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Big Money

How home improvement store founder John Menard became the richest man in Wisconsin – and what he sacrificed to do it. by Mary Van de Kamp Nohl

Friday 4/27/2007

illustration by Joseph Adolphe

Paul’s father John Menard, the richest man in Wisconsin, had long loved racing. He had owned an Indy-car racing team for 25 years, beginning before Paul was born. Paul practically grew up on a racetrack, cutting his teeth on go-kart and ice boat racing. By age 8, he’d scored his first competitive win.

Tough competition was nothing new for Paul’s dad. John Menard had built his regional empire of home improvement stores one two-by-four at a time until it had more than $6.6 billion in annual sales and 37,000 employees. He’d also protected it from big-league interlopers Home Depot and Lowe’s, and between 1996 and 2007, his personal net worth grew from $775 million to $5.2 billion, according to Forbes magazine. Menards’ catchy slogan, “Save Big Money at Menards,” seemed to jingle relentlessly from every radio and TV, worming its way into the heads of shoppers across America’s heartland.

Racing spread the store’s name all the more. Team Menard Inc. won the Indy Racing League championship twice. Yet, in his black team jacket and cap, Menard looked more like a guy who shopped Menards than a man who had the highest tax bill of any American in 2002. On Forbes’list of the world’s billionaires, he ranks 155th. That’s well ahead of Herbert Kohler, Wisconsin’s second-richest man, whose estimated family wealth is $4.5 billion. Kohler had inherited the plumbing empire founded by his grandfather. Menard, the Eau Clare farm boy, had done it himself.

Empire building can be an all-consuming task, and John wasn’t always there after his son crossed the finish line. This time, Milwaukee Mile communications vice president Jim Tretow had seen John Menard hoot and holler when his son won. When the time came for a Victory Lane family photo celebrating Paul’s first win in 85 Busch starts, however, Paul’s girlfriend, mother and sister were there. His father was not. Those who know him say John was probably already on his way back to company headquarters in Eau Claire.

“He’s a loner. He’s normally by himself and just moves in and out of the shadows,” says Indianapolis Motor Speedway track historian Donald Davidson. Menard rarely gives interviews and refused to grant one for this article. Even those who know him well describe him in contradictory terms, as both hero and villain; the very model of a successful American entrepreneur; both brilliant and charming, yet also a foul-mouthed micromanager and a perfectionist who can be cruelly demanding with employees.

Even those closest to Menard are not sure what drives him. The state’s richest man may well be one of its least known.

The Beginning
John Robert Menard Jr. was born in 1940 in Eau Claire, the eldest of eight children. His parents were teachers – John Menard Sr., a University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire math professor; his mother, Rosemary, at St. James the Greater, a Catholic grade school. Before John entered high school, the senior Menard left the university and moved the family to the countryside to build one of the state’s largest dairy herds.

Like farm kids everywhere, John learned the value of hard work and frugality. But he hated the morning chores, fearing they left him smelling like the farm when he got to the local Catholic high school. He developed a habit of dousing himself with cologne, says one insider.

“There’s an independent streak that runs through the family and owning your own business has always been a big deal,” says his cousin Frank Watson. That ethic influenced John Jr., “but he was never interested in staying on the farm. He wanted to escape it,” Watson adds.

While John was still in high school, his father hired a company to build a pole barn, and John got a summer job working with the crew. After just two years of working with the pole barn company, John Menard hired his own crew and began selling pole buildings himself at the side of the road near his family’s farm. He worked days on his fledgling business, nights at a local movie theater. It was 1960 and he was just 20 years old.

“It was quite a struggle,” Larry Menard – John’s younger brother and Menards Inc. vice president and operations manager – said during an August 2006 arbitration hearing. “We didn’t have any money. It took until about 1964 when … we were able to sell a lot of asphalt shingles and things like that.” John’s pole building customers frequently asked to buy building materials because lumberyards were closed on weekends. John opened Menards Cashway Lumber to serve them, and upon graduation from college in 1963, turned down a job with IBM to build his own company.

“John always paid attention to the littlest details,” says a 1963 employee who stayed with Menards for more than 30 years. “In his lumber yard, he’d recycle scraps, like short pieces of two-by-fours that would have been garbage to other people. They were clean cut so they could be sold or made into treated tree rings.”

Scrap wood that couldn’t be sold was used for heat, after any nails were reclaimed using magnetic rollers. Today, the ex-employee adds, Menard heats most of the 60-plus buildings at his nearly 650-acre Eau Clare corporate headquarters by burning scrap pallets.

“John’s absolutely driven to maximize everything,” says Steve Kight, former managing director of Menard’s British racing engine company, Menard Engineering Ltd.

Menard quickly grew Cashway, adding a truss plant, operations for treating lumber, producing countertops, pre-hung doors, boards, steel and nails. By making some of the products he sold, he kept prices low. In 1972, he incorporated Menards Inc. and opened his first hardware store just in time to catch the building wave of do-it-yourselfers, according to industry analysts.

Like Wal-Mart, John Menard built a retail empire on having the cheapest price. The products he manufactured, including dog houses and picnic tables, accounted for about a quarter of the items sold. With no middleman to pay, Menard cut 10 percent off the cost of a steel door.

“We had a policy, we will never be beaten on price,” says former Wausau assistant store manager Norm Baumann, who worked for the company from 1996-2006. Menard had managers check competitor’s prices and count cars in their competitor’s lots over their lunch breaks. Menards would beat every price by at least a penny, and watch the traffic at competitor’s car lots dwindle.

“They comparison shop constantly,” says Bauman. If they couldn’t beat a price, Menard would order his managers to buy up a competitor’s entire supply of that product. Bauman recalls Home Depot selling oriented strand board, a plywood substitute, for much less. Menards managers would quietly buy trucks full of the competitor’s product. “I bought over two fork lifts of it myself, $4,000 worth,” Bauman recalls, “and when I got back to the store, they’d credit back the money.”

Menard would buy up a manufacturer’s overstock and rejects for pennies on the dollar. In the 1980s, “he bought ships full of Fiat tractor parts that had been refused by the customer who’d ordered them. John had them painted, got them put together, and we sold them,” recalls Steve Faber, who served the company for 19 years, including 15 as an Iowa store manager.

Menard’s wheeling and dealing produced an eccentric merchandise mix. “One year, we had truckloads of poinsettias” and another year Bumpy Diapers, says Ivan DenOuden, a former department manager in Mason City, Iowa. “We sold more diapers than the Target next door. There were all kinds of one-time buys. Gloves, candy, coffee. You made more money on that than lumber, where you had to sell 10 two-by-fours to make 50 cents because you competed against the other big boxes.”

The result was a unique shopping experience. “It’s entertainment. It changes every day. There are new treasures,” says Edward S. Archibald, who left the company two years ago after a 27-year tenure that included a decade and a half as a top executive. In 2004, Home Channel News magazine described Menard’s “treasure-hunt” mix of Home Depot, Dollar General and Wal-Mart. “Many Menards’ units have … the ambience of,
say, Kmart, circa 1978.” Yet, it said, “there were cutting-edge flourishes” its competitors lacked, including computerized kiosks that convert the dimensions of a proposed deck or garage into a shopping list of materials needed to complete it.

