pao’s irregulars. Kennedy assigned the task to CIA.”

Pao’s army would go on to fight for almost 15 years, helping to rescue downed American pilots, block North Vietnamese supply lines down the Ho Chi Minh trail and protect American radar sites.

“As the undisputed leader of the Hmong population in Laos, General Pao was uniquely effective, both militarily and politically,” Tovar notes. “They were expert guerrilla fighters, organized chiefly in small units, specializing in ambush, night maneuvers, hit-and-run strikes, and intelligence collection.”

Among those whose lives they saved was that of Harrison Jack, an Army ranger who would later be asked to return the favor by joining the conspiracy with Thao to overthrow present-day Laos.

Thao’s father served as a military lieutenant for Pao in Laos. “My dad got shot. He’s 76 years old now. He still has scars on his face and his legs,” says Thao.

A mythology grew up around Pao among the Hmong: Pao was shot by an assassin; Pao survived a plane crash; Pao didn’t fear death; Pao was the savior of the Hmong people. “He was many times shot,” says Hmong scholar Yang Dao. Over time, he became known as “the George Washington of the Hmong.”

The Hmong sacrifice for America was enormous. Half of its army died, says Dao.

Bill Fortier, a retired military man and friend of Jack, recently attended a dinner party where Pao’s brother recalled the Hmong losses in that war: “He was in tears when he told us he lost 99 of his men and was a sole survivor when his unit was fighting to save one American downed pilot. He was so emotional that everyone was in tears. He said the Hmong people loved America and were willing to sacrifice whatever it took to save the Americans.”

In 1975, when the Americans retreated from Southeast Asia, the Communists finally took over Laos, and slaughtered thousands of Hmong. “His (Pao’s) personal commitment to the United States resulted in the tragedy of his own exile and the total disruption of the Hmong community,” Tovar notes.

Thousands of Hmong fled to Thai refugee camps. Thao’s brother carried him, at age 3, through the mountains. The American government airlifted Pao out. Others were left behind. Ultimately, some 200,000 Hmong fled Laos.

The U.S. Catholic Conference and Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services helped to sponsor Hmong immigration to the U.S. beginning in 1975. Heavily Catholic and Lutheran, Wisconsin became a prime recruiter, after only Minnesota and California. Today, the largest Hmong communities in the state are in La Crosse, Sheboygan, Green Bay, Wausau and Milwaukee.

For some, there was a dark side to the almost legendary tale of the Hmong warriors. UW-Madison history professor Alfred McCoy published a 1972 book making the controversial claim that Pao was a warlord and heroin trafficker. McCoy says he interviewed French intelligence officers and traced smuggling trails.

Other scholars – notably the author Jane Hamilton-Merritt – dispute his findings. She says the Hmong used opium as a medicine, but didn’t have the technical knowledge to turn it into Heroin. Hamilton-Merritt interviewed more than 1,000 people – Lao, Hmong, French, Americans – and says “no one could
provide any evidence to support McCoy.”

For the Hmong who settled in America, Gen. Pao became a revered, almost godlike figure. “There were many widows and mothers who had lost their children (during Vietnam),” says Shwaw Vang, a Madison School Board member who tried and failed to get a school permanently named after Pao. “In a way, he (Pao) became the protector of families. In the Hmong community, they talk of him as a father figure.”

Most Americans know nothing about the bullet-scarred secret warriors now living among them. The U.S. government finally acknowledged the covert CIA army in 1994, erecting a memorial in Arlington National Cemetery honoring the mostly-Hmong soldiers for serving “freedom’s cause… Their patriotic valor and loyalty in the defense of liberty and democracy will never be forgotten.”

By then, Thao was 24 and about to make his mark in American politics.

Lo Cha Thao’s familymigrated to Illinois from a Thai refugee camp when he was 8. His parents worked in a sewing factory before moving to Stockton, Calif., where he graduated from high school, college and then commercial flight school.

Thao founded a paramilitary program to stop youth gang involvement a couple years later, which he says was supported by the California National Guard (whose representatives did not respond to interview requests). But Thue Vang, a Hmong activist who is filming a documentary on Gen. Pao, says Thao’s program charged $200 per participant, and families wondered where the money went.

“The community was not happy with Lo Cha and that is why he fled to Minnesota,” Thue Vang says.

Thao brought his program to Minnesota in 2000 – where he befriended Gen. Vang Pao’s controversial son, Cha Vang, who was working for then-St. Paul Mayor Norm Coleman, now a Republican U.S. Senator.

Not long after that, Thao moved to Wisconsin, bringing his paramilitary program, called America’s Youth 2000. “All of the troubled Hmong youth could get free paramilitary training; all they had to do is buy a uniform for $100,” says McCoy, who considered it a scam.

Hmong leaders in Appleton say Thao bypassed them, going directly to families. According to a flattering Associated Press article at the time, the Hmong youths gathered at a National Guard armory in Wausau, wearing camouflage uniforms and combat boots, for military drills. Thao was allowed to hold training in Wisconsin National Guard armories but received no financial support from the group, a guard spokesman says.

Meanwhile, Thao was gaining the attention of state politicians for other reasons. Wisconsin had a Hmong population of 45,000, and they were not politically aligned. They might be convinced to vote in a block out of deference to Gen. Pao, should he say the word. And Thao, whose father fought for the general and who was friends with Pao’s son, made much of these connections

“Lo was viewed as Vang Pao’s go-to guy,” says one political insider, “as someone with deep connections in the Hmong community, with the ability to organize them for political rallies and events.”

Eric Schutt, former executive director of the Wisconsin Republican Party, says political strategists from both parties first began actively recruiting the Hmong vote in 2002.

Thao’s group caught the attention of then-Attorney General Jim Doyle, who was preparing to run for governor. Doyle had been part of a multistate suit against several European vitamin companies for price-fixing. Wisconsin was awarded some $6 million that was then to be distributed by Doyle’s office to improve the health and nutrition of state residents.

Doyle awarded $25,000 to America’s Youth 2000 early in 2002. Just how would a paramilitary group improve health and nutrition? Doyle’s spokesman, Matt Canter, says the grants could provide youth “with alternatives to drugs and violence.” Thao says the vitamin money funded “color guards, flag tools and other materials.”

Doyle was accused of using grants won from several legal settlements to build constituencies that might support him for governor. State politicos recall seeing
buses full of Hmong activists showing up to support him in the Democratic straw poll for governor. “A lot of people argue the Hmong voted in large blocks for Jim Doyle” in the 2002 general election, Schutt says.

But it couldn’t have been Thao who delivered that vote for Doyle. Thao had chosen to work for state Sen. Gary George, who briefly ran against Doyle in the Democratic primary. George was impressed by Thao’s youth program, Thao says, and hired him as a legislative assistant in 2002.

Now that Thao has been indicted, most Republicans and Democrats won’t discuss him on the record. But they portray him as a disarmingly friendly man who drove an expensive red sports car. Some observers say Thao had a reputation for slipperiness and a taste for easy cash.

“He came here asking people to vote for George,” recalls Mark Xiong, who runs Lao Family Community Inc. in Milwaukee. “His personal style was too aggressive. He didn’t know the community. He only worked for himself.”

Thao was a central figure in the scandal involving forged signatures on George’s gubernatorial nomination papers. Many forged names were Hmong, and Thao and his future wife had certified some of the papers.

State prosecutors launched an investigation. They alleged that Thao admitted certifying pages he didn’t circulate, a potential felony. “A lot of it was already signed” when he was asked to certify the nomination papers, Thao now says. He didn’t know this was illegal, he adds.

No charges were ever filed. Prosecu-tors couldn’t prove who’d forged the documents. But George was kicked off the ballot.

Thao, meanwhile, was forging other political connections. He had assumed a seat on the Madison park commission and proposed naming a park after Pao. “He’s a great Hmong leader,” explains Thao. “The father of the Hmong.”

At some of the commission meetings, ex-Hmong soldiers showed up in “dark military suits, almost as if wanting to intimidate,” recalls then-Commissioner Alfonso Zepeda-Capistran.

Thao invited Zepeda-Capistran and a fellow commissioner, then-Madison Alderwoman Dorothy Borchardt, to George’s state offices. Both commissioners opposed renaming the park.

“It was very uncomfortable,” says Zepeda-Capistran. “It appeared he was doing business that did not necessarily relate to the senator’s business.”

Borchardt was struck by Thao’s style. “He did it so cool. He was nice, likable. He brought spring rolls. Everyone knows I want a pool at Warner Park. He said if I could support the park they wanted, they have people with money (to help pay for the pool). I said, ‘Sorry. We just don’t do that.’ He said in his country that’s what they do to get things done.”

Thao denies it. “I did bring spring rolls,” he laughs.

As the

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proposed park renaming generated controversy, McCoy’s book calling the general a drug trafficker re-emerged in the news. George responded by calling for a UW-Madison investigation into McCoy.

McCoy claims Thao attended a demonstration protesting McCoy’s book and spoke through a bullhorn. “I wasn’t at the protests,” denies Thao. “They were on state time.”

McCoy saw a design behind the controversies. “Every time the general gets attacked, that becomes a fundraising opportunity from elderly Hmong.”

By then, Pao was a frequent visitor to Wisconsin, although his base was solidly in Minnesota and California. Amid such controversy, the general’s reputation was becoming as gray as the “fog of war,” writes photojournalist Roger Arnold.

“(Thao) brought a presentation lauding the activities the general was involved in, particularly working with youth and getting them involved in a paramilitary group,” says Peter Muñoz, mayoral liaison to the park commission. “It scared the bejesus out of us. It looked like a country within a country with its own army.”

Around this time, Thao organized an air show to honor Hmong veterans at the La Crosse airport. A press release said the state legislature would award medals to the once-secret soldiers, who wore battle dress uniforms with American flags sticking out of their pockets.

When Gen. Pao arrived, “it was like the president had arrived,” recalls Paul Vasconi, president of the Air America Foundation.

Pao was by then in his 70s, a bald man with a pug-like face, barely skimming 5 feet tall. Observers noted the unique quality that remains in his eyes, the tiger-like bead of a warrior. His posture is erect, his torso high. He’s assertive, they say, in both facial and hand gestures.

Zien once gave Pao a ride on his Harley-Davidson motorcycle at a Wisconsin veterans’ event. Hmong prostrated themselves, collapsing on their knees and bowing, as they passed.

Thao’s efforts on behalf of Pao were controversial. Philip Smith, a former lobbyist for Pao who now runs the Center for Public Policy Analysis, says Laotian veterans’ groups’ names were appropriated without permission at some Thao-organized events, clouding Thao’s reputation even with some Hmong.

The park commission eventually nixed the name change. Meanwhile, Thao’s boss Gary George faced more trouble: an attempt to recall him from office as state senator. George needed every voter he could find, and his district had a sizable Hmong community. In June 2003, he cast the decisive, post-midnight vote to pass a new state budget after Republican lawmakers agreed to insert a $3 million Hmong cultural center in Milwaukee into it. Gov. Doyle vetoed it, spurring angry Hmong protests outside the governor’s mansion (the cultural center was back in this year’s proposed budget).

George was recalled from office in October 2003. But Thao remained a political commodity. He worked as a legislative employee for then-state Sen. Robert Welch (R-Redgranite) from December 2003 through April 2004, according to state senate records. Welch, a rural Republican known for his glasses and carefully coiffed, blow-dried white hair, seemed an unlikely match for Thao. But Welch also tapped him as an organizer in his unsuccessful primary bid for Russ Feingold’s U.S. Senate seat in 2004. In a three-way Republican primary where turnout was low, the Hmong vote could be decisive.

“I was really close to Bob Welch,” Thao says. “I had communication with Welch all the time.” Welch, now a lobbyist, did not respond to interview requests.

In mid-primary, Thao switched over to car dealer Russ Darrow’s campaign, says Schutt, who ran the campaign. Thao contacted the campaign and offered to keep Darrow in the loop on Hmong events. “He was charismatic,” Schutt recalls.

But businessman Tim Michels beat both Welch and Darrow in the primary.

Thao says he also did some work for Republican state Rep. Terry Moulton of Chippewa Falls. Moulton, who had a Hmong opponent, says he doesn’t know Thao.

As the political action began to dry up for Thao in Wisconsin, he moved back to Fresno, Calif., where he flew “fat cats” to Las Vegas for gambling, Smith says. It was in California that Thao would begin planning his war against Laos.

For many Hmongwho immigrated to America, their old country remained a kind of lost cause they continued to grieve. “When Vang Pao was forced out of Laos, there was a strong desire to go back. From that was born Neo Hom,” says Shwaw Vang, the Madison School Board member.

Neo Hom was a network of Hmong activists that Pao formed in America, with the hopes of somehow helping those who opposed the communist government in Laos. Neo Hom representatives say 18 pockets of resistance fighters remain in Laos. Hmong eat forest vegetation, shelter in caves and are targeted with chemical gas for trying to uphold the values of freedom and democracy, the Neo Hom say.

McCoy, once again, disagrees: “This is not genocide. It’s harsh pacification of a dissident movement.”

In 2003, Time magazine reporter Andrew Perrin painted a heart-rending portrait of the Hmong resistance in Laos: “a ragtag army with wailing families in tow, beseeching me to take news of their plight to the outside world…starving children, their tiny frames scarred by mortar shrapnel…”

The U.S. government, however, moved to restore diplomatic relations with Laos and normalize trade relations in 2004. After an Appleton tourist, a Hmong, mysteriously disappeared near the Lao/Thai border, the Lao Human Rights Council Inc. of Eau Claire asked Congress not to normalize trade with Laos, citing the country’s genocide and support for Saddam Hussein.

In a 2006 report, the U.S. State Department described unlawful killings and persecution of Christians and “increased efforts by security forces to eliminate scattered pockets of (Hmong) insurgents and their families in remote jungle areas.”

Thue Vang says that when Gen. Pao saw videos of the atrocities, he was moved to tears. “He wanted to do something to help those people.”

But the elderly general’s decision- making was questionable, Smith says. “He surrounded himself with some people of dubious character as he grew older, and he had a stroke.”

Younger members of the Neo Hom group started by Pao gained bad press for alleged shakedowns of elderly Hmong, who were told the money would help those in Laos, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

Some Neo Hom members had absorbed the mores of refugee camps, where “bribery, extortion was expected, otherwise people couldn’t eat,” Smith says. Some were “snake-oil salesmen.”

Smith includes Thao in this category, describing one meeting run by Thao that involved stacks of cash, whiskey and card games, like a “Roman holiday.”

Thao insists he was part of an idealistic crusade. “I got involved in this mess because I was introduced to all of the genocide that’s been happening. The community leaders came to me and showed me what’s happening in Laos.” They thought he could build political support.

Vasconi says Thao spoke about the issue to the Air America Foundation in Florida last January. Thao showed a DVD of the atrocities and told the audience all the Hmong would be dead in three years.

Thao also turned to his old rolodex. On a trip to St. Paul to attend a rally about the Laos situation last January, he traveled to nearby Eau Claire, where he met then-state Sen. Dave Zien at a McDonald’s. Zien, a Vietnam veteran, suggested organizing a group of armed Vietnam veterans to storm into Laos. “The Hmong are being hunted like animals. They are barefoot, starving, without medical supplies,” says Zien.

Zien says Thao nixed the idea of bringing weapons into it, saying they’d all get killed.

Thao says he also talked with former congressman and now Tanzanian Ambassador Mark Green about the genocide issue. Green’s spokesman denies it. Green took a leading role in arguing against normalized trade relations for Laos in 2003, calling it one of the world’s most “reprehensible abusers of human rights.”

Back in California, the indictments allege, Thao worked with a group on a plan to wage war against Laos. They’d met the arms dealer through a contact of Harrison Ulrich Jack, the only non-Hmong among the indicted group. The indictment paints him and Thao as key conspirators.

Jack was a West Point graduate, former Army ranger and intelligence officer in Berlin who was now a Department of Homeland Security contractor. He hadn’t forgotten the Hmong who saved his life in Vietnam. The man exudes “honor and duty,” says his old military friend, retired Col. Bill Fortier. Jack allegedly wanted to embed Hmong in the California Highway Patrol for training. They could later assume top enforcement posts in Laos.

The effort grew increasingly fantastical, with Thao and others allegedly meeting with the supposed arms dealer in Kmart parking lots, Thai restaurants, Doubletree hotels and the Sacramento bar-and-grill.

Thue Vang believes the plot was a “money-making scheme” designed to convince elderly Hmong who revered Gen. Pao to donate to a bogus plan.

Others insist Thao acted out of idealism. “He was very honest and devoted to his culture,” Vasconi says. “Day and night, Lo Cha was getting calls from overseas relaying information about the atrocities. His wife told Lo Cha he needed to take a break from it – it was becoming so consuming. I sensed a certain desperation and hopelessness.”

Thue Vang believes Gen. Pao was “dragged into this by Lo Cha and a couple others” and opposed using weapons. But the indictment describes Pao attending a meeting with the undercover arms dealer at a Thai restaurant. Pao was accompanied by a dozen Hmong, many of them now also under indictment – respected clan elders, a former cop. There, the indictment says, the dealer passed around a manila folder containing prices of weapons and mercenaries. Pao and others allegedly walked to his RV and handled submachine guns, grenade launchers and a rocket-propelled anti-tank weapon. I’m “sold on the whole thing,” Pao said.

The plotters’ operational plan, called “Operation Popcorn,” envisioned eliminating Laotian leadership, then creating a constitution and holding elections. Thao and others felt the U.S. Government would support the effort, or at least turn a blind eye.

Still, Thao wasn’t sure. So he turned to his old mentor, Gary George. “He did give us good advice that maybe this undercover guy was up to something,” Thao says. “That it was not the actual government trying to help us. I think [George] cares about the Hmong people.”

Thao says the key meeting occurred in the Grafton home of George, who declined to be interviewed. The federal affidavit describes the conversations this way: George wondered about Harrison Jack. “Can you trust Jack?” he asked. “Yes,” Thao replied.