Tinkering with that mix in February, Menard added milk and groceries at some locations. “Anything they can make a buck on … They’re kind of the Wal-Mart of the home improvement industry,” says Scott Bropst, a Menards employee for 21 years and a store manager for 14.

Menards’ approach has its critics. “Popcorn and peanuts, all that crap at the checkouts, that’s a big mistake,” says Will Ander, senior partner of the Chicago retail consulting firm, McMillan/Doolittle
LLP. “They buy bulk peanuts by the truckload but they get stale. And as a shopper, I’m not very happy when the peanuts I buy are stale. It’s more important for Menards to focus on what it’s great at: home improvement.”

But the “junk in front” reinforces the image of a bargain-hunter’s paradise. The higher markups and steady sales for consumer goods may also cushion the impact of any slowdown in home sales, a problem that has recently hurt competitors Home Depot and Lowe’s.

In a September 2004 Federal Tax Court case, an IRS expert placed Menards’ return on assets at 14.2 percent compared to Home Depot’s 10.3 percent and Lowe’s 6.8 percent. In the same case, a financial analyst hired by John Menard, examined comparable retail chains and put Menards in the frugal bottom 10 percent for average debt. Menards built new stores without having to get a bank loan.

Like Wal-Mart, notorious for bullying manufacturers, Menards played hardball with suppliers. His buyers were “ruthless,” says Baumann. “I’d hear them on the phone and you’d never hear so much swearing in your life. They’d say, ‘I’ll buy this from you, so what are you going to give me for free?’”

In 1979, Menard invested in a $65,000 race car and hired a neighbor to drive it in the Indianapolis 500. It became a marketing vehicle for his stores and a way to shakedown suppliers. “He was absolutely a pioneer at leveraging shelf space to get sponsors for his Indy team,” says Eric Wright, research and development vice president for Joyce Julius and Associates, the most prominent sponsorship reporting service in racing. “You see it now with Lowe’s, Home Depot, Target and Best Buy, but he was way ahead of the curve.”

If you wanted shelf space at Menards, you were pushed to buy a racing sponsorship. Between 1997 and 1998, Glidden Paints spent nearly $4 million on Team Menard sponsorships; in 2002, Stanley Tools and Moen each paid around $1 million.

But “the primo advertising spot, the rear right fender, the area that the TV cameras grab most,” Menard saved for his own store, notes Milwaukee Mile’s Tretow. “His team was as much about marketing his Menards stores as it was about racing.”

One casualty of Menard’s tough negotiating was driver Andy Petree. Petree had won a pair of NASCAR championships as Dale Earnhardt’s crew chief, but struggled to find sponsors when he formed his own team. John Menard negotiated a three-year sponsorship contract that was not only a good deal for the company, but allowed his son Paul to advance his career by driving a Petree car. “John strong-armed me to a point where I probably should have said no,” Petree says now, explaining he was soon “at the financial breaking point.”

More crushing for Petree, in midseason, John took his millions and his son and joined forces with Dale Earnhardt Inc., the racing team run by Earnhardt’s widow. “It’s rare in the racing world for someone to break a contract the way he did, but when you’re John Menard, I guess you can do that,” says Petree, who spent the next 18 months laying off employees and liquidating assets. (He is now an analyst for ABC-ESPN’s 2007 NASCAR coverage.)

Menard’s negotiating ability is so renowned, says former Indianapolis 500 champion driver Eddie Cheever, that if Menard ever spent an hour lecturing on the topic, Cheever would be there. A former Menard racing partner, Cheever once spent an hour and half arguing with Menard over a $25 hotel bill, only to pay it himself.

Menards’ marketing strategy was three-pronged, beginning with a weekly circular that featured low-priced and even free goods like a 75-cent extension cord. By sending in a rebate coupon, customers got their name on Menards’ mailing list, and a coupon they could cash – on their next visit. The second prong was Menards’ ear-worm ads featuring freelance Wisconsin announcer Ray Szmanda and the slogan “Save big money at Menards.” The folksy Menards’ Guy became almost a cult figure.

The final prong became Menards’ racing sponsorships. His drivers and race cars would greet guests at grand-openings of new stores. Given the overlap between home improvement customers and racing fans, it was a natural fit, and Menard ended the 1980s with more than 45 stores in five states.

Retail War
By the early 1990s, Atlanta-based Home Depot, the country’s second-largest retailer after Wal-Mart, had its eye on the Chicago market. John Menard considered Chicago the heart of his territory, and he was determined to dominate in that market.

Without time to start from scratch, Menard converted an assortment of empty retail outlets. Bropst was assigned to the Lombard, Ill., store. There were reasons the stores Menard acquired had closed. In Lombard, “there were a lot of problems. Crime. Thugs. A ton of staffing problems. We got a lot of that cleaned up,” says Bropst.

Menards ended 1993 with $1.7 billion in sales, aided considerably by 18 new Chicago stores in three formats, ranging from small Hardware Plus outfits to super stores. When Home Depot opened its first Chicago store the following September, “we were ready and waiting,” Bropst says.

Home Depot entered another Menards stronghold, Milwaukee, in 1998. But the real competition remained in Chicago, hastening the demise of smaller regional chains Courtesy Home Centers, Builder’s Square and Handy Andy. Lowe’s entered the market in 1999. Historically, the companies Home Depot and Lowe’s had put out of business were the size of Menards. And the two giants did throw their weight around, pressuring manufacturers Kohler and DeWalt not to sell products to Menards, says Archibald.

For big box retailers, three’s a crowd, and the third-best is inevitably driven out of business, says Ander, the Chicago-based retail consultant. But in much of its 11-state region – Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakotas, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri and Nebraska – Menards ranks first or second. It runs neck-and-neck with Home Depot in Chicago (each has around 30 stores) and dominates Minneapolis-St. Paul with 19 stores. In metro Milwaukee, Menards has nine stores, ahead of the five Lowe’s stores and second to Home Depot’s 12.

Home Depot’s return policy is the stuff of legend. In their book Built from Scratch, company founders Bernie Marcus and Arthur Black recounted how in the 1990s, a man tried to return a set of tires, even though Home Depot didn’t sell tires. The service desk employee called corporate headquarters for guidance. He was told to ask the customer how much he’d paid for the tires and to give him a refund. From that day on, the tires hung near the service desk, a reminder that the customer is always right. Home Depot worried less about theft and error than the lifetime value of the customer.

Menards’ policy was a sharp contrast, allowing no returns without a receipt. But pushed by Home Depot, by the mid 1990s, Menards policy had changed to “If we sell it, you take it back,” says Bropst.

As the competition heated up, Menard complained to the Council of Better Business Bureaus that Home Depot’s ads in both Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul – which suggested Menards sold inferior merchandise – were “blatantly” false. In 2003, Menards sued Home Depot, alleging it “ripped off” his company’s flyers and posted them in its stores. The dispute went to mediation before a federal magistrate and was settled in Menards’ favor for a small cash amount.