Don’t trust anyone else, George said.

Thao told George the meetings with the dealer occurred at a hotel. George pushed for more information: Were they set up before Thao arrived? “Yes,” Thao said. “It might have been recorded,” George warned.

If you’re going to exchange funds, don’t do it inside the U.S., George said. Go to Mexico or take a boat into international waters. If the arms dealer balked, he was probably up to something.

Some time later, George and Thao talked again by phone. Had Lo followed up on his advice? Yes. The whole exchange would take place in Thailand.

“That’s a smart decision,” said George. “Then there’s no chance for a problem.”

Thao also says he was in “constant contact” with Welch throughout the spring. Weapons and the plot weren’t discussed, he says, but he adds, “I was open with everyone that we thought the government was helping us.”

In fact, the government was running a sting called Operation Tarnished Eagle. On June 4, 2007, a “Joint Terrorism Task Force” of 200 officers arrested 10 people, including Jack, Pao and Thao.

Many in the Hmong community felt betrayed by the U.S. government. Thue Vang says some elderly Hmong veterans died from the shock. Two defendants suffered strokes while in jail.

David “Hawkeye” Downs, a former Vietnam sniper who knows Thao, says the entire plot was a ruse to push the U.S. government to get involved in Laos. “We were trying to create a rumor that old Air America guys, Vietnam vets and CIA guys were going to fly them (the Hmong resistance fighters) out of Laos.”

The ATF agents, Downs adds, stumbled into something that wasn’t their business. “They should have called the CIA.”

Would the CIA have been helpful? “It’s hard for me to believe that a man (Pao) who was trained by the CIA, who assisted the CIA, who fought for the CIA for so many years and then was brought to America by the CIA, doesn’t have some ties still in there,” Fortier says.

Twenty years earlier, the CIA might have been asked to help the Hmong.

“Ronald Reagan would have found out how much more money they needed,” says Smith. He believes the indictment is the “sign of the times” – a weakened, lame-duck president consumed by another war.

Tovar, the former CIA bureau chief, considers the arrest of the general a tragedy. “Vang Pao is responsible for knowing our law,” he notes. “But I doubt he fully understands it. Even if he does, I think it would be fairly easy to trick him into a desperate act to free his people left behind in Laos. I do not think his current predicament will be comprehensible to the Hmong; certainly not to the old soldiers who followed him into battle, nor to the many who have relatives still living under a repressive regime.”

Pao’s incarceration, adds Tovar, would be a terrible blow. “Many hundreds of Americans who as young men soldiered in the company of Vang Pao and the Hmong would see harshness rather than justice in such treatment of one of the best friends we ever had.”

But U.S. Attorney McGregor Scott, who is prosecuting the case for the Sacramento district, sees it differently “The United States cannot provide a safe harbor to those plotting to overthrow a government with whom we are at peace,” he has declared.

“We cannot tolerate our country being used as a staging ground for foreign coup attempts,” says Assistant Attorney General for National Security Ken Wainstein.

How, McCoy asks, can a nation fight a global war on terror if it supports Hmong “terrorists” plotting from its own shores? “They had to nail him,” he says.

But some observers draw a parallel to our allies in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“Should Vang Pao be convicted, it will send a very ugly message to other prospective allies about the shabby way we treat our friends after our interest in them fades,” Tovar says.

Thao claims to be mystified by his arrest. “I still don’t know why we’re being accused,” he says. “All we do is go to congressmen and senators just for the genocide.”

Defense attorneys argue the plotters thought they were operating with at least tacit CIA approval and were entrapped by the ATF agent. Thao’s attorney, Mark Reichel, says taped conversations add details not in the indictment, including references the agent allegedly made to being a Navy seal with top-secret clearance.

“This group of people is owed a hell of a lot by the government, and instead of paying them back as promised, they misled them, preyed upon them and betrayed them,” says Reichel. He adds: “The last person to put a gun in these people’s hands was the CIA.”

More than 1,000 Hmong showed up for Pao’s release to house arrest after community members posted his bail. They celebrated by tossing confetti, which rained down on the old general in a wheelchair.

Some think the case could be too embarrassing and won’t get very far. When does an American freedom fighter become an American terrorist? In the current political climate, this may be a question the government won’t want asked.

After all, the U.S. gave birth to the defendants’ cause. The cause was once an American one. That complex relationship was captured last December, at a Hmong New Year celebration in Sacramento, in a telling photograph. Gen. Pao, wearing a crisp blue suit, sits with a gaunt, 83-year-old man in a black hat and trench coat, a young spy’s attire. It is the Hmong army’s old CIA overseer, Bill Lair. Next to Lair, a white-haired man with glasses leans into the frame. Harrison Jack. He was there peddling bottled water to raise money for the Hmong cause. Each bottle was labeled “Hero water.”

Jessica McBride is a UW-Milwaukee journalism faculty member and columnist for the Waukesha Freeman.


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>> posted by mouama on 10/29/2007 7:50:07 PM
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>> posted by chao khao on 10/29/2007 10:13:19 PM
Thank you for this excellent story. Mr. Tovar was quoted saying that VP... "(was) the undisputed leader of the Hmong population in Laos..." Perhaps he should have noted that many Hmong fought for the Lao Communists and the NVA and that a split in the Hmong developed in the 1940s and 50s with the Hmong Communist personage,Fay Dang, being very influential among many of the Hmong. Also, it is very wise to take Mr. McCoy's comments and his book with a grain of salt as the book is not, in my experience and opinion, not always well documented and he makes some very suspect statements.
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>> posted by Thue Vang on 10/29/2007 10:54:31 PM
I do want to say one thing that the author failed to include. From my research angle and understanding the struggle of the Hmong for the past 32 years, I strongly believe that General Vang Pao truly appreciated the U.S. government, particularly the prosecutor, for nailing him down. Gen. Vang Pao walked the floor of Congress and met with the U.S. State Dept as well as the United Nations in New York to bring a peaceful solution to end the struggle of his fellow Hmong left behind in Laos. The U.S. government and the international community turned a blind eye and ear on the Hmong plight. Because the Laos conflict was a secret war, the U.S. government does not want the American people to know about their dirty operation in violation of the 1962 Geneva Accord. Gen. Vang Pao is thankful of the U.S. government, especially the prosecutor and the ATF, for prosecuting him. As the trail goes to court, the American people will FINALLY get educated about the loyalty, services and sacrifices Gen. Vang Pao and the Hmong made to America during her darkest day against Communism. I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. And like every closing remark Gen. Vang Pao had made in his public speeches for the past 32 years living in America, "GOD BLESS AMERICA!"
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>> posted by Thue Vang on 10/29/2007 11:09:19 PM
Now a personal comment:
The U.S. Government does not want the American people to know. The untold reason why the court date was postponded to December was all due in hope the cold weather will not draw the Hmong community to peacefully rally in front of the courthouse to draw more media attention. Also, a governmental tool use to nail against the defendants by delaying the judicial process so that media interest would die down. The government is fearful of the media simply because they do not want the American people to know about the embarassing mistakes they've made to General Vang Pao and the Hmong. HONOR YOUR WAR HEROES, DON'T JAIL THEM.
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>> posted by Cher Vang on 10/30/2007 12:33:09 AM
General Vang Pao had overestimate himself, just because he had helped the U.S once that does't mean he can play anything he likes in this country. If this country still turn blind eyes on VP and his gang because of his proud glory past serving his master the CIA then this country can not call itself as world leading democracy. I don't know much about politics and the so called "genocide" claim by VP, however VP used genocide against Hmong as his political stand for his own interest was not a very bold move. The U.S and U.N are not fools, they probably knew the situation in Laos better than VP and his people that's why they did't do anyting for the past 30 yrs. His wild claims were not reasonable enough to convince the U.S and U.N to take any sanction against LPDR. VP was desperate so he has to make a move, his desperate move had labeled Hmong as "Terrorist". Nice move General.
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>> posted by Prachao America on 10/30/2007 1:06:28 AM
Great Story. I wonder how much the LPDR paying McCoy to creat this mess.
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>> posted by Kou Xiong on 10/30/2007 1:14:03 AM
Thank you for everyone comments, I really proud of them. I am happy that they have good sucessful for their future. I really appericate that everyone will have development and how to respect their work hard. Also we thank you everyone also you will learn how to understand about basically that one of those great. We respect all the Laotian people are who different culture also we respect Laotian people and Hmong people. We honor of all their hertiage too. Thank you for your suppoting with Vang Pao. Also God Bless you and your family, amen. Here you are safe live forever!


Respectfully,
Kou Xiong
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>> posted by Ted Vang on 10/30/2007 2:30:14 AM
The article was well written based on facts and available documented information. The arrest and unnecessary persecution of Gen. Vang Pao,and the Hmong for plotting the overthrow of communists in Laos is nothing more than usual business of the CIA and U.S. government when dealing with others out side their comfort zone. In the wake of the American withdrawal from Laos and Vietnam, the politics was openly considered a geopolitical goat rope and selective memory loss and denial became policy. The 30,000+ Hmong who assisted the Americans with blood and unbridled loyalty were discarded like an unwanted poker hand and used like a tissue and thrown away to the wind. I don't know what else to think or to say, but hope that all of us (half generation Hmong and 2nd, 3rd and the next U.S. Hmong) will find some way to live peacefully in the U.S. As a half generation, which means I was born in Laos, grew up in Thailand, and of course grew old in the U.S. with limited English ability as you can see, U.S. is the only country that ever existed in my world. It's the only country that allows me and my family to live, to breath, and to feel as a normal human being. I love the U.S.A. However, I'll never forget where I came from nor dispect those who have paved a way for me and thousands of Hmong to find freedom in the U.S. I pray that the U.S. government will find a peaceful solution to resolve the V.P. issue and also slowly, but gradually pressure the communist Laos government to change their brutal tactics and treatment of Hmong. As long as north Vientnam dictator is still involve in Laos' politics, Hmong and Lao in Laos will never find peace and the battle among them will goes on for many more decades. U.S. has the ability to influent that particular region then and so is now. No need to shed blood to resolve this conflict, and absalutely no need to discredit V.P. for U.S. failures.
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>> posted by Thuas los yeej yogHmong on 10/30/2007 2:30:46 AM
General Vang Pao had overestimate himself,just because he had helped the U.S once that doesn't mean he can play anything he likes in this country. I don't know much about politics and the so called "genocide" claim by VP, however VP used genocide against Hmong as his politcal stand for his own interest was not a very bold move.
You know what? If i were you, i would think twice before i said anything. He was your leader, your King, your father, your everything. If you really hate your own leader and your own people like that, go and find the race that want to be with. Also if you don't know that there still genocide going on against the Hmong in Laos, go and ask your parent about it. UA RAUG! HMOOB TSIS HLUB HMOOB,LEEJ THAUM YUAV HLUB HMOOB?
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>> posted by ST Xiong on 10/30/2007 5:42:26 AM
I think we should be thankful for VP, cause he is the real leader, but he need to understand the law of the US too, so lets help each other peb hmoob thiaj li muaj kev vam meej mog everyone
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>> posted by Bruce on 10/30/2007 11:16:37 AM
Most of you don't know how those Hmong, who are still hiding in the jungles of Laos, have been through right now. What they are going through now is a lot worst than being in hell. I have families, who are still hiding in the jungles of Laos now, and I know exactly what hell is all about. Every day when I think of my families I am a heart breaking cuz I am helpless to them. All I can do to them is just keep on praying. On the other hand, I pray for the Iraqi people, and hope that the US will not abandon them in the same way as they did to the Hmong people. As the whole world see what is going on in Iraq right now, the result of this war will end in the same way as the screte war that dragged hundred of Hmong lives to scrafice for one American's life. In my openion, we have no value to the American people regardless what we have done for them. All we have to do just keep moving on to our lives and love one another in the direction of GOD. God bless you all my fellow Hmong.
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>> posted by Hmong Lao on 10/30/2007 11:39:48 AM
I tell you that United States had betrayed us. We had helped them not just in freedom, but human lives. We lost hundred men just to rescue a down American pilot. That is my father told me when I was ten. We believed that American is our god father. My parents and family were prosecute and killed by the Communist because my father was working and helping the U. S. The people in the jungle were killed because they helped American for war in Laos that was run by CIA. What Vang Pao did is to help those people out of the jungle Laos. We can not do anything to harm the government of Laos. If Vang Pao can do, we will not fly from Laos in 1975 and let country for the Communist to govern. Laos does not benefit us. We can not change Laos because we are minority in Laos. Let tell our children that this is our country. We should work hard in term of pplitic,economy,education, etc. There will be justice for the 11 men.
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>> posted by tong vang on 10/30/2007 12:13:07 PM
Genocide? I don't know what to say but there are alot of Hmong people in Laos. Is genocide means extinction of an particular ethnic people? how come there are many Hmong in Laos? From what I'v seen, I think that Vang Pao play "Genocide against Hmong" as his political point. I don't support communist but using genocide against Hmong as political tools is non-sense to me too. Those that got kill in the jungle probably CHao Fa, Chao Fa are bad people, I don't support them, they shoot civilians and tourist buses, they shoot student kill innocent people and they bomb civilians target. To me they are more like terrorist than freedom fighters.
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>> posted by Kham La Phamvongsa on 10/30/2007 12:17:02 PM
Watch Who you Trust! Well explain about the Laotiane Who trusting foreigner friends, especially anyone who trusting American. The Hmong were not born to hate their own brother and sisters. American brainwash some of Hmong so call Freedom Lover to hate their own country and their people (Laotiane). At First, many Laotiane thought American wants to help protecting Lao from the communist and the Royal Family. This proof Who American really are.. Help Vietnam take over Laos piece by piece. Brainwash Pathet Lao to Kill the Royale family. Supplies Viet Minh Chemical Weapon to hunted down Hmong and other minorities in the Jungle of Laos... Wake Up my brother and Sisters... Watch Who You Trust... Guarantee you will be betray.
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>> posted by Hmong on 10/30/2007 12:17:26 PM
I love the Hmong people and they love Gen. Vang Pao. We support him doesn't matter what happen. I willing to die my Gen. Vang Pao.
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>> posted by Freedom Fighter on 10/30/2007 1:49:17 PM
US government is a snake. It bites you after feeding him. When US government is done with you, they turn their back on you and then kill you. This is how terrorism is created and grown through out the world. America is the root of the problems through out the world. They send the CIA agents to every country and create problems.
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>> posted by defense on 10/30/2007 2:38:52 PM
This case is being tried in the newsroom now? Obviously, meetings with reporters and waving all your rights to a fair trial in the judicial system is NOT a strategy contemplated by Lo Cha Thao's attorney? Or, is this THE STRATEGY for Lo Cha Thao to get out of jail before the trial ever begins? Something is going on here. There ought to be a news story about how the news story came to be, and how that affects or does not affect the upcoming trial. You all will notice that NONE of the other defendants granted interviews to Ms. McBride...especially Gen. Vang Pao. Why not? There's a huge gaping hole in this story...which is...the rest of the story, all 10 other ones. There needs to be a full explanation, including any disclaimers, for this story from the top decision makers (editors and publisher)of the Milwaukee Magazine. If I were an attorney for Lo Cha Thao or the U.S. government, and this type of article is serving as a front for sabatoging my client's case...I will drag in the reporter and the magazine as witnesses and make them part of the legal case.
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>> posted by Crush on 10/30/2007 3:42:22 PM
What did the U.S do to their best allies such
as the king of Iran, President Marcos, General Oriega, Bin Ladden and finally General Vang Pao. Most of the U.S allies now
turn their back on the U.S. Iran held 52 americans hostages, Philippines kicked the U.S naval out of philippine and then 9-11 by
Bin Laddin. I don't know about Iraq yet. May
be the U.S will bring a couple millions Iraqi
refugees to this country soon.
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>> posted by Peter Xiong on 10/30/2007 3:59:43 PM
Vang Pao creates his own problem. He is a U.S. Citizen and he should respect the rules of laws of this country. Pao is not above the laws, even the president of the United and the Supreme Court are still under laws.
So, his behavior by trying to overthrow another country which he no longer citizened with is clearly violation of the laws. Good thing that VP is in the U.S., so he was able to hire lawyer to get him out of jail awaiting for his trial. If VP and his cronies are in Laos, Thailand, and even any country beside the U.S., they would be finished instantly.