Things went more smoothly on the race track. Menard’s team won the Indy Racing League championship in 1997 and again in 1999. Perhaps giddy with victory, he suddenly opened up to the media, even confessing to a national publication that he fantasized about driving his race car over Home Depot’s CEO.

In 1999, Advertising Age hailed Menards “excellence in brand building” in “going head-to-head with Home Depot.” Menard was named one of the publication’s 100 marketing marvels.

Menard found another way to beat his rivals. He paid himself $20.6 million in 1998, three times more than the Lowe’s CEO and seven times more than Home Depot’s. “In his world, everything is measured by your bank account,” says a former high-level corporate exec who asked for anonymity. “He kept telling me, ‘It’s a game and I’m winning.”

For years, Lowe’s had stayed out of the Midwest market, partly because Menards was so strong and has very loyal customers, says industry analyst Keri Spanbauer of Thrivent Financial for Lutherans, a major investor in Home Depot and Lowe’s. Rumors circulated that Lowe’s would acquire Menards, but instead, it moved into Chicago in 1999 and Milwaukee in 2005.

“Increasingly, new stores cannibalize sales at a chain’s existing stores or they bump heads with a competitor,” Spanbauer says. A Merrill Lynch report last summer put the U.S. retail home improvement industry at 85 percent saturation.

And Home Depot is having problems. In December 2000, the company named a new CEO, Robert Nardelli, who had no retail experience. When Menard heard the news, he was salivating, says Archibald. “John called me up and said, ‘let’s go have the most expensive steak in town and celebrate.’”

Customer service deteriorated under Nardelli, and he was let go earlier this year. Analysts say the company still has leadership issues, an antiquated inventory control system and stores that look tired and disorganized.

By contrast, the Lowe’s management team is considered top notch. Its stores are newer, cleaner and offer a shopping experience emphasizing the fashion element of home improvement that women particularly like. “Lowe’s has become a much stronger competitor,” says Spanbauer.

The number of do-it-yourself customers is declining, experts say, prompting Home Depot and Lowe’s to offer their own installers. “Let’s build something together,” as the voiceover by actor Gene Hackman declares in Lowe’s ads. “You can’t just sell items any more,” says Ander. “You’ve got to sell solutions.”

But Menards staunchly protects its relationship with its first and most profitable customer, contractors. It doesn’t want to take business from them. Instead, it provides customers with a list of private contractors.

Menard also clings to his mantra, “Save Big Money with Menards,” even as the original low-price leader, Wal-Mart, has begun to question whether an obsession with price still works, given its slowing sales growth.

In 2004 and 2005, while Lowe’s and Home Depot downsized and focused on opening smaller, 80,000- to 100,000-square-foot urban stores, Menard super-sized his new stores. He built a mammoth two-story store in St. Paul, Minn., complete with a moving walkway that carries customer’s carts – past a baby grand piano and plasma screens advertising specials – to the second level. In Duluth, Minn., he opened the mother of all home improvement big boxes, a 250,000-square-foot behemoth, more than twice the size of a typical Home Depot. Menard expanded kitchen and bath vignettes and added an appliance showroom and garden center to his already extensive product lines.

The company plans more monster stores. It’s a big gamble, industry observers say, but it might also assure the company’s survival.

Menard has meanwhile lost the marketing edge he once enjoyed with racing sponsorships. Home Depot, not Menards, is the “Official Home Improvement Warehouse of NASCAR.” In 2005, Home Depot – with former Menards driver Tony Stewart – captured NASCAR’s top prize, the Nextel Cup championship, then Lowe’s won the crown in 2006. This translates into millions of dollars worth of publicity. Last year, the value of Menards’ racing-circuit exposure was worth $22.2 million, estimates sponsorship expert Eric Wright. But Home Depot’s was worth $98.6 million and Lowe’s was $143.6 million.

Perhaps not-so-coincidentally, by 2006, Home Depot had annual sales of $81.5 billion and more than 2,000 stores in the U.S., Mexico, Canada and Puerto Rico. Lowe’s sold $43 billion at 1,250 stores in 49 states. A distant third, Menards’ 2005 sales revenue was an estimated $6.5 billion from 211 stores, according to industry analyst Dunn and Bradstreet.

Still, Lowe’s and Home Depot saw total same-store sales slump in 2006, while Menards enjoyed record profits.

Ruling by Intimidation
John Menard earned his college degree in business, but he once told a top Menards officer that his minor in psychology was far more important, because “how you treat people” was the key to his success.

His style is suggested by an innocuously titled pamphlet, Grow with Menards, which details the company’s standard operating procedure. It was inspired by Larry Menard’s Army experience during the Vietnam crisis, he told an arbitrator last August. To this day, Larry said, that booklet “is basically our rule book.”

Menards managers must sign a work agreement in which they consent to pages of rules and penalties: They are fined $10 if there are more than 15 carts in the parking lot, $100 a minute if a store opens late, $10 if a customer doesn’t pick up a special order within 10 days. With military-like discipline, a manager’s absences are tightly
controlled, and suggestions to a superior are not welcome.

The rules also reflected the personality of a man who started with nothing and succeeded by pinching pennies. “That company’s his life and when he feels someone is taking money out of his pocket, he just goes nuts,” says Kight, the ex-director of Menard’s racing engine business. The National Home Center News,a New York-based trade publication, quoted vendors describing Menard as “‘tenacious,’ ‘frightening,’ ‘entrepreneurial’ and ‘paranoid’ all in the same breath.”

Managers are prohibited from building a home, even if they purchase the construction materials elsewhere. It’s a measure to

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prevent employee theft, John Menard once told the media. The penalty is termination.

Even minor building projects concerned him. On numerous occasions, former managers say, Menard hired private investigators to take photos when an employee added a deck or addition, then had internal examiners cross-reference the materials in the photos with items the employee had purchased, looking for products that had been stolen.

The most infamous casualty of this policy was Eldon Helget, a lumber yard manager for Menards’ Burnsville, Minn., store. Helget’s daughter was confined to a wheelchair and the narrow hallways in the Helget home made it difficult to get around. She was getting too big for her mother Linda to carry her up the stairs, and because the bathroom couldn’t accommodate her wheelchair, the girl had no privacy. When the Helgets could find no home that met their needs, they decided to build from scratch.

But Helget’s boss, Larry Menard, said there were no exceptions to the company rule. Helget, who had a stellar 13-year record with the company, could resign his post and take a lower-level job, Larry said. That meant a $15,000 cut in his $40,000 salary, but Helget still agreed.

The Helgets hired a contractor to build a ramp-equipped home, using building materials from another company. When John Menard heard about the deal, he fired Helget. The company notified Helget that if he ever showed up on its property again, he’d be arrested for trespassing.

“John would say, ‘Why make a rule if you’re not going to enforce it?’” Archibald recalls, adding “sometimes, you have to cut throats. That’s how business works.”

Helget’s story found its way into the Minneapolis Star Tribune.A columnist called Menards’ policy, “something exhumed from the Bronze Age with all its primitive logic intact.” The story continued a second day when a local lumberyard offered Helget a job. The Helgets were elated – until they discovered Eldon’s contract with Menards barred him from working for a competitor for a year.

This rule came from Menard’s concern that his trade secrets might be revealed. Indeed, he refused to hire former Home Depot or Lowe’s employees for fear the person might be a spy.

Linda Helget phoned Menard to plead with him to relent. “He said we could find a house in another town, but all our friends and family are here. He thought he was a real stud muffin the way he talked and I said ‘who are you to tell us where to live?’ I told him ‘someday I hope a train runs you over and cuts your legs off.’’

TheNational Enquirertrumpeted the story to the rest of the country. The Helgets filed a wrongful firing claim against Menards; their attorney Edwin Sissam took the Menard brothers’ depositions. Sissam had expected John Menard to be a sophisticated businessman in a wool suit. Instead, he got “a cowboy in jeans with his shirt partially unbuttoned and a chain around his neck,” he says.

“It was clear Mr. Menard is very, very secure in himself. His body language, his mannerisms, answering questions when he wasn’t asked; not answering them when he was,” Sissam says. “Most companies with an employee with a disabled daughter would want to be behind the family … But John Menard had this attitude, ‘Who the hell is telling me how to run my company?”

The Helgets took Menards’ second settlement offer, “somewhere between $1 and $50,000,” says a source close to the case, which was settled in 1992.

In his quest to run things his way, Menard was the ultimate micromanager, employees say. “There’s an emotional youthfulness and wonder about him – like a kid having fun – and then he says, ‘wait a minute, I can’t control that,’ and he tries to control absolutely everything,” says Kight.

Menard often goes through the mail of his top executives and tirelessly reads through customer complaints, former insiders say, looking for problems or hints that an employee gave something away at his expense.

The Menard brothers are notorious for dressing down employees. In the arbitration case last August, former Menards assistant store manager Cory Lickiss testified under oath that the day before he resigned, Larry Menard had called him a “f-cking retard” in front of 15 customers and many employees.

“We used to joke when a letter came from headquarters that it would start with either “What the F…” or “Why the F…,” says former manager Bropst.

Corporate keeps a close eye on sales per customer per area, Larry Menard testified last August. Menards hired secret shoppers to evaluate service, a typical retail tactic, but it also had an extensive crew of merchandising and operations people who flew out of Eau Claire on six company airplanes seven days a week. Others hit the road in Menards’ fleet of cars to do inspections.

If John Menard was in a given city, he’d do his own, often in a crude, but unintentional, disguise. His hair color could be red, golden brown or shoe-polish black, says a former insider, explaining that one of Menard’s ex-girlfriends owns a salon. “She’s not a gifted colorist, but the price was right.”

The home office monitored every store’s security cameras for at least an hour a day. “We can see team members doing their job well or not doing their job,” Larry Menard told the arbitrator. “We can see too many carts, not enough carts. We can see lines at registers and do corrective action.” The result was often a blizzard of memos to store managers, insiders say.

Menards was adamant about keeping a union out of its stores. “When I was promoted to assistant general store manager, the first thing I had to do was go to a one-and-one-half-day seminar in Eau Claire about fighting unions,” says Baumann. “If a person had ever worked in a union shop, you couldn’t hire them.” Bropst was forced to fire two promising management trainees because they’d been baggers at a unionized grocery store while in high school.

Under Menards policy, managers would see their pay cut by 60 percent if their store became unionized, notes Iowa ex-manager Faber. And the pay for managers was generous: $80,000 to $200,000 a year with bonus and profit-sharing included. It was particularly good, given that more than half of Menards managers hadn’t graduated from college, Larry Menard testified.

But the corporate culture “just beat you down and made you feel you’re replaceable, and that you had no other options,” says Bropst. Most store managers haven’t lasted long enough to retire, insiders say.

Managers have to make do with very lean staffing. In 1996, the industry’s Home Channel News magazine called Menards’ staffing “remarkably frugal,” with 52 employees per store, including headquarters personnel, compared to Home Depot’s 195. Menards store managers make an annual pilgrimage to Eau Claire to “negotiate” their store’s budget, but couldn’t budge the number much, managers say.

Some budget-squeezed managers could be so short staffed, they had trouble meeting demands headquarters placed upon them. Managers who questioned the rules might do worse. All Menards managers must sign an agreement requiring them to go to arbitration – not the courts – if they have a dispute with the company. Moreover, they’d have to pay their own attorney’s fees and half the cost of the arbitrator, even if Menards was found at fault.

When an even more draconian clause was added later, Faber, the former Iowa store manager, questioned it and drew Larry Menard’s ire. The new dictate required that managers pay a $200 deductible if a delivery driver they hired was in a traffic accident. Faber testified later that Larry told him he’d “hire someone younger” who would probably do a better job for less money if Faber didn’t want the job.

“Questioning their policy was the beginning of the end,” Faber says now. Company audits soon began finding problems with how he operated his store.

Ultimately, Faber, a 20-year veteran of Menards who was then 48, was replaced by a 29-year-old. Faber was offered a demotion in a different city. He refused the transfer and filed an age discrimination complaint, but lost.

Talking to the arbitrator, Larry Menard described the company’s practice of demoting managers as a benevolent act, reserved for high-potential individuals who “have kind of gone astray” and needed time to reflect and “get their act back together.”

Menards offers the targeted employee another job, but always for less pay, at a lower rank, in a different city, so the employee must uproot his or her family.

Bropst, too, had dared to question an order, this time from John Menard.

“That was the beginning of the end of my career with them,” he says.

Larry Menard told Bropst he’d have to move. “They offered me another new store in Wilmer, Minn., and said ‘take it or leave it,’” he recalls. “I was nearly 40 years old and I figured it was time to stand up for myself … or I’d dance their tune forever.” Bropst quit.

When Bropst became the manager of a competitor’s crosstown store a few months later, Menards sued. “They wanted $25,000 from me for my non-complete clause.” Bropst spent $4,000 in legal fees, eventually getting the
case dismissed.

But Menard came back seeking an injunction against Bropst. “They tried to sue me for soliciting their employees,” he says. At that point, Bropst says, his new employer said “you’ve got a store to run,” and it joined in his defense. When Bropst showed up in court with the 50 applications he’d received over the Internet from Menards employees, the judge dismissed the complaint. And with his employer’s legal team involved, Menards’ suits stopped.

Bropst recounts horror stories of how other employees were handled.

One involved a North Dakota Menards store manager. The manager’s wife had triplets that came early and required special attention at the University of Minnesota Medical Center. The manager spent a small fortune on plane fare commuting back and forth. He still worked 35 to 40 hours, but his contract required a minimum of 55 a week, so his weekly pay dropped from $1,000 to $500 or $600, Bropst says. “Two of the babies didn’t make it, and John (Menard) fined him $2,000 [out of his bonus] because he had to bury two of his kids and didn’t put in 55 hours those two weeks.”