On the other hand, this is not Hmong's problem. It is only VP and his Neohom group's problem. Hmong should not take any responsibility on this issue.
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>> posted by Cobra on 10/30/2007 4:46:23 PM
Guys, don't be so proud that you are now American citizens and expect the white would care and treat you the same as the white treat their own people. If the Hmong in Laos who are being mistreated, hunted and killed like animals are white people, US would have already invaded and overthrown the Lao communist government. Look! now a-days, the US government is still concerned about getting a piece of the bones of their very few American soldiers who were shot and killed during the vietnam war over 30 years ago. Even just only a piece of the bone, they still spend millions of dollars searching to get the bones back. You see how much the white love their own people. We sacrificed at least 5-10 lives to rescue one American and they just don't really appreciate us. There are more than 10 hmong-american citizens who went to Laos and were missed there or just disappeared in Laos but the US government just does not care and does not do anything. If these people were whites, Laos is already in deep trouble. These are some the examples telling us what kind of game the US government or the white play. They are not stupid snakes. They bite and poison you slowly from the bottom of your heart...they bite from inside...not from outside. Don't be so proud of yourself. You need at least turn your eyes and ears to look at and listen to your own people and show a little sympathy, love and care for your own people.
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>> posted by Saeng on 10/30/2007 5:46:40 PM
It was just a US scenario to beg LPDR and VIETNAM collaboration in its geopolitical trategy against China!
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>> posted by Wang G Thao on 10/30/2007 6:07:56 PM
Sabaidee phinong,
As a hmong I'm very shameful. Why you guy love to create problems? Laos is belong to Laotian OK!!!!!
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>> posted by Free Chai Vang on 10/30/2007 9:11:35 PM
When was it wrong in the US to plan to overthrow a communist government?
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>> posted by Unknowntribe on 10/30/2007 10:03:50 PM
I don't think that the US gives a ***** if the bad guys in Laos go to hell but US just wanted to save face. If VP was successful carrying out the mission, the world will point fingers at the US. The parents usually are more harsh toward their own children than those not theirs. VP had the right approach but went about the wrong way. There are other ways...and someone else will carry it out sooner or later.
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>> posted by Tsis Nhias Wang on 10/30/2007 10:55:39 PM
How come nobody has mentioned that Neo Hom and 18 clan has raised funds to build a school in Thailand??
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>> posted by ChongChue on 10/30/2007 10:59:53 PM
In my aching heart I would like to reveal what US did to us in the Vietnam War. First we did not want to involve in the Vietnam War even we were assured by Bill Lair at Padong that US would ensure our safety, we still shunned the recruitment but our village was located between Mount Phatid where US Radar was located and the Vietnam border, a few km to the Ho chi Hinh Trail. One day our village was flattened by four US war planes killing 40 people including my mother. Subsequently the Vietcong soldiers came and turned their muzzles directly to our civilians and burnt our resources into ash because the Vietcong knew that the Hmong were loyal to the US. Once our sources of food were all destroyed and we migrated out of our territory, every one was in the utmost of hunger, the US took this opportunity to recruit us by using food as coercion by using the no joining the war no food distribution. Many families who did not have suitable persons to join the fight went back to their villages to look for food but never heard from. We were at our wits end because our young children were dying from hunger so we had no choice but to join the US in order to get food supply for our kids. In this case so many young children and old men were coerced to join in order to get food for their families. When the troops sent to block the Ho chi Minh Trail were truncating more soldiers were needed to replace but all the suitable people were nearly gone. So some young kids as young as 12 years were convinced to just wash the army clothes to get the food supply but once they joined, they were put straight to fight because the Vietcong advancing was in a massive number. Many young kids were easily killed in the fight. I was one of the survivors when the US Radar on Mt Phatid was destroyed and killing 20 Americans.
I would like you readers to put your heads in our shoes and think.
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>> posted by Tai Mai Shu on 10/30/2007 11:04:24 PM
General Vang Pao and his gang should be pardoned by the president, whomever she may be =). This is all a big misunderstanding. Hmong people are still being used as pawns to fight communist Laos-very sad indeed. America should do it's own dirty work.

See you at forum at www.pebhmong.com
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>> posted by Xat Lao Quon Lao on 10/31/2007 12:03:31 AM
When will the Hmong people ever learn that this was never their fight to begin with. They are just like the kurds, or the many other small minorities big powers use to fight their fight.

The Hmong have brought this upon themselves, they are the ones who brought the americans into Laos and caused this drama. The Hmong hidden in the jungles of Laos are terrorist! Wake up people, the war has been over 30 years ago! Lets move on!

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>> posted by Kashie Chang on 10/31/2007 12:09:25 AM
Indeed, I truly beleive that we have made the lives of our fellow Hmong in Lao far more worse than it should be. We cannot continue to kiss the white mans ass any longer, we have to understand that we are not their people our skin color. We need to learn to join forces with the Lao and live in peace with the Lao people.

We have always betrayed our country and i time to have a change of heart
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>> posted by ben cha on 10/31/2007 12:12:00 AM
Gen. Vang Pao is not my leader, he is a criminal! He is making our lives MISERABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE IS NO GENOCIDE IN LAOS!!! WAKE UP MY FELLOW HMONG, WE ARE BEING TRICKED BY GVP FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH AGENDA SO THEY CAN HAVE MORE POWER!!!
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>> posted by Hmong America on 10/31/2007 12:47:20 AM
As a Hmong-American, a US citizen, I felt guilty for having a sense of joy after learning that the 9-11 attackers were anti-American. There is no doubt that what they did was a terrible thing, but then how is it different from what the American did to us, the Hmong? Knowing that the our fathers and grand-fathers were not sophisticated people, the US tricked them into fighting a war it created. But when the US no longer need them, what the Hmong got in return was a trip to hell. As a young boy, I still remember how we got chase around in the jungle like animals by the communist soldiers for three (3) straight years (from 1975 to 1978), after the US abandoned the Hmong. When we finally got into Thailand, we were put into a temporary camp next to the Mengkong River. Every night we would hear gun shots from the other side of the river. In the morning, we would see dead bodies floating along the river bank. Those were dead Hmong bodies who had tried to cross into Thailand and got shot by the Laos border patrols. I get really sick in my stomach when I hear other ignorance Hmong saying we should be loyal and greatful for the US for bringing us over here. The truth is we were not brought into this country because of what our fathers and grand-fathers had done for the US, but because were simply refugee. We're no different from any other group of refugees, such as, Russian, Romanian, Haitian, who had sacrafied nothing for the US.
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>> posted by Hmong Son on 10/31/2007 8:29:58 AM
We are the OX and Water buffalo of the American International scene. We carry their food, hold their guns, make bed for them, show them where to get good prostitute when they are horny, shown them where to buy the cheapest opium sell to the heroin trader, grab their butt of the mosquito forest when they get shot down. We Hmong should be tired by now. It's time to give up on the DemonCrap stuff and move on to the CommuniExist with the LAOTIAN population. If we were to be an OX and Horses to the Red Lao things might have gotten better. Thank you for reading!
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>> posted by johnnywangi on 10/31/2007 9:12:12 AM
Wow!! I just know now you hmong people critize all people of the world now you critize USA Government. You think your name Hmong means Free? It is not true, Hmong Means strangers.
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>> posted by True Democracy on 10/31/2007 9:47:09 AM
Praya Norapamock General Vang Pao is a true leader who strong stand for freedom and democracy. The Bush Administration and US congress creat the Patriot Act to protect communist and dictatorship regime like Lao People Democratic Republic (PDR) communist that disallow freedom of religion, press, assembly and human right. Patriot Act need to fix to support those who fight for freedom and democracy.
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>> posted by True Democracy on 10/31/2007 9:56:57 AM
Hmong American in US need to become one voice and form a coalition to prepare for this coming election to vote for the US President who stand truly defense freedom and democracy. We can make a diferent to win US President in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and California, and work hard with other group who really believe in true democracy and freedom. "United We Stand, Divide We Fall"
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>> posted by Taiwan on 10/31/2007 10:10:42 AM
To Johnywangi you might live in mailand China or other communist country that do not know freedom mean. In USA you can voice you voice and openion. Hmong people is sufer from China to Laos, Thailand, Vientnam and USA. Hmong in Laos, China,Vietnam, and Thailand still not able to voice their voice and openion. Only Hmong in USA can voice their voice and enjoy the freedom living.Hmong Mean Human Being and "Free" because Hmong name or the word Hmong only being reconize when Hmong came to live in the United States of America. The Laotian call Hmong as "Meo" mean Cat, The Chinese call Hmong "Miao" mean good soil or barbaria.
Thank you for the American people who reconized the Hmong mean Hmong people as Human being like American or Chinese.
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>> posted by freedom fighter on 10/31/2007 10:38:37 AM
This to McCoy, he should quit his job and shut his mouth. If he can't shut it, then we are going to put a lot of ***** in his mouth.
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>> posted by Noname on 10/31/2007 11:19:23 AM
To JONNY WANGI. Koj puas yog hmoob phev nab yawg. Uas cas pheej muab yus haiv neeg coj mus rhuav rau ntaijteb neeg no paub. Peb yeej
paub zoo dua koj tias lolus hmoob yog tus qhua los yog stranger li koj hais lomav, tabsis peb tsis xav rhuav yus hais neeg swbno. Zoo likoj ces ntxais qau amelikas es tuag mus zoo dua ua ib tug hmoob nyob nyav av
xwb.
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>> posted by Vang on 10/31/2007 11:22:07 AM
What ever we said is what our opinion. The best way for us as Hmong. We have to joint to gether as one. We must agianst what is wrong with Hmong. We need to get together and talk about the issue. We should not just said and not taking action. Remember the VP problem and other as terrorist are Hmong problem. No matter what the world and United States are ready lebel Hmong as terrorist. Even we are not terrors, and we have not jointed any terrorist organization. You are Hmong you can escape this problem even you are in China, Laos, Vietnam, United States, etc. You are Hmong. Please do not betray Hmong. What Vang Pao did in the past is to benifit Hmong. What he did is to solve Hmong problem. What our leaders did in the past, even in China, Laos, Vietnam, etc. is for the benefit of Hmong as a whole. We should sit down and solve this problem, not just say like you say and betray your own people.
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>> posted by Ger Vang on 10/31/2007 12:15:25 PM
Thanks to Locha Thao and the other 10 Defendants for going through the darkness time and now, the U.S Government is ashamed of what they've been hiding for so long. There's is good and bad in this article but we will learn from the mistake and worship the goods. God Bless the Hmong fighting for Democracy.
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>> posted by david khampang on 10/31/2007 12:18:40 PM
"The Laotian call Hmong as "Meo" mean Cat, The Chinese call Hmong "Miao" mean good soil or barbaria."

Allow me to free you from your ingnorance and you unintelligent act of speaking TOO FAST! Lao people do not call Hmong "CAT" the Lao word for Hmong people is of the same definition and rooted from the Chinese word Miao. Vietnamese also call Hmong Miao, Thai also call Hmong Miao but why is it when the Lao call Hmong Miao it means cat???

I suggest you school yourself in linguistics and history before you utter nonsense in this way. It can be dangerous...
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>> posted by bao yang on 10/31/2007 12:27:26 PM
This is another sad chapter in our Hmong history book. We are on the RUN again, and I trully beleive that we made a huge mistake to side with the Americans in Laos as to taking a neutral stance. The continueing of the war that has ended 30 years ago in hopes of creating a Hmong dominated Laos is even SCARIER! As smart as we are it is always these delussional moves that puts us on the "RUN" again!

Oh, last but not least, I have never beleived that their was a genocide of our people in Laos. I was there last year and spoke to many of my relatives and they knew nothing of it. But what I do beleive is that their are Hmongs loyal to GVP that are being hunted down. What government in the world would aloow such group to exist in their country?
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>> posted by jenny on 10/31/2007 12:32:30 PM
The Americans are telling us it is OVER. They are no longer on our side, we can no longer use the Vietnam era against them to benefit our agendas. This is the ultimate slap in the face AGAIN! We should had stayed loyal to our yellow race, the white man is not our friend. 10 Hmong lives does not even equal to 1 American soldier.
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>> posted by Sisouk Salaohuakhamg on 10/31/2007 2:11:31 PM
To Mr. David Khambang this is a true story that Hmong came to live in Laos over 100 years the Laotian call Hmong Meo...since Hmong move from China to Laos. Hmong never accept the word Meo..this is discrimanistion and racism from the mayority Lao people until Hmong came to USA that the Hmong name as Hmong is reconized after 1975. So now the Lao PDR and Thai govt follow the USA call Hmong, but some Laotian and Thai still call Meo today. You are the one need to go back to school a learn how to love human being.
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>> posted by Mother in Sacramento on 10/31/2007 2:37:26 PM
Everything is not black or white. And, please, lets not argue over petty things like what Hmong actually stands for. It stands for whatever you want it to. Though it may be hard for some to understand or believe, there are innocent Hmong people dying in Laos. It doesn't even matter to me right now how that came to be. What haunts me is the images of young children starving and dying and never knowing what it means to be safe.

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>> posted by Hmong must love hmong on 10/31/2007 2:38:40 PM
Those who do not believe there is genocide in Laos and hmong are being mistreated, hunted and killed animals, you need to go to the area and see for yourself. You know nothing if you just stay or live in the city. The brutal Lao communist government is very good at cover up everything... controlling the bad news. They always have an attitude of denying and cover up what they have done bad to citizens. If you do not know and understand the communist propaganda, you are not man.
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>> posted by David on 10/31/2007 3:34:29 PM
"To Mr. David Khambang this is a true story that Hmong came to live in Laos over 100 years the Laotian call Hmong Meo...since Hmong move from China to Laos. Hmong never accept the word Meo.."

Dear Sir, I am assuming that you are not fluent in the Lao language to differentiate between the "6 tones" in Lao language. Miao2 and Maew1 are clearly 2 different words with two different meanings. They are not cognate.

The meaning of Miao in the Lao language is just Miao, there is no derrogatary definition to it in Lao. Maew-cat is said differently from Miao. Maew is also not a bad word in Lao language. Lao people along with most east asians have always know the Hmong as Miao.

I call the Miao in Laos "Hmong" and the Miao in China "Miao". Miao in China find it insulting to call them Hmong and Hmong find it derrogatory to be called Miao, please understand the outsiders confusion because it contradicts itself.

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>> posted by bao yang on 10/31/2007 3:44:46 PM
...Those who do not believe there is genocide in Laos and hmong are being mistreated, hunted and killed animals, you need to go to the area and see for yourself...

Have you ever asked yourself why 95 percent of our Hmong population in Laos is not being persecuted but the ones hidden in the jungles are singled out? You cannot convince me that GENOCIDE is the proper terminology to apply to this situation. Our socalled general is responsible for this. He cannot continue to use precious Hmong lives as pawns anymore, he is the true string puller! Is 30 years not enough for us to move on? Do you understand that it was documented that GVP was going to mobilise the remianing SOLDIERS hidden in the jungle to attack the LPDR? I am not convinced my friend, if we want to fight this war we need to let the children and women leave and lets fight on our own time.
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>> posted by 3rd party on 10/31/2007 3:45:42 PM
To Bao Yang:

I'd like for you to go live among them. Please be real. Always love your people first even if you disagree.

Where is the transparency? Where is the 3rd party to oversee the Hmong situation either in Thailand or in Lao? If Lao is smart they would let the UN or a 3rd party in to fix the problem. This Hmong problem would have gone silent 30 years ago. Thanks but no thanks Miss Bao to your ignorance. Next time don't just ask around. Go see for yourself and put yourself in their shoes. Do you know that Thailand and Lao is using Hmong as a trade status? Lao is so afraid of a Hmong refugee because the world is watching them due to their call to exterminate the Hmong. Lao will be in a lot of trouble if this is the case. Thailand on the other hand is hunger for lands and electricity and the new coming of a new Isan.
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>> posted by Hmong America on 10/31/2007 4:11:27 PM
Vang Pao had never been a truth Hmong leader, that is, someone who was elected by the Hmong to lead the Hmong. He was merely a puppet military general installed by the US to serve its own agenda. With his absolute military power, he forced the Hmong to choose side-either with him or against him. This is a proven fact. It was because of his short sight (for siding with the American) and power hungry (forcing the Hmong to serve his cause) that brought us to our knees. Had the Hmong stayed neutral like any other minority groups in Laos, we wouldn't have lost most of the young Hmong population during the Vietnam war, and we wouldn't have been labeled as enemy number one by the Lao government. I get angry at the US when I think of all the suffering we have been through. But I realize that ultimately we should blame our fathers, grand-fathers, and leader, such as, Vang Pao, for our suffering. It was because of their lack of education, sophistication, and vision that enable the US to come in and en-slaved our people. It's time for us to sit down together and figure out what we really want for our people and elect an able leader who will carry that vision for us.
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>> posted by Mr2 on 10/31/2007 5:07:34 PM
Love to be Hmong...we will win
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>> posted by Real hmoob on 10/31/2007 6:37:05 PM
To: ALL POSTERS WHO AGAINST VP.

I want to ask all of you that before coming to this country everyone have to swear and agree that they have fought for the CIA under
general Vang Pao command. If any of you are not agree with me then you guys and your relatives must be illegal immigrants as the Latino so we will ask the INS to recheck you status. If you are not run away of fearing prosecut by the lao commuinist regime then the INS should deport you back to Laos. O.K?
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>> posted by san jose on 10/31/2007 7:20:54 PM
Love to be Hmong...we will win--

What are we going to win?
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>> posted by Hmong America on 10/31/2007 10:45:07 PM
To Real Hmoob:

What's your point? No one is disputing the fact that the Hmong were being used by the US to do its dirty work, under GVP's command. That's why we were being hunted like animals in the jungle by the new Lao government. Even after all the sacrify we made, the US treated us no different from any other refugee groups. The fact that we had to go through all of those BS swearing and screening process just so we could come to the United States was an insult. And now, we are being labeled as terrorists under the new and stupid Patriot Act. The point some of us are making here is that it's time for the Hmong to rise up and find a real leader with a brain, who truely cares about improving our lives, as compare to the current leader whose agenda has been to pawn the Hmong for his political and financial gain year after year.
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>> posted by dang on 11/1/2007 12:24:45 AM
McCoy is trying to get attention by bitting Vang Pao and the Hmong. I'm making sure non of my children will sit in his class. Hmong who are against Hmong are doing so for political purpose. We all need to wake up and use our brain.
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>> posted by Hmong Vang on 11/1/2007 12:56:37 AM
To Hmong America you are absolutely right about Vang Pao. THe U.S gave him the rank "general" and power to served as its servant puppet, then Vang pao claim himself as Hmong leader, but we Hmong have never elected him as our leader. When Vang Pao dragged Hmong into the war, It was not for us to get the chance to come to U.S. It was for money and Power, he did not sign contract with the CIA to take Hmong to the U.S regardless of the outcome of the war. We are here today because of the Vietnamese and Pathet Lao defeat the emperolist U.S. If it wasn't for the vietnamese and Pathet Lao then we would be still be in Laos and enslave by Vang Pao and his Master the U.ASS.of.A. Thanks to the Vietnamese and Pathetlao.
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>> posted by observer on 11/1/2007 3:58:52 AM
The Hmong has no treaty to stand on. They have no border and boundary and so they become a lost cause. These people who have helped us so much and have lost so much are now being abandoned. They are tossed around as if they are a bargaining chip. First, they served the French then the American. Now, 8,000 plus Hmong refugee (the Thai and Lao call them illegal immigrants) are stranded in northern Thailand, Phetchabun Province because they are lableled as terrorists due to our very own Patriot Act. Thailand and Laos seek this opportunity and see this fit (as bargaining chip) to their best interest. However, I see this as: you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. What they have miss calculate is that the international communities are watching their game plan and it's sending a chilling effect, so for now, the deportation of these 8,000 plus refugee has come to a halt. To undue the damage and the pressure, the one party of Laos has decided to deal Thailand with a card containing the border security act and the trade act. In return, Thailand will get land in Laos for planting ad timber as well as electricity. The biggest bargain Thailand will gain is Isan will be stabilized. Laos, on the other hand, will save face. The atrocity in the jungles for the last 30 years plus to the Hmong and the 8,000 plus refugee will be wiped out from the face of the communist Lao as if nothing has happened. Laos will be freed of her actions against the Hmong and continue business as usual. The Hmong will continue to be hunted like animal.

The eleven arrested in your article came to mind because this abandonment and how these people are let out to dry in the sun. The Hmong has conveyed many times that there is human violation in the jungles of Laos and the US must intervene. However, all is fall in deaf ears in the hall of the US congress. The French and the American have an obligation in whatever form to help these people. The American has shown her beauty once, let's show them once again that we stand by them. The trial of the eleven will certainly touch on these and many other hot buttons. Let this be heard so the whole world and the American people will understand how much involved we were with our Hmong friend in the so called, our little "secret war" in Laos. One has to ask: why do our freedom fighters have to go to an American courtroom when they have sacrificed so much lives to our causes in South East Asia? Thirty thousand plus Hmong have perished in this conflict for what reason. This is to dehumanize the Hmong? This is to entrap the Hmong? This is to say to the Hmong, you are of no use to us anymore? These are questions only the US government can answer. The whole world is waiting for, especially the so call American friend around the globe who stands by to defend our interest and freedom. Will this great US friend of ours turn her back someday?

The American owes the Hmong so much and so little is heard of them. We ought to write them in our history book. This will be our treaty to them.
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>> posted by jame Vang on 11/1/2007 6:58:07 AM
TO MR. HMONG VANG AND ALL OTHERS WHO OPPOSED VANG PAO.

DOESN'T MATER HE WAS ELECTED BY HMONG OR NOT BUT HE HAD DONE A LOT GOOD THINGS FOR HMONG SINCE HE BEGUN RANKED HIS GENERAL. IF, YOU THINK HE NOT SUITABLE TO BE HMONG LEADER, DO YOU HAVE A BETTER ONE THAN HIM, OR YOU CLAIM TO BE A HMONG LEADER MR. STUPID HMONG VANG.

I DON'T CARE WHOEVER HE IS, HOW HE CAME FROM, AND YOU LIKE HIM OR NOT. HE ALWAY RECPECTFULLY FROM THE MAJORITY OF HMONG.

HE MIGHT HAD MADE SOME MISTAKE BUT HIS GOOD GLORY BETTER THAN SOME ONE LIKE YOU WHO CLAIM TO BE A NEW HMONG LEADER BUT HAVEN'T DONE NOTHING TO THE HMONG.

WE KNOW ABOUT OUR HISTRY. YES, HE DRAGGED HMONG INTO WAR BECAUSE MONEY AND POWER. BUT WITHOUT HIM, DO YOU THINK WHAT CONSEQUENCE ELSE HMONG WOULD FACED TO THE LAOTIAN, VIETCON AND AMERICAN DURRING THAT TIME. YOU NEED TO KNOW YOUR OWN HISTORY ABOUT BEFORE VP. BECAME GENERAL, THE HMONG WENT TO A CHIEF OF A LAOTAIN VILLEGER HOUSE. HMONG MUST KNEED DOWN AND CRAWLED FROM THE DOOR TO THE VILLEGER CHIEF.

I THING WHOEVER POSETED THIER COMMENT TO THIS SITE
TO OPPOSE HIM ARE NOT REALLY REAL HMONG BLOOD OR HMONG BRAIN.

YOU GUYS MUST BE SON OF MIXED BLACK,
LAOTIAN, THAI, VIETNAMESE OR YOUR FATHER WAS A MIX SPERM FROM UNKNOWN HUMAN WHICH NOT REALLY HMONG. IF, YOU ARE REAL HMONG, WE BOTH ARE VERY STUPID BY ARGUING ON THIS SITE TO OUTSIDER TO SEE
HMONG FIGHTING ON EACH OTHER WHEN HMONG FACING A CRISIS.

I KNOW THIS IS WORLD WIDE WEB MEAN A LOTS OF OUTSIDER WATCHING US BLAMING EACH OTHERS AS IDIOT. I ALSO KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU NOT REALLY HMONG. YOU TRIED TO USE A HMONG NAME AND MADE US CONFUSE EACH OTHER. BUT, SOME ARE REALY KIND OF
MIX SPERM.

HMONG ARE A VERY SMALL ETHNIC GROUP ON EARTH, BUT HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTIC AND BRAIN. THIS FACT MADE HMONG OPTAIN A GREAT UNCOOPERATIVE HARBIT EVER SINCE THE GREAT HMONG
WARRIOR BACK IN CHINA TO LOSE WAR WITH THE CHINESE AND FLED A LONG JOUNEY FROM MONGOLIA TO CHINA THEN FINALLY TO HERE.

WHERE ELSE COULD WE GO, IF WE STILL ACTING LIKE WE ARE MIX SEMEM?

JAME VANG
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>> posted by Lao2blao on 11/1/2007 7:13:35 AM
I am sick in stomach after reading this article. Thanks for this. Hmong people are angry, frustrated to US Gov. because Vang Pao and his gang were arrested. My question is : This time is Vang Pao asking US Gov. for help nor US Gov. is asking Vang Pao to do something for them? Buying lethal weapons to kill other nation's people is an act of Terrorist. Ever since this incident, they (Hmong) always critize US Gov. about betrayed them saying Hmong helped US in Laos. I appreciate and praise the US Gov. for giving us land to call Home, food to eat, welfare money to spend, equal right and freedom as athers do. What else do we want more? Don't you know, US was defeated the Vietnam War. Not only Hmong people had to leave Laos once called Home. Lao people (some) had to do too. US couldn't do anything much like before, even former Lao Gov. We were the losers. Hmong people left in Laos these days are waiting for Vang Pao to go to rescue them which is NEVER, EVER going to happen. They refuse to come out to surrender and live as normal like some did. They are armed and dangerous. They shoot, kill and rob passengers or tourists in the cars, vans or buses on the roads in northen part of Lao. They are slowing down the development or constrution in Laos. Plus, for those in Thailand, Thai Gov. doesn't want them in its soil. For those in 3rd country, they are divided and have feeling hatred toward Lao People. I thank and praise the ATF and Federal authority for their honest and hard work in foiling this plot before it happened. I can image how many innocent Lao people will die, how the historic buildings which Lao people built many 100 years will crumble down if this is carried out. My fello Lao, this is the wake up call for us. If they need some country to run, go somewhere else, just leave Laos alone. Laos to be Laos.
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>> posted by Ncaj on 11/1/2007 9:20:35 AM
No matter who oppose Praya Norapamock General Vang Pao. He is a true leader of the Hmong and the world. This time I agree with Dr. Yang Dao qouet "Pao was shot by an assassin; Pao survived a plane crash; Pao didn't fear death;Pao was the savior of the Hmong people. He was many times shot, he became know as the George Washington of the Hmong" I agree with Dr. Yang Dao this time. I also proud that Dr. Yang Dao have a positive vision to the true Hmong leader and Hmong Father. It is SAD for a person who did not know about Hmong and writing negative about Hmong like Professor NAZI McCoy. Mr. McCoy please stop talking about Hmong which is no your interest and your F--king business. Hmong Yuav Tsum Hlub Hmong!!!
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>> posted by Phoumi on 11/1/2007 10:29:53 AM
To Lao2bLao:

Over 30 year Lao people had sufer, it is time to change...
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>> posted by Vang on 11/1/2007 11:18:21 AM
To those guys who post that Hmong in the jungle of Laos had killed civilian innocent human and destructed Laos. It is not true. People in the jungle had not done those things. What happen is that the government of Laos tried to put trap for the Hmong in the jungle. The government of Laos never have evidence to prove of those killings. We have not destroyed any building and killed any innocent human in Laos since the Communists control Laos. Only the Communists of Laos hunt us and secrettly prosecuted us not known to the world until these days. We are the one who love the people of Laos to have freedom, democracy, the right to vote for the right government, economic freedom, the right to send their kids to get education in the country they want, etc. What the government of Laos do is try to get rid of the Hmong in the jungle of Laos so they can take all natural resources from those areas. It is free when they kick the Hmong out. No one bother them from digging all the natural resources. For those guys who agianst General Vang Pao and the people in the jungle of Laos are the guys who try to eliminate all the Hmong in Laos and who support the Communist of Laos. They only bring the false evidence against the Hmong to keep Hmong as terrorist. They are not Hmong. They have not experience what is happening to the Hmong in Laos and in the jungle. I want those guys to live with the Hmong in jungle of Laos for months to see how they feel about the situation in jungle and how the Communists hunt them. I tell you have been living in the jungle of Laos for 8 years and my parents were captur and kille infront of me. The Communists odered to kill me as well because I am a Hmong young man. I see people died. Kids cried and looked for parents. It is fine to say what you want if you are not Hmong, but if you are Hmong some they your words will punish what you have said about Hmong. You agianst Hmong and remember our incestors will punish you some day in the future.
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>> posted by Unknowntribe on 11/1/2007 11:45:00 AM
Lao to be Lao?...you mean Lao to be Vietnamese. Just go to Laos and look around. In say...50 yrs, Laos will be no more.
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>> posted by American-Hmong on 11/1/2007 11:55:26 AM
Friends of all kinds,

Remember that without Dr. Luther King the African-Americans would never win their battle to achieve equality, and without Vang Pao the Hmong-Americans would never step on the land of opportunity. We must remember our true leaders. Many thanks!

Hmong-American
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>> posted by Lao1b lao on 11/1/2007 12:12:13 PM
TO LAO2BLAO
You are dead wrong my friend. Now Laos is just one of the norht vietnam provinces. Laos will disappear from the map of the earth.
Laos is Western Vietnam now. Do you know that? That's why the lao communist killed your lovely king and qeen. You must wake up
and help your people in Laos to kick the vietnamese out of your country if you still want to see Laos to be exist on this planet.
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>> posted by Nite_Chatter on 11/1/2007 12:17:27 PM
Wow, I can see that there are a lot of dogs fighting for a piece of bone here. Clearly Laos doesn't mean anything to the Hmong people. What the Hmong is trying to do right now is to save those Hmong in the jungle of Laos. Laos will be democracy or not, it's up to the Lao and Vietnamese people in Laos. The Hmong in the U.S has a better life now so why should we care so much about Laos. Soon Laos will be controll by China, Vietnam or whoever want a piece of Laos.
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>> posted by Jame Mang on 11/1/2007 12:23:05 PM
To Mr. Lao2blao.
Are you red Laotian or Yellow Laotian. These two type of Laotion are, the Yellow Laotian are the group who fled along to the US with the Hmong people. But, stay comply and ***** day and night without worrying about where the Red Laotion and Vietcon had cut your own King head and used the King spoil body to grow some kind of vegetable for the Red Laotion to each and brain
wash them, so they could forget their own King forever. This system was worked, and It's well done job of the Vietcon and Mr. Kraisorn. Now I can see all both Red and
Yellow Laotian had really forgotten their great King where had he gone.

You are too stupid to know what had happend about this Patriat Act. If, The US government really betrayed VP. then you can laugh, but this if they just playing the game for people arround the world to turn eyes to see
and ears to hear how the PDR of Red Laotian treated their own citizen like animal. You feel pity about your 100 years old building, and forgot your King body stupid. Even the US allow VP to go change the system of PDR now, VP still want to do under your King perspective to help all the fellow Laotion citizens not just the Hmong people.
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>> posted by Txooj ntxawg on 11/1/2007 1:30:33 PM
Kwv tij Hmoob yog vim li cas peb thiab tuaj si ruav hauv tej nov rau neeg ob cag paub nas peb Hmoob. Yog tias sawvdaws muaj tswv yim thiab paub sib hlub no rub rooj zog los zaum es tuav tswv yim, thaum twg peb tau ko tuav lawm mam hais twb tsis lig. Ua cas peb xav xwb txawm siv muab coj los qhav lawm li no peb thiaj tsis muaj hnub vam meej tag.

Xav tias yuav ntsib nej cov nov ib lub caij zoo. Tus yuav hais li cas los muaj tab sis yav tag los peb Hmoob mas nws tso quav tag tsis tim saib xub tw li puas yog?

Txooj ntxawg
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>> posted by Teng Vang from WI on 11/1/2007 1:42:01 PM
To jame Vang


I agree with you that before Vang Pao rised to General Hmong have to knee down to Laos people. I know why many old people respect Vang Pao, it was because Laos was U.S puppet government and the CIA can appointed anyone they like as general, when the US appointed Vang pao as General to use for its purpose lao people didn't like it but can't do anything about it, Hmong finally gained respects and status in lao society. It's kinda like Black will side with any foreigners who invade America and give black status in this countrie during slavery and civil rights. The old Lao regimes, the king of Laos was terrible society. Thanks to the LPDR new policy that give all the minorities in Laos equal right and respects. Minorities in Laos today don't need to have foreigner appoint general to gain respect and status within the laotiane society. Yes Coummunist has its bad time just like the US has its bad time during slaver and civil right. But after 30 yrs Vang Pao still use communism as excuse to kill for his greed and his power,that's is very selfish stupid. I'M SHAME TO BE HMONG, as hmong I don't understand why We still use communism and genocide as excuse for our own greed. If you ask all Hmong in the US if they want to wage war or Bomb LPDR, I would say 80 percent will say NO. Most of us want peace, those got killed in the jungle are Vang Pao's people he use them to play genocide card against LPDR. It's Very bad and selfish indeed. SHAME ON HMONG, I SHAMEFUL TO BE HMONG SERIOUSELY.
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>> posted by downsouthVIET-boy on 11/1/2007 5:11:01 PM
YAL SOME STUPID MONG AND LAOS. WE VIETS RUN THE SHOW! THE MORE YOU RATS FIGHT EACHOTHER THE MORE WE GET TO CONTROL AND TAKE YOUR COUNTRY! FOOLZ!
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>> posted by Crush on 11/1/2007 6:00:22 PM
TO TENG VANG FROM WI.
If you are shamefull to be hmong why bite your own nuts and die sucker!!!!
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>> posted by lee on 11/1/2007 8:31:57 PM
hey!! you guys don't agaist each other please! if you are true hmong leader please come out we need help now,not the time we agaist each others. I ask you guy?without vang pao no body knows who you are in the world you just hiding in the jungle at the high mountain.
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>> posted by American on 11/1/2007 8:45:12 PM
I think downsouthVIETboy is right. Why don't the Hmong and Lao get together and kick the Viets's ass out of Laos.
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>> posted by jong Yong on 11/1/2007 11:06:03 PM
Yes, Mr. VIETBOY you are right,You and Mr. KRAI SORN PLOUM VIHAN could cut The King of Lao head easily becasue
He made a mistake by not listened to Vang Pao. He seems
stupid to mee that's why all his fellow Laotian even more stupid then him. After CIA and VP were out of Lao, you the VIETboy could come to f.... all Laotian girls and wifes.
I have seen more and more mix sperm of Vietcon and Red stupid Laotian kids growing more and more in Laos now.

But, you can f.... Hmong girl, that why you use stupid Laotion to hunted the Hmong.

If, the King had listened to VP. His head would not be touched by You and Mr. Kraisorn. And with or without CIA
VP and the King together with his honest fellow Laotian, We still fighting you over there in Laos, So now you won't had have the chance to f....the Stupid Red Laotion Girls ass.

You can laugh now, because won the war by the mistake the stupid Laotion's father. Hurry, you can f...as many Laotian girls now, because sooner or later you would have no more chance.

HmongUSboy

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>> posted by Seng Xiong on 11/2/2007 12:52:57 AM
Can Lo Cha Thao fight the Laotian Army? Shameful political agenda, better to honor the Vietnam war defeat, and living peaceful solution.
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>> posted by Wam Muas Lauj on 11/2/2007 12:56:13 AM
Cov phooj ywg, Kuv xav tias tiam no nej twb yug los ua Hmoob lawm mus txog qhov twg los Hmoob yuav tsum muaj tus coj, neeg ntiaj teb no thiaj saib taus Peb Hmoob. Es thov peb yuav tsum sis hlub.( Vam muas Lauj )ua tsaug
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>> posted by Seng Xiong on 11/2/2007 1:02:06 AM
Can Lo Cha Thao fight the Laotian army? This is a shameful political agenda, it's better than to honor the Vietnam war defeat and peacefully solution. Genocide is a word to blame the Lao government, better to call for quit.
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>> posted by hmong asmeslivkas on 11/2/2007 2:04:32 AM
to all the hmong who not respect Vang Pao
I think you guy or gal are very smart but never
do anything better than Vang Pao. All you know
only eat,sleep and J.O.B. You even can't
be the head of your house.

thov kom nej mus muab nej niam thiab nej txiv
daim ntawv xam phaj tuaj rau meskas no saib
seb lawv puas teev txog Vaj Pov lub npe rau
hauv, yog tsis muaj no nej tuaj thread other
li nej nawb cov phooj ywg tais maum aw!!!!
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>> posted by jong Yang on 11/2/2007 2:28:58 AM
To the Idiot Seng Xiong.

No man on earth could stand for a single bullet.
Not only Lo Cha himself could fight the Laotian dummy.
Even the US finally lost war because certain reason.