“John expects his employees to be like him,” says former Menards exec Archibald. “The company has to come first; families get in the way.”

But Archibald adds, “In John’s defense, the few times he has fallen for someone’s sorry-ass excuse, they’ve stabbed him in the back and left the job anyway.”

Most observers suggest those occasions have been rare, however. More often, Menard gets outraged at those who question how he runs the company he built. It’s about power, Archibald says. “Whatever he does, he does it because he can.”

The Price of Success
Edward Archibald served Menards for 27 years, including 15 years as its top merchandizing and marketing executive. Former company insiders describe him as John Menard’s “right-hand man.” But two years ago, John Menard accused him of taking a kickback from a supplier. Archibald demanded proof, he says, and when none was provided, walked out and never returned.

“I still love John like a brother,” Archibald swears, but he couldn’t stomach his treatment. “After 27 years, I expected more.”

Archibald and three other former Menards’ executives (two of whom asked for anonymity) offer a portrait of a boss whose great wealth hasn’t necessarily brought him happiness.

In 2002, Menard owed more in personal federal income tax than any other American: $228 million on $593 million in adjusted gross income. Menards Inc. had become an S-Corporation, where profits are passed on to owners and taxed at their personal tax rate, and John Menard owned 88.7 percent of the company.

Menard is not known as a philanthropist. “He doesn’t go for all these foundations and write-offs,” offers former Eau Claire state senator Dave Zien.

Greater Eau Claire Area Chamber of Commerce President Robert S. McCoy says Menard does support Regis High School, a Catholic school. “He’s probably done things people don’t see,” McCoy speculates.

Eau Claire’s city fathers would love to have “The Menard Center,” a civic and convention hub funded by the entrepreneur, but as Menard’s cousin Watson says, “I don’t see why John needs another building with his name on it; he’s already got over 200.”

Menard is frugal at home, too. He lives down the block from his brother, Larry, in the 1972 ranch he shared with his second wife, Paula Christine, and their three kids, J.R. (John R. Menard III), Paul C. and Molly C., until the couple divorced in 1993. The 11-room, one-story wood home has five bedrooms, three baths, two fireplaces and a property assessment of $425,000. It’s equipped with a big screen TV, and in the basement, a model railroad setup that “looks like something you see in the movies,” says Dominic Giuffre, who once tried to buy the Milwaukee Mile with John Menard. A former Menards exec calls the train set “John Menard’s perfect world,” because “he controls everything. Nothing moves without his approval.”

Menard’s divorce was triggered after Paula started taking tae kwon do classes, and John objected, and Paula objected to that. So says Archibald, who added that he’s spent more time with John Menard in the past 15 years than Menard’s own family has.

Paul, the race car driver, now 26, moved to North Carolina to get out of his father’s shadow, says Archibald. J.R., 28, and Molly, 23, work for Menards. All three have trust funds filled with Menards stock. Additional IRS cases show the Paul C. Menard 1985 Trust had a 2002 taxable income of $30.4 million; Molly’s trust, $4.5 million.

The end of John’s first marriage was messier, and John’s relationship with his two children from it, 43-year-old Renee and 40-year-old Christopher, is rockier. Archibald says the children have “never forgiven their father for having an affair with another woman while he was married to their mother.”

Menard had an out-of-wedlock daughter named Michelle, 39, who changed her last name to Menard and worked for the company for awhile.

Both Christopher and Renee worked for Menards, but when they were old enough – in their mid-30s – “they cashed their stock options and got $15 to $20 million in 1990 dollars and walked away,” says Archibald. Sources say Renee has rarely let Menard see his grandchildren by her. [Reached by phone, Renee laughed and said “No. No,” when asked to discuss her father. Milwaukee Magazinewas unable to reach the other Menard children.]

“John’s trying to buy off his younger children, so they won’t leave him, like the older ones did,” Archibald says. Within a few years, he says, the youngest will be eligible to start receiving money from their trust funds, but paid out in 10 annual installments instead of one lump sum.

“John Menard’s first, second and third true loves are Menards Inc. Everything – including his family – comes after that,” says Kight.

Adds Archibald, “He’s been a failure when it comes to his family, when it comes to relationships. He’s had six children by three women, married and divorced
two of them. And two long-running girlfriends, Darla [the hairstylist] and Debbie, an attorney.”

In late 2006, Menard broke up with his fiancée, Debbie, just two weeks after firing her sister, the company’s general counsel of 10 years, Dawn Sands. (Dawn Sands has filed an arbitration action against the company and declined to comment.)

Perhaps the closest relationship Menard ever had was with Indy racing driver Scott Brayton, who raced for Team Menard for four years. Brayton was quoted calling Menard “one of my dearest friends.” He would call Menard at home late at night and they’d talk for hours, Indy historian Davidson says.

But Scott died at age 37 in a 1996 crash at Indianapolis. Menard was at the racetrack, and comforted Lee Brayton, Scott’s father. Menard didn’t leave Lee’s side until after Scott’s wife and mother arrived. “John was very, very good to the family. He and others, Firestone, the Speedway, Dale Earnhardt Sr., Roger Penske, they contributed a lot of money for a scholarship for [Scott’s 2-year-old daughter] Carly,” Lee Brayton says.

Menard later hired Scott’s widow, Becky, to do public relations for his racing team, and allowed her to work from home.

But this sort of compassion was rare, his associates say. Menard’s style is suggested by how he paid people: As company president and CEO, his $20.6 million pay in 1998 included a bonus equal to 5 percent of the company’s before-tax profit, an arrangement he instituted in 1973.

Compensation for Menards’ other corporate officers, revealed in the company’s 1998 tax case, showed a massive drop from the CEO’s salary: operations manager Larry Menard at a $45,000 base salary and $180,000 bonus; John’s son, Christopher, then still with the company as corporate secretary and Eau Clare distribution center manager, at $172,815; Marvin Prochaska, head of real estate, at $121,307, and chief financial officer and treasurer Earl Rasmussen with $55,702.

A 2002 tax filing showed Menard owned 100 percent of the company’s voting stock and 56 percent of its nonvoting stock. Trusts named after Menard and his family members held the remaining shares.

None of Menard’s children want to take over their father’s business. John, now 67, had “a serious health scare,” a “prostate problem,” Archibald and others say, but he’s reportedly recovered.

Ander, the retail consultant, says that Menards Inc. has succeeded through strong leadership by “a benevolent dictator.” But after the dictator’s gone, “does the culture survive?” Ander asks. “Does the company?”

John Menard has made it clear his 33-year-old nephew Charlie Menard, Larry’s son, will be his successor. Menard named the race car driver (on the regional Midwest circuit), who’s never worked outside of the family firm, chief operating officer in 2005.

“He’s the only one that wants it, but he’s not capable,” says a former high-ranking executive. Former Menards executives describe Charlie as “a computer geek” and “a nice guy” who lacks the business and people skills to run the company.