I don't see Laotain has Army, the army is from Vietnam.
What Laotian has is Dead Fish "PA DAD" DUMMY. NOT ARMY. VP. and Lo Cha mission are not to take those weapon to destroy the people of Lao PDR. This is just a game for outsider to see how PDR treat their citizen like animal. This Patrait Act, the Hmong labeled as torrerism so, what and why they did that. Outsider need to findout for the reason and open eye to see, open nose to sniff the smell of "PA DAD" the Dead fish of Laotian mixture.
Anything happen in this world, there must be a reason.
We can't blame Osama for attact the US. We can't neither
blame the US to take over Iraq. But, the reasons, why, how and what is more important.




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>> posted by jong Yang on 11/2/2007 2:40:58 AM
I was dispoint of this mess that has been set too late. Because, Hmong people in Laos already been killed too many.

If, this mess set up erlier, All the innocent Hmong kids would be dead by now. But, CIA and VP, you guy start fire, you don't finish this game soon, The Lao PDR now get
more angry. This mean more Hmong will be on the run to dead in the jungle of Lao again.

Please, hurry finish your game now.

Love Hmong
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>> posted by Neng on 11/2/2007 2:57:37 AM
to jong yang


Finish game? Vang Pao and his gang are finish not the LPDR. Vang Pao had played Genocide game for ever 30 yrs and cost many innocent Hmong lives and this time the game is over for Vang Pao. I can bet you all that nothing is gonna happend to LPDR only a better relationship between US and LPDR. You are right on one thing if the US lock Vang Pao up long time ago then so many innocent hmong and laotian lives wouldn't be lost. LPDR has accuse Vang Pao of supporting rebel inside Laos but vang pao denied any involment, now since they caught Vang pao in the act with weapons to destroy LPDR like the LPDR had claim, the US and UN might support LPDR to use any mean to destroy Vang Pao network inside Laos, bad news for Vang Pao's people.
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>> posted by seng Xiong on 11/2/2007 11:15:26 AM
I am agree with Neng's ideas.
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>> posted by lao2blao on 11/2/2007 1:18:16 PM
To all who answer my comment. Yes, I mean what I mean. Laos to be Laos. If Laos to be Vietnam, it would have been 32 years ago. So everybody has to say Hmong is good that will make you happy? That is not what democracy about. That is why we have comment, debate, opinio, forum etc. We can write against each other foreever and nothing good is going to happen. You guys keep silence about Vang Pao and his gangs conspiracy. You only say blaa blaa to US Gov. Vietnam Gov. Lao Gov. Those Gov. have nothing to do with this, so leave them out of this. Remember, Vang pao and his gang are in house arrest waiting for trial, Hmong refugees in Thailand are unwanted by Thai Gov. and Hmong in Laos are waiting for your leader to rescue. Now whom you will turn to? According to the article, Hmong people left in Laos these days are one of the 18 pockets of resistance fighters remain in Laos. They survive by shooting, robbing the passengers and tourists cars or buses on the roads between VangViang and Luang Phrabang.
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>> posted by t_Xiong on 11/2/2007 1:34:24 PM
Lo Cha Thao is nobody but big loser. He failed his "paramilitary program" plan which charge member to join in Minn. and Wis. before he moved to Fresno, CA hoping to gain his popularity again. He drove an expensive sport car, flew "fat cat" to Las Vegas to gambling. What does he do for living? Where did he get money to do all those. Thanks god he was arrested. He is zero now, can do nothing like before. He is waiting for trial. He could be in jail for life if convicted. You read the article above again and again, You will see the truth out there.
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>> posted by jwatson on 11/2/2007 2:07:19 PM
To lao2blao. You are right. Hmong people have leader, army, educated man and woman, language. Only one is missing is Country to run. Why they pick Laos, why not China. They look Chinese, Voice like Chinese, dress like Chinese. There are millions of Miao over there. Everything will be easier.
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>> posted by jong yang on 11/2/2007 2:49:52 PM
To jwatson son of the *****

You know the reason Hmong try to fix Laos because Laotion
are too stupid to govern their country by cut their own King
head. This happen 30 years ago but this mean Laos is nothing in Laos no more. One of the currency 1000 kps bill, Laos put all ethnic pictures in that bill including Hmong. This is mean Laotian is done. This will be take over by whatever ethnic group that smart enough to gornvern this country peacefully and get bring this country from dirty and poorest to a better level of living condition. I don't seem that Hmong can do it. Since, they are still blaming one others, unincoorperate, unwilling to die, seem smart but not strong enough. I don't care who
is Lo Cha, how bad his personality. But he is a great peace of rock for this game. And the game just start, it should start sooner. Whatever Vang Pao try to do to the PDR, he is do under the perspective of the King of Laotion, and his grand kids who still living in French. Once, Vang Pao has
certified and risen his right hand to the Old Laotian King that he would never bettrayed the King and the country of Laos. He has the fully right to take over Laos, but the problem is he doesn't has enough support now. I am not sure in the near futures. Remember, Laos is done in this country, with or without VP. there are other 68 ethnic groups in Laos will take over someday sooner or later.
It'd been 30 yrs since VP and CIA out of Laos, now the living condiction of all citizens even worse than before the last 30 yrs. This is mean Laotian is nothing no more since they had cut their own Great King head and drunk the King blood. Am I right idiot jwatson?

Jong Yang
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>> posted by jong yang on 11/2/2007 3:31:19 PM
To those who opposed VP.

Yes, you are right he was wrogh for whatever he had done in the past 30yrs, Even he was wrong to choose to work with the CIA. The reason he had chosen to worked with CIA was to gain Power and Money and all his fellow Hmong had followed him without nowing what going on.
If, all of Hmong as smart as now in USA to know what was going in that past 30 years, And dragged Vang Pao the King of Laotian to an independent country wich is not count on Vietnam, China, and US like Thailand count on nobody. Then we wouldn't be here to discussed as sick people. What a pity is durring that time most Hmong people are mountainer, whithout education we know nothing of what going on. But, Laotian had school, well educated people, and smarter than Hmong, Why cutting their own King Head and let Vietcon ruled their own country, let Vietcon F....their daughters and wife, this mean stupipness and weakness of the Laotian, and this mistake of the King head cut by the Laotian will never be erased from histry of Laos forever and ever, Laotian will be more ashame and ashame to themself no mater how many next generation. This is why the grand kids of the King of Laos still work with VP to fix this smelling of dead fish PA DAD" in Laos so the grand kids could be able to find where had the King body buried. This mission is all for Laotian arround the world who had left Laos since CIA's out of Lao, but they all try to forget and too ashame
to stand as a Laotian. Because they cut their own King head. This and that, leave the King grand Kids working along with VP. What fate of a son who cut his own father head will he has to face? This is real and it already happen now, as I can see Laos now considered the poorest country on earth. All citizen living like DEAD FISH.

JONG YANG
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>> posted by Jong Yang on 11/2/2007 4:38:05 PM
After my visiting Laos, Laos is nothing now. Even noudle still import from Thailand, I can see is those dictator stealing the thousands years old trees from their own country and sell to Japan, China and Thailand day and night. Along the river of Mekong from the City of Vientiane to Meung Feung, Noon Hai, and Ban Nakang, there are more than 100 trucks loading with 2-3 trunks of 12-20fts diameter on each trucks. The trucks moving slowly 20 fts away one after another from the big jungle to Vientiane. More than 20,000 of thousands years old of Laos national trees is now being cut off day and night. All the trading money go to the PDR dictator pocket for buying nice car, building nice house and their luxurious living. Leaving the all school building like the shade of buffalo.
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>> posted by Vaj on 11/2/2007 7:01:39 PM
Txawm zoo thiab pem peb yug los ua Hmoob peb yuav tau lees tej teb meem tswm sim rau Hmoob. Peb ua tau txhob thuam peb tus kheej peb hmoob tiab li zoo. Muaj teem meem tsis txaus siab muab uv cias, tsis txhob muab coj los hais hauv no koj ntiaj teb paub peb lub siab. Nco ntsoov tias peb tsis hlub peb ces tsis muaj leej twg yuav hlub peb. Qhov yog peb yuav tau stand rau peb qhov right as Hmong. Qhov peb thiab peb niam peb txiv ia tsis yog peb yuav tau los solve sib tham komploj mus es kom txhob los raug Hmoob. Nej nco ntsoov peb twb poob teb chaws tau 4000 xyoo lawm yeeb vim peb pheem ua li peb hais hauv no. Mus tuaj tus ub tus no tsum ub tsum no kom teeb meem tuaj. Qhov no tsis yog lub caij nyoog mog kwv tij. Tu siab thaum twg es nej thiaj li txawj xav es los coj peb Hmoob mus hais peb cov teeb meem. Ntshe tshuav ntev. Lwm tiam kuv tseem yuav yug los ua Hmoob duas es yuav los nrog nej kho Hmoob tej teeb meem. Vim peb tsis vam meej tsis zoo li luag vim peb pheej sib tog li no. Nco ntshoov tias peb tuag tom church es leej twg tuaj nrog nej nyob pab nyiaj rau nej tha nej niam, nej txiv, Nej kwv thiab nej tij. Yog Hmoob. Puas muaj ib tug daj dawb, dub, nplog, thiab lwm haiv tuaj pav nej. Tsis muaj. Tu siab nej yog cov tsis paub. Nej cem VP, thiab Loj Tsab Thoj ces nej cem nej vim nej yog Hmoob. Nco ntsoov tias peb yuav tau hlub Hmoob. Peb yuav tau tuaj zaum tham txoj Hmoob li teeb meem xws li VP cov teeb meem thiab Hmong as terrorist kom ploj mus nawb. Nco ntsoov tias hauv nov yog hais lus zoo xwb tsis yog sau sib ceg.
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>> posted by Teng Vang on 11/2/2007 11:57:21 PM
to JONG YANG

you'r idiot man, You said you can go fix Laos and make Laos a better country? I wonder how you gonna do that? Vang Pao already corrupt in American, scamm money from his own hmong people, how the hell he gonna fix Laos. The U.S has such tought law on corruption and Vang is under the U.S law he still scam money from elder hmong who on welfare. I can't imagine Laos would be like under Vang pao rules. Another thing Stop using the Lao king as excuse, it makes you sound really stupid, He was lao king not Hmong king, If Lao people don't care why should you care, if vang pao can scamm money from his own hmong then how the hell he gonna love other like laotiane. No lao people want the king back, that system is stupid, everyone has to knee down and pray like god. I know Vang pao does't care about the king, he just use name of the king for his greed. so Jong Yang don't try to make yourself more stupid than this.
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>> posted by JONG YANG on 11/3/2007 12:28:47 AM
To; Pretender Teng Vang
Why you afraid to use you real name as Yellow face Laotian idiot name on this site if you really smart as you claimed.
You have forgot one thing I mention above. Dosen't mater what you said may be right or wrong about Vang Pao, Dosen't mater, will he end up in jail or not I think he has done one think to hurt your feeling, for his capture all
your Favor Red dictators in Laos including you are really scare about him. That's why you so angry when you write on this site this tell me you really and badly scare of his power. He only made one move inside the United State, His power already shaked your nut, so why you yellow face Laotian get more angry right. Mr. pretender PUSSS
You are not man, if you are, use your real name, I mean I
yellow face dead fish name. His mission will be on and on. It's better for him to be in US Jail. but that's not mean his mission will end, as long as Laos still smell of Dead Fish, all the 68 other ethnic groups will stand up sooner or later. VP just building the giant truck, he can't drive it.
I will drive it, thousand of us will drive it and go to snap on your favor dictator face some day. Idiot yellow face
pretender Teng Vang.

Jong Yang your Father who F....your mother so you born with Mix sperm.
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>> posted by Teng Vang on 11/3/2007 12:48:06 AM
to jong yang



I'm not pretending to be Hmong you stupid. Kuv tsis yog nplog niag ntsej muag ruam. Kuv tsuas hais qhov tseeb xwb nab. Vaj pov dag nyiaj ntawm peb cov neej laus, nws tsis yog peb tus zoo thawj coj. So if I don't kiss vang pao ass and don't say good thing about vang pao, I know I know you will call me communist. That's how typical stupid hmong who say they know about democracy but accuse others who disagree communist. You have no clue what democracy really is. I feel pitty for you man, Vang Pao is finish, ohh by the way I am Hmoob Vaj thiab.
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>> posted by JONG YANG on 11/3/2007 1:10:18 AM
To miss pretender Teng Vang.

I know you'r not Hmong why you scare to use your real yellow face Dead Fish PA DAD name. So, I can tell you how
VP will go and Fix Laos. Doesn't mater which side you are who the hell you are. I am telling you now that I am not Vang Pao cousin, I am not his gang, I used to disagree with his mess. But, after my visiting Laos, I get more angry with Vang Pao, Why? He move such as a turtle for his mission, because his gangs are not well political educated enough to take over Laos. That's why alway have heard Laos will be finish year after year for almost 30 years. But now he really made good move, in jail is better move than nothing. You remember, with or without Vang Pao. The US really want to take control of Laos but they just want to make it the right way and absolutely they don't want to do infront of your idiot yellow face. That's why they set up this mess. I am telling you, even the US set a Radio Station called "FREE ASIA RADIO" speaking in Laos every day from Washington City. FREE ASIA RADIO broadcasting globally and nice clystal clean sound since 1976 till now. You are yellow face dictator prepare to run.
Jong

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>> posted by JONG YANG on 11/3/2007 1:26:44 AM
OK. KUV XAV TIAS KOJ TSIS YOG NEEG NTSE, YOG KOJ NTSE TIAG KOJ YUAV TSIS RAUG KUV DAG KOM KOJ QHIA TIAS KOJ YOG LEEJ TWG...TSIS UA CAS TSIS TXHOB CHIM.. QHOV NOV UA KOM KOJ NTSE ZOG TUAJ XWB...

KUV ZOO SIAB TIAS KOJ YOG HMOOB... QHOV KOJ MOB SIAB VIM VAJ POV UA TSIS TAU HAUJ LWM...LI PEB XAV...KUV LOS MOB SIAB TIB YAM. TIAM SIS KOJ TSUAS CEM TAU LUAG XWB, ES KOJ NE...KOJ HO UA TAU DAB TSI RAU HMOOB. KUV TSIS TUAJ VAJ POV TOG, KUV TSIS TUAJ LEEJ TWG TOG, TIAM SIS KUV TSIS RHUAV HMOOB. TXAWM VAJ POV UA YUAM KEV LOJ NPAUM LI CAS LOS YOG KUV YUAV HAIS KUV SAU NTAWV NCAJ QHA RAU VAJ POV XWB, KUV TSIS PUB LWM HAIV NEEG PAUB TIAS KUV QHUAV KUV HAIV NEEG. KOJ MUAJ CAI HAIS LI CAS LOS TAU, TIAM SIS KOJ TSIS TSIM NYOG RHUAV VAJ POV. VIM
YOG NWS YOG HMOOB, KOJ YOG HMOOB. KUV PAB KOJ TXAJ MUAG TIAS KOJ ROV QHEB KOJ TAWB QUAV RAU LWM TUS HNIA...HAJ..HAJ... NOOG KOJ TUS KHEEJ SIAB KUV HAIS PUAS YOG.... KUV YUAV TSIS CEM KOJ NTXIV LAWM.
VIM KOJ YOG HMOOB, NROG KOJ SIB CEG TSIS TAU QUAV DAB TSI... KUV HLUB HMOOB TSHAJ KOJ...VIM KUV TSIS QHUAV HMOOB...KUV YOG HMOOB..YOG KUV CEM KOJ IB YAM LI KUV ROV TOM KUV TUS NPLAIG, KUV TSIS NTSE TIAM SIS KUV TSIS KAM TOM KOM MOB KUV TUS KHEEJ.
THOV TXIM UAS TAU HAIS SIAB SIAB KOJ VIM KUV XAV TIAS KOJ YOG NTSEJ MUAG NPLOG DAJ.
ZOO SIAB TAU PAUB KOJ, TIAM SIS KOJ YUAV THIM XAV DUA UA NTEJ KOJ RHUAV HMOOB RAU SAUM NO... YOG KOJ XAV TIAS KOJ NTSE, THOV TXHOB RHUAV HMOOB.
JONG
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>> posted by JONG YANG on 11/3/2007 1:47:28 AM
TO TENG VANG.

KOJ YOG TXIV NEEJ YAWG TIAG, KOJ YUAV TAU MUS NPLOG TEB MUS XYUAS TIAS NPLOG ZOO LI CAS...KOJ TXHOB PW ES TSUAS KHAV CEM LWM TUS... YOG KOJ MUS YUAV TSUM NPAJ NYIAJ MUS FAIB RAU COV ME NYUAM YAU TXOM TXOM NYEM... VIM LAWV YUAV RAWS KOJ TSHEEJ NTSHUA...YOU KOJ POM LAWV RAWS THOV NYIAJ TEJ PAB LI 20 TAWM LEEJ RAU TXHUA TUS DAJ HAU, DUB HAU, TOURISTS UAS MUS NPLOG. LAWV THOV YAM TSIS TXAJ MUAG. VIM LAWM KHAUB HLAB THIAB TSHAIB PLAB TIAG TIAG... My eyes fully with tear one after another, when I saw these kids chasing others tourist and they denied giving them money. If, you see them yourself and you don't cry, you are human. This is why it hurt me a lot as a Hmong Laotian. I was born in this country, how could I do some thing to help this country a better living, specially for these kids future. Doesn't matter who the hell will take over this country. But, I believe that this country will be better in Democracy for these kids futures.
After this and that, I come up and idea to support whoever will try to change Lao from dirt to haven. Vang Pao may or may not achieve his mission, if I could, will carry a big
bomb myself to those dictator house and burn them to die with me. So, the smell of Pam Lev could be gone and all people in Laos would have better life.
Jong.
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>> posted by Teng Vang on 11/3/2007 1:53:03 AM
to Jong Yang

Kuv tsis yog yuav ntxub Vaj Pov, kuv tsuas yog tsis nyiam yam nws us xwb. Kuv tsis nyiam kev sib ntaus sib tua, Kuv tsis nyiam tsov rog. Hmoob thiab nplog zoo li kwv tij nyob ib lub teb chaws, txawm hais tias lub teb chaws nplog tsis hu hmoob teb chaws los hmoob twb nyob tau 200 xyoo los lawm. Peb tsis tsim nyog yuav mus ua tej yam tsis zoo. Peb twb muaj hmoob tau ua nom ua tswv nyob teb chaws nplog ziag no es cia lawv ua lawv peb tsis txhob mus txeeb. Peb tsim nyog pab lawm kho teb chaws yam ncaj ncees tsis yog mus tua txeeb. Hais li no xwb tej zaum koj yeej paub lawm.
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>> posted by Bee Vang on 11/3/2007 2:18:42 AM
To Teng Vang

You said, "I know I know you will call me communist. That's how typical stupid hmong who say they know about democracy but accuse others who disagree communist. You have no clue what democracy really is."