“If they continue to mimic what’s being done today, they could survive a long time,” Archibald says, likening the company to great race car. Anyone can drive it, Archibald says, until it crashes. “When it comes to decisions about how far to expand, John had a wisdom that these people don’t.”

But it may not matter who becomes the next CEO. When John goes, Archibald predicts, Menards “is going to go up for sale and the kids will split up the proceeds.” If the new owner takes Menards’ concept nationwide, he adds, “they will eat Home Depot’s and Lowe’s lunch.”

Others are not sure. Can you separate the Menard concept from John Menard? He has controlled every aspect of the company since he started it. And it’s brought him extraordinary success, but has it brought contentment? Happiness isn’t as easily controlled.

“That’s the toughest question,” says former Menard engineering director Kight. “When he gets happy, I think he struggles with that. He distrusts that.”

And what does he trust?

“John’s life is his business,” Archibald says. “That’s it.”

Mary Van de Kamp Nohl is a senior editor at Milwaukee Magazine.

Sidebar:

Arsenic and Old Waste
John Menard’s many environmental violations.

John Menard and his company have had more run-ins with the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) than any other Wisconsin company, state justice department lawyers wrote in a complaint against Menard in 2005. DNR officials have cited Menards at least 13 times since 1976 for ignoring or violating state regulations related to air and water pollution and hazardous waste.

The company has had environmental problems in other states, too.
• In 1994, Wisconsin obtained a civil judgment against Menards for the unlicensed transportation and disposal of ash produced by incinerating CCA-treated lumber. Wood treated with CCA contains chromium, copper and arsenic – a known carcinogen. It is considered hazardous waste and requires proper disposal in a licensed landfill. The company was fined $160,000.

• In 1997, John Menard was caught using his own pickup truck to haul plastic bags filled with chromium and arsenic-laden wood ash to his own home for disposal along with his household trash. Menard pleaded no contest to felony and misdemeanor charges involving records violations, unlawful transportation and improper disposal of hazardous waste. Menard and his company were fined $1.7 million for 21 violations.

• In 2003, the Minnesota attorney general charged that Menards manufactured and sold arsenic-tainted mulch in packaging labeled “ideal for playgrounds and for animal bedding.” Warning labels from the CCA-treated wood were found in the mulch. The EPA recommends that CCA-treated wood not be converted into mulch. The case is still pending.

• In 2005, Menards agreed to a $2 million fine after Wisconsin DNR officials found a floor drain in a company shop that they believed was used to dump paint, solvents, oil and other waste into a lagoon that fed into a tributary of the Chippewa River. The sanction broke the previous record fine of $1.7 million set by Menard in 1997.

• In 2006, the construction of a $112 million warehouse became a campaign issue in the Wisconsin governor’s race. The warehouse was to be erected by filling in a .6-acre bean field the DNR considers a seasonal wetland used by migrating tundra swans. Menards offered to build a wetland more than twice its size as a replacement, but was rejected by Scott Humrickhouse, a DNR regional director. Humrickhouse said that solution could be used “only when every alternative for saving the original wetland was exhausted.” The increasingly heated dispute got considerable media coverage, with a DNR warden calling Menard’s general counsel a “legal bitch” and the company threatening to move jobs out of Wisconsin. Tempers seemed to cool after Gov. Jim Doyle arranged $4.2 million in state aide to help the company expand its Eau Claire manufacturing headquarters. Menard had previously contributed $20,000 to Doyle’s campaign.

Also in 2006: The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued an administrative order against Menards for damaging a Sioux Falls, S.D., stream that ran through its property by filling in 1,350 linear feet of the stream and replacing it with a 66-inch storm sewer pipe.


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487 Comments



>> posted by Todd Werner on 9/24/2007 10:20:27 AM
I worked for Menards for 25 years. From 1995 to 2004 I worked as a Buyer in the corporate office. I like many was suddenly re-assigned to another position that paid 65 percent less. I turned this down and left the company. The real reasons why this occured are unknown. This article is very accurate portrayal of the corporate culture at Menards.
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>> posted by Jeremy Woods on 9/24/2007 1:16:28 PM
Why haven't I heard any thing about this before. I LIke to concider myself a well informed person, and if I haven't seen this, how many other people are out there unaware of the horrible things this John Menards has done? I just think that this is awful and why hasn't something more been done about him? Thank you for the informative information and you have helped me change my view on where I shop for hardware needs.
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>> posted by Mike Meadows on 9/24/2007 9:27:16 PM
FYI, Menards requires its employees to pay for all breakages or losses that are their fault. They also deduct fines from managers weekly paychecks as punishment for various things like leaving signs up. Anyone in the State of Minnesota who works for or has worked for Menards is entitled to twice of any amount taken from their paychecks including deductions for Uniforms. To do this all you need to do is take them to small claims court.
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>> posted by MD on 9/25/2007 11:24:55 AM
I'm really confused about this article. John is what has made the company great. It is an awesome company to work for and for the past 16 years, I have watched it grow into something that Home Depot and Lowes fear intently. I know it's success is due to it's unique structure and founder. I understand that not all ex-employees of any company are going to be entirely happy with the circumstances surrounding their seperation. However, for every one ex-employee who was quoted in this article, I could find 10 current employees who would offer considerably more favorable views of Menards and John himself. I also know that the company is in very capable hands if and when John were to decide to leave (which I assure you is not in the forseeable future). The unnamed person quoted with regards to the capablities of future leaders of Menards obviuosly has no knowledge of those leaders. Don't be fooled, Menards is here to stay.
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>> posted by Jerry on 10/14/2007 1:32:47 PM
I work at Menards and any voice of concern or question regard Menards policies is quickly shut down. If an employee seems unhappy they are quickly fired or scared into thinking they will be fired. Menards is the best example of how modern companies get around labor protection laws designed to protect employees. Most employees I know are very unhappy with their jobs but are much to fearful of losing their jobs to speak up and make things better.

On a side note I have heard that Home Depot, although not the best place to work for, provides much better pay, pays for uniforms and badges and provides their employees with a voice in the company.
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>> posted by colleen on 10/23/2007 1:24:40 PM
what's the big deal, take a look at our goverment and all the bad things they do. John worked and is doing what he wants......and i will continue to go there and get my things ......at least he didnt fly over a few states with loaded nuclear material......now that, i think was a big dangerous mistake....who was responsible...Our beloved protectors.....is John out there making wars and getting our kids killed........duh?
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>> posted by colleen on 10/23/2007 1:38:57 PM
Managers are forbidden from building their own homes, as protection against the possibility that they may steal building materials. And private investigators have been hired to check whether employees who undertake even minor home-improvement projects are using pilfered supplies....... I know of a guy and his crew that all built homes from a local lumber yard and supplies that they slowly but steadly stole..they are all old and gone now. but i understand why John forbids this....I dont blame him.....we are a Christian country, but we still are sinners...he didnt get were he is by giving to charities......i dont blame him there either......I use to give to my church....but when i saw we paid a womans electric bill.......and saw her coming out out of wal mart with a boy friend...beautiful fake finger nails and smoking like a hot shot in her car.......while her electric bill was paid by some of my tithes.....I said Sorry Lord..but i will give were i see fit....you go John boy.......no one knows what is in your heart..........
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>> posted by Kirby Mole on 10/24/2007 5:26:42 PM
I guess Charlie Menard won't be the future leader of the Menard empire. John fired him 2 days after Charlie's wedding on Oct 20. Heck of a wedding gift. I worked at Menard's HQ for almost 3 years and it is a tough place to work but can be rewarding if you can deal with the culture and have little fear of loosing teh job or leaving for better lands at the drop of a hat
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>> posted by Matt on 10/29/2007 4:38:00 PM
To expand with the posting from Kirby Mole. Charlie Menard had invited vendors who happened to be good friends of his to his own wedding. This apparently got John so mad that John confronted his nephew Charlie at his wedding reception. Charlie understandibly got upset and either told John to leave or something similar, so John fired the number 2 guy of Menards a billion dollar company at his wedding reception. The formal announcement was not until the following Monday 2 days later What a Mickey Mouse CEO and organization and by far John Menards has to be the cheapest Billionaire on the planet. If there is a way, John Menard will try to take his money with him and buy the biggest coffin there is to fit it all in there. Actually John will recycle the arsenic laden wood and probably build his own coffin and get his vendors to pay for the manufacturing of it.
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>> posted by mike on 11/2/2007 1:26:39 AM
I can tell you that I will continue to do my part by taking my business somewhere else. I have never really choosen to shop at Menard's because of the abuse within his company. I hope that someday Mr. John Menard can someday feel the pain that he has caused so many people out there. I would also like to see the man spend the due time in jail that he deserves for the illegal business practices. He should probably make Governor Doyle his new COO siince Doyle's already on his payroll. Menard is a CROOK.
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>> posted by j on 11/5/2007 12:46:48 PM
EVERY company utilizes those practices. most corporate loads more than menards for sure.
The vendors typically play a role at schmoozing their relations and typically have corrupt corporate personell. John Menard simply identified that and addressed it and now they gave their enormous wedding gifts in vain to an individual.
smart really, if you think about it.
Also, working for menards has been one of the best jobs I've ever had.
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>> posted by vicki on 11/5/2007 11:09:43 PM
After reading this article, I can honestly say that I will NEVER step foot in a
Menards again! We have enough environmental contamination in our country as it is, and why anyone on this planet would want to work for such a jerk is well beyond me. This man has no heart and does not deserve to have ANYONE shop there. John, in the business world, word of mouth can either be your best friend, or your worst enemy. I hope this article is read all over the Midwest. I, like most Americans, treasure the earth that we have, and we certainly do not need someone like you to contaminate it.
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>> posted by yuly Osorio on 11/15/2007 10:34:22 AM
All empires fall at the end. I worked there for a little bit more than a year, and it took me two months to understand that Menards is not a good place to be. Is like being in the past, in some kind of obscure cult, you can think, you can talk, you can disagree, you can even work. They do not train any body, they do not pay you well, they do not give you the tools to do your job, their say is "get it done" even if it cost you your life. If you need a pencil, they wait until a vender gave them examples to give it to you. Some of their managers are allowed to insult you and say the F Word all de time at you, and if you are a woman do not even waste your time breathing, you're stupid, even when you have more than 10 years of experience in your field, two diplomas, and speak and write two languages. I can spend my day talking about the horrible things about this company, but thank god I am out of there. The only positive thing is their wonderful -still oppressed- people that work there under their retarded management and leadership.
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>> posted by concerned citizen on 11/23/2007 5:38:32 AM
thanks for writing this expose. it is refreshing to see a member of the press out there getting the real story. john menard is merely the tip of the iceberg that has become american business. a few people at the top of the food chain harvest all the wheat and leave the chaff for everyone else. i honestly don't know when this evil disease of pernicious greed is going to stop. capitalism is still the best system of allocating the scarce resources with the proviso that those who are in control have not sold their souls for the god almighty dollar. i am a student of history and i remember a quote from many year's ago: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! i will pray that john menard see's the light.
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>> posted by crystal on 12/1/2007 8:28:27 PM
this is messed up how he treats people
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>> posted by mike on 12/3/2007 1:46:34 PM
i worked for menards from 1995-2003. The job only pays well if you want to be in management and put up with all the b.s. and you are single and willing to work the minimum 55 hours. If those of you still working there could only figure out that having weekends off and working 40-45 hours a week, your entire outlook on life changes for the better. I left and within 2 years of leaving i was able to get my salary back to what i was making at menards. but i would not go back there ever to work. I have personally seen larry menard clean off a desk in a rage and then tell a part time kid to clean it up. Dictatorship is the perfect word when explaining menards. You can express your ideas but make sure you put them so john can think he came up with it. Heaven forbid these billionaire owners ever think about giving extra money to an employee to their 401k or what have you, more than what the employee has earned as a good gesture and a "thank you" for your hard work. There is no gray area when it comes to the policies from menards. I remember getting fined 25 cents per missing price tag out of my bonus. Even if there were 2 stacks of the item and only one had a price tag you got fined. I definately do not shop there anymore
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>> posted by Worker on 12/6/2007 8:22:44 AM
I see everyone complain that they dont get thanks from John Menard. Is it possable that the one that complains does not deserve praise? I shop at Menards weekly and have for years. I have yet to see anyone breaking back to get anything done. In fact its hard to get help some days. I see lots of hanging out and not much helping customerts. If I were John I would not praise for mediocor work. And neither would any of you.
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>> posted by joe night on 12/11/2007 1:03:44 PM
I worked for Menards Inc. for 16 years. I worked in Sales and the Front Office. Although I believe there is room for improvements it is a good place to work for the right person.
Those with no families and no friends.
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>> posted by Deuce on 12/11/2007 9:14:12 PM
I had the 'pleasure' of being a security supervisor at the headquarters and distribution center in EC from late 06 to early 07. The best way to describe how cheap Menard was to look at the company vehicles. Although the executive cars were nice, the trucks used by the Facilities office were more than 10 years old. The truck used by the security officers would break down constantly- it was a 97 Dodge pickup that had more new or replacement parts than the original parts. One time during a snowstorm the truck broke down on a Sunday morning and my officer had to walk close to a mile back to the Facilities office to get a different truck. And the replacement was an Isuzu truck with a rear gate that was rusted off!

As for being paranoid, Menard had two seperate security companies on site so they could "watch" each other. Security officers were unable to fraternize with any Menard employee away from the site, and if an officer previously worked for any home improvement or hardware store, they could not be placed at the HQ or DC.