You feel jealous about VP taking your parent couple dollar. Is that couple dollars more important than you kill yourself by spoilling your people on line. You remember this is on line. I feel sorry to see one of the stupidest Hmong still exist on earth. "Vim peb Hmoob muaj cov neeg ruam ruam li koj es peb thiaj swb rog rau suav since puag suav teb los ntag" KOJ CES ZOO LI TUS DEV TUB NKEEG UAS THAUM LUAG CAUM CES NYOB IS TOG NTSIA,
TIAM SIS YOG LUAG CAUM TAU NQAIS NOJ CES KOJ YUAV NROG LUAG SIB TOG TXEEB LUAG LI NQAIJ NOJ. KOJ MOB SIAB KOJ OB PEB DAUS LAS, KOJ TSIS NCO MOB SIAB KOJ TUS KHEEJ TIAS KOJ ROV TUA KOJ CIAJ CIAJ LI JONG HAIS NO. NIAG RUAM HAU NPUA...KOJ TSIM NYOG MUS YAIM KOJ POJ NIAM LUB PIM KOM TXAUS TXAUS ES TXHOB LOS HAIS TXOG TIAS KOJ PAUB POLITIC LI UB LI NO. KUV PAB KOJ TXAJ MUAG DHAU...NIAG NTSEJ MUAG RUAM...RUAM LI KOJ ES KOJ THIAJ TSIS NCO TIAS KOJ ROV TOM KOJ TUS NPLAIG LI Jong HAIS NAV. VAJ PAO TXWAM YUAV NOJ NYIAJ TSIS NOJ NYIAJ LOS KOJ TSIS TSIM NYOG THUAM NWS RAU SAUM NO...
KOJ TSIS YOG HMOOB VAJ NIAG NTSEJ MUAG DAG...VIM HMOOB VAJ TSIS MUAJ COV NEEG RUAM LI KOJ, YOG TIAS KOJ YOG HMOOB VAJ TIAG, NTSHE THAUM KOJ TXIV TSOOB KOJ NIAM TSHE KOJ TXIV TSEG NTEV NTEV TSIS TAU TSOOB PIM ES KOJ TXIV COV PHEV QAUB QAUB LAWM ES THIAJ YUG TAU KOJ RUAM XIAM HLWB LI KOJ.

KOJ TSIM NYOG MUS YAIM KOJ POJ NIAM LUB PIM TSUAG TSUAG ES TUAG TSUAG MUS YUB DUA TSHIAB OS NIAG RUAM HAU NPUA, KOJ NYOB NYHAV AV XWB OS. TENG DAG.
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>> posted by real issue on 11/3/2007 3:01:40 AM
Don't import Lao issues to the US. What will determine the fate of Vang Pao and co? whatever they have done in Laos does not matter. The issue is, is there enough evidence to support the conspiracy theory? or were they entrapped? there may have been some conspiracy but the US might as well go and round up everyone in little Harvana. The plan is so far fetched and basic knowledge is so crude you can not take it seriously, much probably was cultivated by the US agents, a ground for dismissal of entrapment.
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>> posted by fs yang on 11/3/2007 12:13:15 PM
I'm wondering if all of you people arguing in here... even know Hmong history? Plus the fact that why there are Chao Fa.. and many hungry people living in the jungles of Laos. I think all of ya should go get a education before ya argue about something ya don't even know about. Who is VP? Ya think ya know who he is? I can bet ya only know that he's supposedly the Hmong leader and that he promised the CIA to fight in the secret war and nothing else about him. If ya know ya would not take side with him so much...
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>> posted by unknownhmong on 11/3/2007 1:03:51 PM
NEW TIME, NEW ERA, NEW COUNTRY, AND A NEW GENERATION. WHY ARE WE LETTING THESE OLD HEADS RECYCLE THE SAME CONFLICT TO BRING THE OLD SUFFERING TO OUR PEOPLE AGAIN?!!! THE GENERAL OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS WANT TO CALL IT IS NOT MY LEADER FOR MODERN DAY. HIS CREDENTIALS MEAN NOTHING TO ME NOW AND AS A MATTER OF FACT HE IS THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM. LET BY GONES BE BY GONES. THEY WON WE LOST NOW LET MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS COME OUT OF THE JUNGLES TO LIVE A LIFE NO LONGER ON THE RUN.
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>> posted by unknownhmong on 11/3/2007 1:13:13 PM
Democracy??? HAHAHA! What Laos needs first is unity of all ethnics before that can even happen. Laos needs economic development and it will change slowly. war is not always the option and does not bring nothing but the destruction of a country and people. We have to remember that Laos is of strategic importance to china, thailand and vietnam whom are laos bigger, giant neighbor. this is one reason why laos has not have peace and is also poor. their is not enough room for a small country of 5 million. vietnam 100-million, thailand 70-million, china 1.3-billion. My family emmigrated from laos and northern laos is my home and where my ancestors dwelled in the highlands. I long to go back and help my hmong and lao people. lets stop the war and start the process of healing and progressing. vang pao is just opening up the old wounds again. its never ending if this is the road we follow.

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>> posted by lao2blao on 11/3/2007 1:34:57 PM
I guess the only thing to make those guys happy and shut up their mouths is to write like Vang Pao is good, Hmong people are good. Then that is not what democracy about. It will be lead and follow, lead and follow. Maybe if they rule a country, people have to follow no matter what. If they don't, their heads will fall off of their shoulders. Another thing, I never heard about King's head was cut off by Communist.If this really happened, it would be all over the world' news and countries that still have King would not stand still. You guys just made this up to trick Lao people to hate Laos Gov. Laos king was no enemy to neither side. If Laos Gov. is a madman, the Royal Palace (now is National Museum) would crumble down 32 years ago.
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>> posted by KhamPhong on 11/3/2007 5:06:19 PM
To lao2blao

I am on of your brother who is Laotion.
What is the fate in Laotion, is the King head cut off by us, we don't know may be true or not. There is a fact behind the darkness. Who will take over our country is not important. The important is I agree with Mr. Jong, about the Government of Laos shouldn't steal our grand kids national resources such as those thousands years old three. These trees are not belonging to them only, they belong to all of us. They thinkd the control the country, they can do whatever they like, and all citizen can't said a word. This is how communist dictator behavior. They can rule the country, but they shouldn't steal our national property. None of us could said any thing about this issue, it is important issue. Otherwise, sooner the Land of Laos will be worthless. What have left is a peace of dry dirt. I saw the evident, that Jong said was true. There are a lots of trucks loaded with big tree trunks not only from
certain area, but all over Laos where the jungle near the road side. Even futher jungle they use elephent to dragg the tree trunks. I feel ashame of this dictator, because of my cousin cut only small tree and he still in jail now. How about them cut the whole country, who could put them in jial. May be only the Democracy.
KhamPhong Love Laos
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>> posted by KhamPhong on 11/3/2007 5:17:33 PM
To Jong Yang

I am love Democracy, I love my country, I love my people.
I never hate Hmong. But, when you blame those dictator, you shouldn't said dead fish Pa dad, this is favor food which you might dislike. But, you don't have to said if not your favor. It hurt all of us as some one blame Vang Pao and hurting all of Hmong. There are a lots of us also love democracy too, that's why we don't want to join our King's kids and VP. We don't want to see no more war in Laos.

If, Laos have to change, lets those citizen suffer the terrible living condiction enough so they will stand up some day and change this country to democracy. I have a feeling that it will happen very soon. Not because Vang Pao nor the CIA, but all the citizens.

Khamphong Love Laos
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>> posted by Jong Yang on 11/3/2007 5:46:24 PM
To lao2blao.

You said the King head was cut by Laotian. Yes, whoever cut the King head might not be real Laotian. But, could you tell me, could you tell all your fellow yellow face laotians, where the hell the King body burried. He is gone and gone forever on the air. Are you ashame of this. From the highness King Palace down to dirt as a national ***** museam. I bet you, if his head was not cut off, could you tell the world where ane when he had died. I think you know the fact of this mess, but you try to cover you ass. So, you don't have feel sorry and ashame to the whole world. If, Laotians not that stupid, you guy should love your King and protect your King as Thai people love and protect their lovely King. The King of Laos is not as smart as other neighbor King but since he is your King he is your Father. If, the King died peacefully, could you dare to go to Laos now and ask those dictator where had the King burried. I bet your head will be flown before you even hear a word from them, idiot.
I am not Vang Pao gang, I don't support them neither, I don't care will he succeed or not, I think with Democracy, all the citizen have the right to vote to choose their future.
Not for only Vang Pao and his fellow Hmong but for all of the people in Laos will see a better life.
I am pretty sure that you really know with these dictator rule Laos, Laos will be the same ass hole for the next ten decade right. Oh, I forggot that you are not a man, you are a female born with 2 nuts that why you fled along with Hmong people to find a better life and left your home land
dirtily apart. And now, you don't care how bad that old house right.
Jong
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>> posted by Cher Vang from Wis on 11/3/2007 10:18:16 PM
to jong yang,

I think you talk too much and know little, first Laotiane didn't not follow Vang pao to U.S they are part of the Indo-China war refugees just like the vietnamese and Cambodias. Second communist is corrupt yes, but most of the Democracy countries are corrupt too, take Mexico as example: Mexico even border with the richest country in the world and a democracy country, but still very corrupted, poor people lying on the street of mexico city begging for money. And all the countries in Africa are democracy but they are poor and corrupt even poorer than Laos. Laos is a third world country with GDP less than 1 billions per year. I don't think any peron including your vang pao can go to laos and turn Laos into industrialize nation within 30 or 40 yrs. jong yang you sound really undeducated person, I don't mind for the all the pain you have for Vang pao going to jail. I wonder if any of you especially jong yang ever graduate from high school and even know how the government and country work. Most of you said Democracy democracy, you have no clue what democracy is like one of the guy said above. Ua tsuag rau nej cov uas paub qhov tseeb es tsis lam sim Democracy cog los hais yam txhav tsawv.
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>> posted by Joey on 11/4/2007 2:08:12 AM
I think there are too many ignorant Hmong posting newsence.Vang Pao must face the Karma he stired. eversice he fled Lao back in the 70s he still campains for welfare money to finace insugense to shoot buses and explode markets and torche villages. It serves him right.
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>> posted by Joey on 11/4/2007 2:15:43 AM
There are too many ignorant Hmongs posting nonsense. VangPao is the Master mind to all the shooting of busses, exploding of markets and touching of village.Those who are in US have no sense of what is going on.Eversince he fled from Laos in the 70s, he had always campain for welfare money to by guns for the rebels in Xieng Khuang.I get sick in my ass when I hear you stupid Chaofa supporter protect him without acknowledging his terrorist activity.The unrest in Xiengkhuang has been traced to VP.You guys are evil fools if you support his movement. The hate you for your ignorant so stopppp!!
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>> posted by anonymous on 11/4/2007 10:24:17 AM
The author's depiction of the Hmong as primitive people is inaccurate and promotes stereotypes: "In Laos, the Hmong, who had migrated from China, had no written language, prayed to shamans and used horses as primary transportation." Hmong cosmology does not include prayers to shamans, and the language has been written in different orthographies thoroughout the past centuries. The most recent orthography was developed in the 1950s and is widely used still today.

Instead of portraying them as primitive people, I wish the author had used more respectful and accurate descriptions of the Hmong such as, "an ethnic minority in Laos who valued their independence," "who had a rich oral literacy," "who were skilled agrarians," or "who were skilled linguists, often knowing several languages including Hmong, Lao, Thai, and Chinese." Before you write your next article about the Hmong I suggest you have a Hmong colleague at UWM look it over for biases or inadvertently insulting language.
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>> posted by half Lao half Hmong on 11/4/2007 12:17:06 PM
Indeed, I understand what you are saying. The writer did not have "peer review". Everyone one knows we are anything but primitive.
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>> posted by jong yang on 11/4/2007 8:11:31 PM
To: Cher Vang Mr. PHD degree.

I might seem uneducated person to write broken english.
Yes, I earned only a two years Associated Degrees in Appleton, WI. I was born in Laos, and grew up in Thailand. I graduaded High School in Thailand before I came to US. I realize that I have a poor English skills. But, as long as you get the point, this is more important.
Yes, VP was not elected by you and others who opposed him neither I, to be our official Leader. But, he is Hmong.
It seem you try to share your perspective of how smart you are. And show me what else have you done for Hmong People. You seem smarter than me and well educated then VP. Why would you use your smarty to help your own people in Laos to bring them better school system, better job, and better living condiction. Go and share your smart idea to those dictators to see what the thinks. I'm afraid your head con't last longer than 10 seconds on your body after sharing your smart idea to them. As long as VP's mission still going on, it might seem stupid mission to us. But, I see one point that at least those dictators give more respect to their co-dictator who is Hmong. It is better than you guys who clamed smart person but every days you sniffing your wife psss.
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>> posted by Blong Mour on 11/4/2007 9:04:44 PM
Without VP mission, Your Hmong the mountainer, will have no chance to seat with those dictators in the department called Laos LPD government right. Vang Pao, has his fully right to go back and fix Laos if he has a better gangs, well educated in politic. Even, he is now US citizen, but he was born in Laos, grew up in Laos, his parents was burried in this Land. He has the right to optain a dual citizenship as both Laotian and American.
So, it not wrong for him to go there as harmfully or peacefully to solve the problem in Laos base on his perspective. What a pity is, he is no more important to the CIA than the new Laos PDR. Or, the CIA want to take over Laos without him. However, to turn Laos to democracy is a peace of cake for US. The mater is US has others bigger mission to complete before turning this small dirty land to a better land that could called a country.
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>> posted by Jong Yang on 11/4/2007 10:11:45 PM
To Cher Vang Mr. PHD and Other who opposed Vang Pao.

Yes, I realized that I had talked to much and knowing a litle.
That's why I am here on this site to steal you idea if you smarter. I tried to talk too much to dragg you in. So, I know how smart each of you who opposing VP. VP is not my offcial Leader neither. Since he is my type as a human being, I better love him than hate him. All of you need to read this following story carefully. Because, I am an uneducated person and write a broken English. There is a buffalos herd in Africa being hunted by the tigers. When the tigers caught one of them, the rest try to run as fast as possible. Some standing still and stares at the one that being bitten wiht no clue of how to help. These buffalos are animal and they are stupid animal. But, not the herd of the elephant. When one of the elephant had caught by the tigers, the biggest elephant tried to brew his horn as loud as he could to scare the tigers. When they make a jouney, they know how to put the younger inside the older walking outside. The elephant is considered the smart animal, because they know how to protect their own herd.
What about all of you who opposing and blaming your big elephant. Are you even more stupid than those buffalos herd. You better re-considered yourself as a smart person as you claimed.
Jong yang. Loving My own Kind.
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>> posted by Jong Yang on 11/4/2007 10:33:43 PM
I like to talk a lot. But this is the last think from me to all of the STUPID BUFFALOS WHO OPPOSING VP. Hey what do you say? What do you think about yourself? What kind of animal you think you would fit in according to my story of the wild Buffalos and The wild Elephant. Yes, you absolutely fit in the stupid type of animal as the buffalos herd. When being killed by the tigers, the rest just run and stood as no brain to help. You are no different as these stupid buffalos. They don't know how to love and protect their herd because they are animal. They can't talk like you who blamed and felt ashamed to be Hmong because VP's mission failed. GOOD LUCK VANG PAO, YOU HAVE YOUR FULLY RIGHT TO GO BACK AND FIX LAOS
AS LONG AS YOU READY. YOU ARE BORN IN LAOS, AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT OF OPTAINNING A DUAL CITIZENSHIP. IT'S NOTHING WRONG FOR YOU TO PREPAIR YOURSELF TO DETROY THOSE DICTATORS TO MAKE LAOS A BETTER COUNTRY. AND ALL YOUR FELLOW ELEPHANTS WHO ARE SMART ANIMALL WILL FOLLOW AND SUPPORT YOUR MISSION TILL THE NEXT 1000 YEARS UNTIL WE WIN THE WAR. JONG YANG YOUR FELLOW ELEPHANT.
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>> posted by Yang Dao the President of Hmong on 11/4/2007 11:09:21 PM
Hey, it is fun to read these politcian argueing.

I don't support Vang Pao neither don't oppose him.
But, one guy brough in a very important and interesting point to me. It's about the Picture of Hmong being posted in the New Lao PDR currency of 1000 kips. This is important clue for me to call all my fellow Hmong arround the world to come to Laos and develop this country to our Hmong country since now we have the most important evident and proof that this country is reall belonging to Hmong. No mater what country are you in now, that country is not yours. In the past decade, I'd tried to search for the clue of what could be the greatest evident to proof that this Land of Laos is officially belonging to Hmong. Yes, right now this bill is registered to the UN as legal currency of The Lao PDR. All my fellow Hmong please don't fight your own people, come and join as a great team to build Laos as your official Country. If, we smart enoug, we have more population than Laotian. Consider, Laotian has 4 million including others ethnics.
In China, we the Hmong are more than 6 million people who speaking in Hmong. Please come to Laos and kick Vietcon out and devide Laos to be the land we can call Hmong Country. New President of Hmong.
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>> posted by Tong on 11/5/2007 11:46:22 AM
Shameful buffaloes, and chickens your and your gangster VP have no where out to go, your gangs already in house arrested and never get out the rest of your life for the sinful thing you have done to the hmong, your corruption, lairs, and cheating have ended for jong yang.

pig. you are illegal to used other name as yang dao,you will be prosecute.
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>> posted by Seng Xiong on 11/5/2007 12:02:46 PM
I am agree with Cher Vang. We came here in the US. not mean to following VP. We came here by the refugees program, UNHCR. as well as the Vietnamese, and Cambodia, as well as another refugees. we better to appreciated our government and the Catholic Charity and Lutheran Church those sponsor us into this country, and no to keeppin credit for Vang Pao.
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>> posted by Yang Dao on 11/5/2007 12:52:40 PM
To: Idiot Tong

I am not Dr. Yang Dao. I am the one who will be your new Hmong Leader which better than Vang Pao.
I like your opinion, because you look very smart to me. And specially you don't support Vang Pao, please come and support me OK. Don't waste your time for those sick people who try to trick you to get sick. We will build our
country together. Thanks

Yang Dao Paj Tsab.
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>> posted by Xat Lao Quon Lao on 11/5/2007 2:46:27 PM
Yang Dao the President of Hmong- In China, we the Hmong are more than 6 million people who speaking in Hmong. Please come to Laos and kick Vietcon out and devide Laos to be the land we can call Hmong Country. New President of Hmong.-

I guess you like playing with fire. Dont forget right across the river in thailand sits 30 million laotions, it will take but only a few minutes to convince to fight the Hmong. PLease dont be so wreckless and delusional. Do you really want to see Lao and Hmong pitted against one another??? You know its a numbers game if you want to see who will come out on top.

Sitting in Thailand, Burma, Vietnam, and China are many many Pi-nong of the Laotion people. Dont be so foolish my friend.
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>> posted by s lee on 11/5/2007 8:22:31 PM
to seng xoing hais rau koj paub tias ua neeg nyob tsis txhob mom niam txiv txiaj ntsiag thiaj tsis npam nawb tus me phooj ywg!VP yuav tsis yog tus uas tuav koj tes mus ya nyob hoom tuaj rau teb chaw america thiab muab koj ev tuaj tab sis twb vim yog muaj nws siv tag nrho nws lub dag lub zog thiab lub tswv yim los ua hauj lwm pab tsoom fwv america es ntiaj teb thiaj paub peb haiv Hmoob, thaum kawg american swb tsov rog vietnam es peb thiaj to txoj kev tuaj nawb yog VP tsis kam los lees txoj hauj lwm no ua ces ntshe koj thiab peb ces tseem niaj hnub ceb muag zees xwb os tus me phooj ywg thov kom koj paub hlub koj haiv hmoob thiab mas.
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>> posted by Bee Vang on 11/5/2007 10:43:02 PM
Yog Lawm, tij laug S lee.
Kuv xav tias ua neeg nyob yog nyias tsab nyias ntse li no peb thiaj tsis muaj teb chaws.
Thov koj txhob thwm xam cov me nyuam yaus no. Kuv xav tias lawv tseem hais lus li lawv tseem noj niam lub mis. Qhov tseem ceeb yog lawv muaj cais ntxub leej twg los tau, muaj cai tawm tswv yim, muaj cais hais ywj siab.
Tiam sis tsis tsim nyog los thuam lawv hais neeg.

Tus neeg uas nws tsis nco qab niam txiv txiaj ntsig ces piv tam li tus dev. Me nyuam dev thiaj rov tsoob tus maum dev uas yug nws xwb. Cov Hmoob uas tawm tsam hais tsis zoo thuam Vaj Pov rau hauv nov kuv xav zoo li twb tsis piv dev lawm thiab.

Ua Tsaug.
Bee Vang
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>> posted by Vaj on 11/6/2007 10:23:56 AM
Ua tsaug Tij Laug Seng Lee thiab Npis Vaj. Neb yeej hais yog lawm. Peb yog Hmoob tsis nyog los thuam Hmoob. Peb yog Hmoob peb yuav tau kho Hmoob txawm tus hlob thiab tus yau ua txhaum vim yog ua rau haiv Hmoob los peb yuav tau los solve cov teeb meem. Tus hais tsis zoo rau haiv Hmoob ntawd tsis yog Hmoob yug. Tus Hmoob yug yuav tsis hais li ntawd. Tus ntawm niam txiv yug yuav kev. Nws tsis yog Hmoob tus coj thiab Hmoob tus cawm seej. Tus ntawd yog tus neeg ruam tsab ntse xwb. Hmoob yuav tsis yuav nws los ua Hmoob tus coj.

Ua tsaug
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>> posted by Hmong Free on 11/6/2007 3:37:21 PM
I believed that the World now know how the U.S treated their freedom fighters. General Vang Pao -hmong people- who allied with the American to fight for Freedom in Southeast Asia, and now he-hmong leaders-were prosecuted for freedom fighters. So will the American friends who are Terrorism fighters like Gen. Musaraf and Pres. Karzai be prosecute too, for helping the American fight terrorist. Finally, so who is really the terrorist..in this World..and who else want to allied with the U.S to fight for more freedom and terrorism extremist?
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>> posted by Lao-Hmong on 11/6/2007 5:48:54 PM
I was born in the United States of American. I spend U.S dollars. I go to school and learn subjects. I am good at history of all kinds, including Vietnam War. I can do math easily. I drive a beautiful car and have a nice woman. I know martial arts, including Kung Fu and Karate. I have the freedoms of choices that others of my age don't have in Laos or other communist countries. My friends who were born in the U.S. are also smart like me. We respect our parents who came to the U.S. They are here, and my friends are here because because of General Vang Pao. My smart friends and I always respect our leader Vang Pao for bringing our parents to the U.S. We know that without General Vang Pao my Hmong and Lao people wouldn't be here in U.S. Our parents wouldn't be here either, and so my friends and I would not be born in the U.S. to enjoy life like we did. Remember! We Hmong childrenn and Lao children who were born in the U.S. must respect and honor General Vang Pao because he made us great Hmong and Lao in America. He brought our parents to Amerca, and we were born here, so we can get what we want like go to school to become Lawyer, Doctor, Engineer, Richman, Teacher, Businessman, and still enjoy life the way we wan. All mentioned here are real, and we must say "thank you" to our father General Vang Pao, who after all is still the Lao-Hmong hero.

Sa Bai Bee
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>> posted by Joey on 11/6/2007 7:00:50 PM
Dear LaoHmong

People of Lao are enjoying there lives aswell.Just because you get foodstamps that dosent mean the world. Here in Lao we have to work for our income but we still Love our country and all of our ethnic trib.What ever ethnic you are you are equal in Laos. If the people of Laos feel that they are beeing supress, there will be an uprise by the people, not OUTSIDERS like you! Actions made by VP are called terrorism and people who work for him are insurgens.We don't need outsiders to make unrest for our country.Stay out of other countries business.If you want those insurgense, why don't you sponcer them. we are happy to give them to you and create problems for US.

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>> posted by Rattana on 11/7/2007 1:40:47 AM
US conducted a secrete war in Laos is a fact.

US violating its treaty is a fact.

US not compensating for the death of the villagers is a fact( UXO victims)

Laos no.1 country that has been bomb on earth by America is a fact.
Hmong rebels stupit enough to follow the US is a fact.

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>> posted by B V Rattana Mothers on 11/7/2007 1:32:28 PM
To Rattan my daugther.

You are so young, What you said they are all right.
I see some guy here talked about the Head of King of Loas had been cut by Laotian. Was that true?
Then, Laos is violating the world biggest crime on earth.
And, if this was trueth, this is even more a FACT.

Doesn't mater those Hmong People at that being hunted by Loa PDR are Vang Pao network or terrorism. But, they are human being they are being hunted like animal now and in the past 30 years because they dislike the system of communist. Lao PDR is no 1 country on earth who violating human right by killed armless people is a biggest FACT.

Laos has been bomb on earth by America because the stupid King of Laos who has two stupid sons. And his two sons gave Laos to two different countries such as US and Vietcon. US was not officially fighting in Laos to take over Laos but if they win Vietnam, Laos will automatically be their under taking country. This is a fact.

You are my daugther is a fact. Because you seem to young to understand all facts.
Lets go back to suck you C... my lovely daughter Rattana.
Your Mother
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>> posted by B V Rattana Mothers on 11/7/2007 1:49:18 PM
A month before this mess has bee set, Vang Pao took a important evident to the Hall of UNHCR for reporting human right violation in Laos.

The footages're revealed Lao PDR hunted all armless Hmong in the Jungle of Laos like animal. This was shock the administration of the UNHCR and others who were in the hall that day. Lao PDR must do some thing to get rip of Vang Pao to clean their genocide action. Then, they use big budget of Dollars to fool the stupid US authority to take Vang Pao to jail. This happen very fast. Vang Pao
has forgotten of what he has shown the video footages to the Hall of UNHCR was a cold bullet for himself from the Lao PDR. But, he didn't realize that this cold bullet would shot him by his lovely friend. If, Vang Pao end up in Jail,
all his footages video about the Lao PDR genocide action will be posted on line and publish through the world to see. Laos will faces a bigger crisis then Vang Pao.
Rattana Mothers
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>> posted by Bong Lee on 11/7/2007 2:20:03 PM
To Joey

You have forgotten one point that Vang Pao is not outsider. He was born in Laos. His parents burried in Laos. He has his right to kick your dictator out of Laos.
The mater is how long would it take him to accomplish his mission.

Bong Lee.
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>> posted by xiong on 11/7/2007 3:56:10 PM
Why now we blame others, the vietcong, laos and thai didn't make a choice for us. They didn't kill us who agree to join force with them. They kill us because we kill them as well. They are not the one to blame, why don't we look into ourself first.

We hmong people don't have a country because we can't work together. If one person have the power, many other will tend to ruin it instead of supporting it.
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>> posted by bv grandfataher on 11/7/2007 11:08:04 PM
What country in this world would allow anti-government insurgents "chaofa" roam free within her borders? A group that is armed and still engaged in anti government activity??

Why are the terrorist in the jungle keeping women and children with them and hiding behind women and children?

Do you think the army have time to select women and children from terrorist during time of war when hidden in the jungle?

Why are the terrorist in the jungle tied and funded by LPDR 1 most wanted terrorist, Osama Vang Pao?

Why cant the Hmong live in peace and harmony like all fellow Lao citizens?

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>> posted by JoHnYaNg on 11/7/2007 11:14:09 PM
It sickens me that we are exploiting the comflict and applying genocide to the title! I was once a beleiver and now have found to be FOOLED!!! WHy are we lieing to our people? why are our leaders so selfish and dangerous?

We cannot win! This is another deadend for us again. Time after time we make the wrong decisions. I hate BEING F'ING HMONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!
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>> posted by Lao-American 2cents on 11/8/2007 4:32:19 AM
All the above postings carry a lot of anger, misperceptions, finger-pointing, and pro-longing of mis-understanding. Points on the artical. The reporter is reporting. Regardless whether the report is just, fair, or biased, or right in the middle, those who have made up their minds, won't see the report by this reporter any different. In fact, much of what is reported in this version, is the same that has been reported back in June when all the VP stuff happened. This artical is just another repeat to get air-time. Laos is not the issue here. Lao people, of all ethnicities are not on trial here. The artical is talking about VP and the other 10 arrested, VS. the U.S. Govt. That is the issue. Lao people in Laos, of all ethnicities are living their lives, in all levels, and are trying to go about it like most human beings around the world. They are not concerned as much as one likes to think about the government, the neighboring countries, the outside world. Their main and immediate concern is how to feed themselves, their children, and how to work for future progress. This include every parent, person, regardless of their ethinicity, who happen to be a Lao citizen. There isn't a need to drag them into the hatred, mis-perception, finger-ponting, and mis-understanding, that's been demonstrated in the many postings. Hmong-Americans. It can be said by now, after 30 plus years, 80 to 85 percent of Hmong-Americans enjoy being and living in America. Those who are not content being here, perhaps have always been unhappy, and so, no matter what, will always find ways to become unhappy, become angry, and finding others to point the fingers at. If not Laos, Lao people, Lao PDR, then it's the U.S., U.S. Govt. white people, black people, their neighbor, community, family, on, and on. Lao-Hmong in Laos are part of Laos, and are citizens. Hmong in the jungle rebels in Laos, are NOT part of the current Laos, and are, like anywhere in the world, fighting the govt. or country, and so are terrorists. Hmong in America will continue to prosper by embracing what opportunities they have in the U.S. 300 million Americans in America. And others only wished they can live in America, legally. The focus of the 80 to 85 percnet Hmong-Americans are on building the future here, in America. Those who are in support of rebel activities against other countries they are NOT citizen of, are wasting away their life, and should know the law, that it's illegal. Trying to change the law laid out by the Govt. designed for 1000 other situations to combat terrorism, and was not design to entrap Hmong-American terrorists, is not the way to go for Hmong-Americans. Other illegal immigrants would trade their status with these rebel supporters and swap citizenship in a heartbeat.

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>> posted by Vang on 11/8/2007 10:33:10 AM
I believe the best way is that we are in the U.S.A. We should not support a dictator just like Laos. Remmember that our parents once had supported the king of Laos or General Vang Pao or U.S.in 1960s to 1970s. Our parents had taken the king, VP, United States' weapon against the Communists. We had ate American foods. No matter what we can not be the government of Laos if there is still Communists. The Communists are watching you if your parents were the king official. If you do something against the Communist governent of Laos, you will end up just like the king, Tou By Leefong and the king's officials. The point is that if you live in Laos now. Do not say anything, but if you live outside Laos. Do not support the Communist of Laos. The point is that they do not like people who support the west. If you support the west, no matter what country you are in. You are their enamies. You know the citizens of Laos wanted change. We wanted to have free election just like we think, but they could not do it. If they do something against the government of Laos, they will be die or jail just like the king of Laos. You can not help them. We ca say, but we can not help. Just like the people in the jungle, they had been in the jungle since 1975 until today because they are dislike the Communist of Laos and because they were persucte and prosecute by they government of Laos after the Communist government had install. We can help them for a penny. We just watch them die. The wolrd can not do anything to stop the genecide even we bring this issue to the UN.
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>> posted by Lao American 2cents on 11/8/2007 12:01:12 PM
Dear Vang and all,

regarding the beliefs among Hmong Americans which I don't believe is the case, as 80-90 percent of Hmong Americas are happy and good productive, law-abiding citizens of the U.S. believe the best way is to continue to use Laos and the Lao Govt. as an excuse to continue to hatred. Speaking in the fashion of saying Laos Communism is bad or any communism or that type of govt. is a big generalization. There are many countries in the world such as China that are Communist, which all know is not perfect, yet we consume Chinese made products everyday. And earlier someone also pointed out that not all democracy are perfect. The world is very different today as it was 40 years ago. Hmong-Americans, are different from Hmong in Laos. Hmong-Americans are not all on the same page, so you can not assume to use the word WE freely as you and I, and the other Lao ethnics from Laos who are now in the U.S. we all have our own issues, goals, to pursue and work out. Those, US citizens, who continue to plot against other governments, whether Laos or China, or which ever Govt., that is clearly deemed and in the law of the U.S. to be illegal, and will NOT be tolerated. So first if you are American Citizen, respect this country, her Constitution, and along with the imperfection, and the imperfect world, you must encourage those you know, whether they are Lao or Hmong, that are conducting terroristic acts against other nations, to stop as it's against the law. If you don't, and even openly support them, you are no different, and will only help to continue the hatred, anger, disillusionment, in yourself, and to people, family and friends around you.

Other than that, you must believe that

Lao-Americans are not fighting their own people in their birth country, this includes the 30 millions of Lao people in Thailand

Lao-Americans of all ethnicities, especially Hmong, have families and relatives, in the millions who are living like any other normal citizens in Laos and trying to work on future progress

Hmong in the jungle who are rebels ISSUE in Laos is NOT the only issue, Laos has thousands of other chanllenges to deal with. And believe me, the last on the priority list is to focus on killing rebels, and first on priortiy list to keep up with ASEAN and powerful neighbors, and not get swallowed up.

we all must use our knowledge as U.S. citizens, be objective, use the opportunities and better your lives here in the U.S.

Don't support your Osama Bin Ladin, just because they MIGHT be Hmong in the Jungles of Laos. Otherwise, or actually as it been shown, with supports from VP and other anti-Laos groups, they have been blinded by thirst driven from their own agenda, NOT the agenda of majority Hmong-Americans.

Lao-American 2cents
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>> posted by BEE LEE on 11/8/2007 4:03:58 PM
to Lao-Americommunist 2cents

You have forgotten that Vang Pao is differents from Osama.
Vang Pao's act is to correct the smell and clean his country for a better living condiction. Osama is fighting for anti-rilegionism. Vang Pao is born in Laos. He still owning his Laotion citizenship. He once made a mistake by left the country of Laos. If, he still in the jungle of Laos
he would be fully a freedom fighter. He had left Laos because he wanted to obey your stupid King words of not to anti-communist. In fact, the communist party was led by one of the stupid son of the King. That's why he had no choice to stay and fight the communist. Almost 30 years now, the stupid son who favor the communist party head had flown away from a sharping blade of Mr. Krai Sorn the originator Communism. Vang Pao has a fully right to return to conduct the land he was born that his perents born still burried in. His act is clearly not a terrorism act. It is your hero act. The problem is you who favor the Laos LPD is too afraid to die to change and take away those dictators. You cant go and see those dictators now can't do nothing to make Laos better from the last 30 years, they are now cutting the thousand years old Laos national trees everywhere all day and night.

Beelee Democracy favorism
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>> posted by Yeng Moua on 11/8/2007 4:59:43 PM
To Lao American and Other Hmongs who opposed Vang Pao. You considered yourself as a Laotian. No wonder you come in this site to debate and share your ideas.
You guys don't have to use extrem words to hurt yourself and others as an idiot. If, you think you are smart enought to change Laos or Keep Laos, please give the great opinions of how and why would you want to keep Laos as it is now. Or, show the HOW and the WHY you need to change Laos from communist to democracy.
I can see Hmong pretended to be Laos blaming others, Laos also pretended to be Hmong against Hmong.
No mater how smart your idea is helpless on this site.
It makes you get more sick and sick. If you really care about Laos the country we were born, we need to think logically not hatefully. Laos can change either by Vang Pao or all of the Citizens who suffered from the terrible life, this land still belonging to you. My opinion is, if Laos stay rules by Vietnam, very soon the Flag of new Laos PDR will be removed and replace by a red color with a yellow star from Vietnam. Laos is already western Vietnam just still speaking Lao now. You see several Provinces of easthern Thailand such as Leoi, NongKhai, Nakhorn Phanoom, Phetchaboon, and Udon were belong to Laos several decades ago. These provinces still speaking in Laos and they are actually Laotian but now is Easthern Thailand. Without changing, Laos will very soon be disappeared from the world map.
Yeng Moua Love Laos.
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>> posted by Yeng Moua on 11/8/2007 5:10:47 PM
Either you like or dislike Vang Pao, remember he is a Laotian too. What he try to do may be to gain his old power or bringing Laos to a democracy country so every one can choose their future, but at least his mission would keep Laos on earth for your great grand kids. Don't forget Easthern Thailand is now no more chance to go back to Laos no more.

You may hate Vang Pao as democracy extremist but you need to cool down and think as general lost as now the Laos PDR country agenda must follows Vietnam gorvernment agenda. This is mean Laos is nothing now.
This country now speaking in Laos but ruled by Vietnam.

Yeng Moua Love Laos again
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>> posted by Joey on 11/8/2007 7:15:34 PM
Way to go Lao American2 cent.

Technicly, Vang Pao's actions are acts of terrorist not different from Osma binladin.The reqime is over 30 years, why cant Hmongs rest in peace and intergrate with the low lands.We Laos want peace and developement not division and unstability.No mater who the goverment is, we want our peace. I myself witness a market bombing financed and planned by the radical VangPao. Do you think killing villagers will hurt the government? It is just going to make the goverment work more harder to eliminate these insurgense.If th people feel supress, they will rise.Acts of Hmong american right now are considered terorism.Think Logic, a couple thousand uneducated hill tribs rebels cannot take down our government.Then once the government use force, they cry to the united nation.Why don't they just make a living, let Lao people worrie about Lao people!
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>> posted by Fucker on 11/8/2007 11:26:13 PM
F....you

idiot Loas dictators.
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>> posted by Fucker on 11/8/2007 11:30:03 PM
To Joey Loas Dictators Favorism.

You need to check at yahoo and type suabhmoobradio, there is a site that you can view how you dictators did to the Hmong.

Love Hmong
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>> posted by Moua Lee on 11/9/2007 12:16:55 AM
Hmong is not terrorist. Hmongs are human being like you. Each of us has one life to live. We don't want to die like you too. Also those who still in the jungle of Laos neither one of them wants to suffer from starvation, from the cold season in the jungle, from being hunted and killed like animal, from living like in hell and suffer from being called as terrorist. I want to ask you if you never be trusted by your LAOS PDR government, and they tried to come to your house every days for unreasonably interview and take your love one for certain trainning and never return. What would you do? Will you seat and wait for them to take you to a non-return trainning or so the choice of running into the JUNGLE for surviving? Once, the Hmong had served the CIA, after CIA withdrew from Laos. Several of hmong people tried to live peacefully, but they never be trusted by the new Laos PDR government. So, come the choice of jungle fighters.
If, the past 30 yrs they were fighting for democracy, they would all surrendered now. Because, Vang Pao mission is too slow for them. Many of them're fighting for surviving because their cousin, husband, brothers, and love one were executed by the Laos PDR government for once served the CIA. Many families couldn't suffer the starvation to dead. Then, they had made several surrenders, but non of them are now still existing on earth. The rest must counted on the JUNGLE.

LOVE HMONG AND LAOS.
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>> posted by Joey on 11/10/2007 4:04:38 AM
Ask for amnesty!
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>> posted by Joey on 11/10/2007 4:05:08 AM
Ask for amnesty!
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>> posted by Moua Lee on 11/10/2007 4:36:47 PM
You are too ashame to say anything besides the amnesty.

Don't forget to watch the video clip on the "suabhmoobradio" under HLUB HMOOB... catagory.
Doesn't mater what nationality we are? We are also human being which loving to live as an ordinary alive animal. None of us wouldn't want to have a terrible life.
If, we have a chance, all of us including you would choose a better life to live, also those Hmongs in the Jungle too. Hatred, anger, racism, and discrimination together will created more conflict to our grand kids life.

Moua Lee. Love Hmong and Love Laos
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>> posted by Joey on 11/11/2007 1:11:56 AM
I would nominate Rebeca Summers for best films!
Mayby Sylvester stalone( Rambo) will come in and rescue them.

If you are willing to take them we are willing to give them to you. There are many of you around the world, why don't you just sponcer them.
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>> posted by Joey on 11/11/2007 1:17:30 AM
It is not our problem it is america's problem. They were not loyal to us they were loyal to the imperilist America. Therefore US is oblicated to shelter them.
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>> posted by s lee on 11/12/2007 11:19:38 PM
to all hmong who is hmong and love hmong you guys should stand together and go back to laos to help our hmong if we hmong no love hmong nobody care abaut hmong,donot let the dictator do stupi to our hmong. we hmong neverknow how to distroy any buildings any car any think in laos, why the world stupi dictator labeled us as terrorist red lao goverment kill our hmong every where in laos no body label them as terrorist when we escaped laos to thailand lao goverment see any hmong crossing the river they kill all them no any left but lao gverment see laotian escaped and crooing the mekom river lao stupi dictator didnot do any thing to them,every body dead in the river only hmong, we hmong should think abaut this.
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>> posted by Rattana on 11/13/2007 3:06:02 AM
Now you got to be honest if you want to win the audiance. The plot to overthrow the Lao government was tape and the phones were taped, How can you say your political american Hmongs never destroy anything when this is just one chapter of it.VP idea's are skewed and you guys are fulls for beleiving him. anyways the protagonist of this book will certainly enjoy his american traditional peanut butter jelly sandwich behind bars. There are plenty of Hmong that integrate in the society and their are plenty of Hmong that are in the National asembly.Do you think they would allow such a thing. The particular group of Hmongs are Chao fa, they are insurgents hidding behind woman.
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>> posted by Vang on 11/14/2007 10:55:39 AM
To Lao American 2Cents,

I understand that you support the governemnt of Laos. You must understand that why you are here in the third country. The reason is that you escaped the same problem, life not economy. The Hmong and VP came here to the U. S. is to escape for life, not economy. The Laotian might not facing the same problem and situation in the jungle of Laos. We escaped to Thailand and only half of family survived. Why? because we hunt always to the Mekong River until we made to Thailand. Those who are left behind had hunt just like animal. The government of Laos burned their houses, foods, etc. and also killed enocent children and ladies who do not understand war. This is international crime just like Saddam Hussien in term of politic. VP is terror. He had not order someone to kill inocent like the government of Laos who order to kill the people in the jungle. If they are good government why they did such killing to the Hmong and Laotian in the jungle of Laos. If they are good government instead of sending military to kill the people in the jungle. The government of Laos should give medical aide, foods, etc to them. They are the government of Laos citizens. What we concerned is that we want the government of Laos to stop killing the people in the jungle. We want them to give econy support. Do not think about 30 years ago. That had been past. We must establish friendship. We are brother and citizen of Laos. We should sit togther and talk about bringing properity to Laos. Seding our kids in Laos to a third country such Japan, U.S.A., Canada, Germany, France,etc. to learn a better education and technoly to develop Laos.
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>> posted by lee on 11/15/2007 12:00:16 AM
yes,I'm maynot honest butyou and your dictatorts very smart and not hiding under woman why it had 32 years why loas still a poorest country in the world and under vietna control and killing hmong and not know interate in thesociety too.
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>> posted by Rattana on 11/15/2007 3:48:06 AM
The fact is that Lao is a poor country due to years of war fare and colinization by western nations and nabouring countries in the region. Lao is also a land lock nation and is the most remaining UXO, which unattrack investors.The fact that Lao is poor does not mean Lao people are inferior, does not mean that lao people are uneducated.This misconception is cause by ignorant 2nd genoration Hmong americans like you who try to disrupt the country,cause unstability. We Laotian love peace and hormony.The lao people maybe poor but nobody here gets welfare and live off somone eles labour like you parasites in california.The White americans disgust you for clinging on to welfare genoration to genorations.

Vietnam are not in controll. we are alies, from the secrete war your fater, the whiteman stired up.

Lao people poor or not is non of your business. go get a job and make good use of your time. stop sleeping eating on the foodstamps!
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>> posted by Bee Moua on 11/16/2007 5:53:45 AM
To: Rattana my stupid daughter

You talk like a kid of 5 years old. You have no idea of what happen. You should go and suck more milk, and get yourself bigger brain. You yellow stupid Laotian face, you killed your own King and you said now Laos is not controlled by Vietnam, I would like to ask you one question. Have a citizen in Laos now be able to share an idea of developing this country to a better level condition, no right. You remember that without Vang Pao, very soon your Name called Laos will be changed to Vietlaos. The flag of new Laos will be changed to a red color and one star in the middle. You need recognize every single Laos PDR government conference, there are only two flags on each side of the conference table. These two flags are the New Laos PDR flag and the Vietcon Flag. Are you blind?
Very soon this country will be gone from the world map idiot yellow PA DAD. We want to keep Laos not to repeat history like eastern Thailand speaking Laos but all the provinces of Leoi, Nakhorn Phanoom, NongKhai, and Phetchaboon belonging to Thailand. This is because you yellow face PA DAD are too stupid and too weak.

Moua wand to keep Laos.
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>> posted by Yang Ma on 11/16/2007 6:13:50 AM
To: Rattana

We are here to debate about the fact. Non of us who are Hmong wants to win outside audiences. We don't wants people to labels us as terrorist. If, Vang Pao would charged for international criminal to endanger other country, so what about Mr. President Bush? Bush's agenda to the world and he declared war to many other countries is to expand democracy. Vang Pao mission is following Mr. Bush agenda of making Laos to a democracy. If, Vang Pao guilty, Who will punish Mr. Bush.

Please answer this.

Yang Ma
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>> posted by VANG TOU HUA on 11/16/2007 11:52:32 PM
To all my lovely Hmong people.

Before you like and dislike to be a Hmong you must go to
this site: www.mojthem.com
and listen to all your great grand Hmong hero history back to 200 BC before Jesus was born.

You must listen to all the voice before you hate or support Hmong.

Vang Tou Hua
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>> posted by Xeng Yang on 11/18/2007 4:25:11 AM
To all Laotians who favorism the Lao PDR government.

You need to read your history and be smarter as a Laotian.
You need to find out the 18 agreements to stop war in Laos
in 1954, in Geneva. Your favor dictator violated all agreement for the last 30 years.

You need to know otherwise, if you don't know nothing or you pretend to be blind.

One thing for you to remember that we will support Vang Pao until all of your dictators gone from Laos. If, Vang Pao
die before his mission complete, there are 10,100, 1000 others Vang Pao will be born to continue the mission until
Laos become a freedom country.

Respect the country of Laos and all Laotians but not those dictators in the government of Laos PDR.

Love Laos.
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>> posted by To Moua lee on 11/18/2007 7:15:22 PM
You are stupider than stupid. you are too uneducated to understand logics. All government administration are composed of Lao citizines.Tell me, do you have a profession or are you one of the low lives that have nothing to do?Yes you are probably greatful to US because thay give you and your rebel supporter foodstamps.You know what, ***** you Hmong americans who interfere in other goverment affair.You guys are to uneducated to even understand.No matter how hard you try to cause unstability for Laos,those insurgents will suffer more.
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>> posted by bee Moua on 11/19/2007 7:26:48 PM
Yes, you are seem smarter and more professional.
Are you happy if some one call you a smart person.
But, I think you are too chicken to use your yellow face Laotian name. Don't try to fool the Hmong by using a Hmong name to debate.

You are right on one thing. The more Vang Pao move, the more suffer will be added to the Hmong freedom fighter.
in the jungle of Laos. No matter who you are, a yellow face Laotian or an idiot mix semen Hmong, you need to remember this. If, Vang Pao gangs smarter than what you have seen. Laos was already taken by the Hmong for the last 10 years. But, don't rush to celebrate your victory yet.
I believe by the next decade Laos will be control by Hmong.

If, you think you are real human, use your real name and nationality for debating on this site. idiot pig!

Love Hmong
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>> posted by Young Hmong on 11/19/2007 7:46:26 PM
To: To Moua Lee

A smart person never blame others stupid. A smart person will always smile to see others debating and try to steal their idea from debating. You feel smarter, but in fact you real not.
Laos is my home land where I were born. That's why no mater I rich, poor, smart or stupid, I still need to worry about this country of how my people live. How the government treat them? What could I help? Who should I support to make Laos a better country that we can call a country. No mater who you are and how smart you think you are, I think Laos is not yet deserve to call a country.
We should call western Vietnam.

Love Laos, But never betray Hmong
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>> posted by Thong lin on 11/20/2007 12:42:17 AM
Sorry i left out my name Bee moua. First of all I am a red Laotion. You should feel honored that I am talking to low live terrorist like you.We love all our citizines no matter what ethnic race they are.We are in power now.Those who live in Lao PDR must respect our law.Any person whatever race, intrudes the Lao PDR shall face justice.

You Hmongs american are so Nieve. Did you know USA always acknowledge VP terrorist activity from day 1. You don't think they have spies in your meeting. After Osma distroyed Newyork, Bush declared war on terrorism, then US finallaly got seriouse. The reality is that the US ditch you. also if US give freedom to VP we will stop trades and diplomatic relations with US.
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>> posted by Rattana on 11/21/2007 2:29:47 AM
You call yourself freedom fighters. Freedom fighters don't burn villages down, shoot busses and explode markets!These victims are innocent people .How will that liberate Lao. Absolutly terrorism.
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>> posted by Vang on 11/21/2007 1:39:29 PM
To Rattana

I would like to let you know that those people who shoot buses, burn houses and explode market just like you had mentioned is the LPD soldiers who did it. Then they throw evidence to the freedom fighters. The Lao government is the one who killed the Hmong in the jungle,burned their houses and used starvation as weapons. This is genecide. It is international crime. I tell you are working to bring those governemnts to face justice. They are like Khmer Rouge. They are secrectly kidnaping people and then disapppear just like they done with the king of Laos. The government of Laos ever and never let their potical prisoners facing justice. They never let their political prisoners be prosecuted by the court and any type judicial system. The political prisoners were totured and dead inprison. What time of government is this? My question is this a government system or a dictator system? You must let your political prisoners to face jugement or a court system or let them escape to other countries if you do not want keep them in Laos.
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>> posted by Bee Moua on 11/22/2007 12:07:41 AM
To Mr. smart Thong Lin.

Your yellow face Laotian, instead called yourself red Laotian.
This game just starting. Don't rush to celebrate your victory yet. You are not smart enough to know why the US government want to trade peace and diplomatic with Laos.

Laos is nothing at least a smell of dead fish you yellow face called PA DAD. It's nothing worth to the US but the Hmong. You are now in power, you can laugh and please laugh as loud as you can. All the CNN video footage shot in the jungle of Laos now in online in the You Tube.
Ha ha ha...Your ass hole favor dictator will sooner face an
international criminal.

Love Loas not Red

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>> posted by Yeng Mour on 11/22/2007 12:58:19 AM
To: Thong Ling

You said you are RED Laotian. Yes you look very smart for killing armless people in the jungle and very smart to cover your criminal act. You are so smart that's why you had won the war and you were very smart to killed your own King. But, if you live in the or some kind of chicken Laotian who fled along with the Hmong to the US, I bet you still in medical assistant with the US government.
In the case, you look to me more idiot. Why I said this?
Your old King still has a grand son in France who still strongly wants to take over Laos again by using Vang Pao;s gangs. No matter you support him or not, he is Laotian, so you are. The more you against Vang Pao the more you look stupid.

Love Laos.
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>> posted by Joey on 11/22/2007 2:41:41 AM
The video made by rebeca Summers are fabrications made to destroy the image of the Lao PDR. As you can observe there was not one Lao soldier present.The death of the Chaofas were probably acts of canibalism doe to hunger and wantting to discredit the Lao PDR.Rebeca Summers deserves to be nominated in winning an award for making nothing to a seriouse case.How much money was invested in making this film?

By the tonations of your remarks, I can see that you guys are very radical just like your leader.You cant even talk sophisticated, how will you even controll a country. all you know is to pick up guns.
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>> posted by Joey2 on 11/23/2007 2:05:20 AM
Yes, you are right. If the reporter seen a red soldier presenting on the video, the reporter would had already been killed. Are you stupid of to said the Red soldier will let the reporter video taped them. You talked like a idiot kid.
The image of your favor dictator had already damaged since you Red Laotian cut your King head. Now I don't under stand why don't you go their in France and cut another head of your King grand son. If you spare him sooner or later he will be more danger to your favor dictator than Vang Pao.

Love Laos
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>> posted by vwj on 1/20/2008 9:10:45 AM
wow wow wow !!!
kuv xav pom Lo Cha thao?
kuv zoo siab uas peb hmong tseem muaj cov zoo thawj coj tseem muaj cov thawj coj zoo tswv yim.
kuv zoo siab tua pom cov new saum no........qhov zoo kuv thov peb hmong txua tus yuav tau sib hlub sib pab kom loj dua thiab peb thiaj yuav muaj kev vam meej rau yav pem suab.hmong txua lub teb chaw kom sib hlub.
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>> posted by Hluas Nkauj Internet on 6/6/2008 3:01:58 AM
Kuv paub Locha Thoj zoo heev mas. Nws yog ib tus typical txiv neeg hmoob xwb.
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