The best laugh I had while working there was walking into the General Office. The richest man in Wisconsin had his office in a large, ranch-style building with a bay window at the end. With the long hallways on both ends and the small offices with paper thin walls, it felt like walking into an older, suburban style medical office than the HQ doe the third largest home-improvement chain in the US!
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>> posted by md on 12/12/2007 7:03:15 AM
Hey "Deuce"! Ever think that's how the guy became successful in the first place. When you don't inherit fame and fortune, Frugality and conservatism is the only way to get there.
Let's face it, the folks who despise John, who are taking time to comment negatively to this article, (including obviously the author of this article)-
A- are jealous of John and secretly envy him
B- Didn't work well enough to deserve continued employment.
C- Don't know him enough to make these judgements.
D- All of the above.
Give the guy the respect that he deserves. No, he's not a saint. Not many of those saint-like billionaires out there are there?
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>> posted by nonam04 on 12/17/2007 7:32:28 PM
i work for him. i dont even know what to say. im just a college kid trying to get work to make it through and now i feel bad that i work there because of how he has treated his other employees.
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>> posted by bw on 12/18/2007 11:33:49 AM
I worked for Menards twice from 1994 to 2002 working my way up to a buyer at the corporate office. In November of 2002 I left the company after having dinner with a sales rep from one of Menards vendors. A company whose multi-million dollar program I had taken to another company because it saved Menards over 500,000 dollars a year in product costs. John; who happened to be having dinner at the table next to us with his brother Larry and son J.R., declared that I had violated one of his multitudes of company policies; rather than argue with him, I left the company.

In June of this year, I agreed to re-join the company; on the Midwest Manufacturing side, as transportation manager for their new Dc in Ohio. Four months later I was ordered fired, not because of job performance but because my name came up at a board meeting on October 16 and John remembered that dinner five years ago and decided that agreeing to re-hire me was the wrong thing to do. He told my bosses to get rid of me. I have since accepted a new position at twice the pay, 40 hours per week vs. 60 - 65 and benefits that Menards could never dream of offering.

Menards has a great concept and a lot of excellent dedicated employees. They also have two leaders in John and Larry who are both certifiable lunatics.
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>> posted by Menard Truth on 12/19/2007 4:51:15 PM
Get out as fast as you can! That is my advice. I spent 13 miserable years there before I left. I took a small pay cut but I work M-F 8 to 5 and absoultley love what I do. As far as John and Larry go, there will more people in the cheering section rather in mourning section when they pass away. How unfortunate to live your life as they have. Really is rather a pathetic excistance.
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>> posted by Menard Futility on 12/21/2007 10:52:41 PM
This company could care less about the employees who helped build it and who have put up with John and Larry. Beware to all who still work there. Don't put your heart into a company that could care less about what you have done for it.
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>> posted by menard employee2007 on 12/22/2007 6:42:56 PM
The article is an accurate discription of the company as a whole, I work for them currently and have for several years each year I learn more and more how little they care about their employees I strongly advise anyone that reads this that is thinking of applying DON'T!!!! it's not worth your time money can be good but it is by no means steady work.
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>> posted by practical individual on 12/25/2007 1:25:34 AM
These "complainers" are an indication of the "workers" for menards! Not the company.

These people are complaining about the most powerful retailer in their state typically and they have not got off there butts and done anything themselves. It is people that make the community what it is, not the otherway around. I work for Menard myself. A great company that only is growing.

There is always room for advancement for people with good attitudes, not bad. Hence, the "former" employees with bad attitudes.

I come from a larger city-company and understand what the typical workers do not. There is more down to earth caring for the environment and employees here than the majority of corporate entities. You'll have to trust me on that since your most likely living in some cornfield infested area of the midwest where people will like to complain about anything and everything that is good for them or not.

I will admit that the general corporate Office is a shambled and horribly built shack. And that there is no excuse for bathrooms in such a bad condition (for a 6 billionaire)
But, none of my busness really!
Menards is a great place to work and it still is a supposed free country. So, lay off the man and the way its run unless you can prove to do better.




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>> posted by MD on 1/1/2008 6:15:59 PM
I read these comments and all I hear is jealousy.

I have been employed for 16 years for Menards and I know their ways are unique. I also see what the competition does and I realize the different style that the Menards has is why it's kicking the crud out of those other guys who can't thrive in any Menards market.

As for the people who claim Menards is a poor place to work and have been somehow wronged by the company--- whatever! Yes, there are personnel moves and decisions that have to be made along the way, as there is in any company in the world. The vast majority of the folks who are "let go" by Menards did something so incredibly stupid, it astounds those of us who are still employed.

As for the comments that you can't have ideas or opinions--- also hogwash! I have been in a position of upper management for over 12 years of my career and I have NEVER been accused of keeping my opinions to myself. Menards is always seeking better, more efficient ways to do things and appreciates input and innovation.

Everyone who has been terminated by Menards has been let go for some reason that is justified or else they would be in current litigation. For those people, please refrain from your biased and non-factual opinions.

For those of you on the outside looking in at Menards through the window of this article with no personal knowledge of John or Menards itself... Trust me, someone who has nothing to gain by writing these things, the following hold true.

Menards is a great company which is feared by ANY and ALL home improvement retailers.
Menards is a great place to work with rewards for hard work.
John Menard, while unique, is a success story that alot of people envy.

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>> posted by M.E. on 1/5/2008 7:48:30 AM
Where to begin?I'll start with talking about John's family life.You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.What sacrafices would you or have you made to protect your families from having to face all the pains of everyday living?There are people who would consume others if not being consumed themselves.I personally had contact with Mr Menard,once to help out a friend of a friend after the west coast was shut down to logging due to a species of bird being deemed disappearing.He called personally to try to improve the situation.The second time it was purely selfish on my part.I wanted to make some money.He gave me a personal letter to access his purchasing department.I have this letter still and plan on using soon.You can't find another person in the world that would take their time to do these things when they get to a level that he has.He loves his family ,that is apparent to me because of this article.I'll never read this magizine,ever.You guys most likely won't even publish this.Again you don't have the right in my opinion to go the personal levels you did.You don't know what is in his heart and you never will because it is none of your business.I'm sorry Mr.Menard there are people like this that can't wait to speculate on others reasons of being.One more thing I have a person experience that I wish I felt like talking to you people about pertaining to policy he has about managers building homes.My mother was driven out of business because she didn't have such a policy in place.That is the reality people they are out there beware,eat them before they eat you.
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>> posted by Former Corporate Employee on 1/5/2008 3:17:37 PM
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>> posted by Former Corporate Employee on 1/5/2008 3:21:48 PM
Leave Leave Leave! When I left Menards they begged me to stay because I was one of the best purchasing analysts they have ever had. I switched to another retailer and could not be happier. I am now paid salary (instead of a low hourly wage) and have great benefits. Menards health insurance is so bad I dont think that you can even call it a benefit (more like a slap in the face). My new company actually cares about me, which is a great feeling.
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>> posted by Former Corporate Employee on 1/5/2008 3:22:22 PM
John Menard is extremely successful because he only cares about himself. His philosophy is, If you dont like it, leave, and I would recommend doing exactly that. As a corporate employee, I got to see first hand just how much of a shrewd business man that John is. The turnover at corporate is extremely high, and any current employee wants to leave, guaranteed! Anyone sticking up for corporate on this article was probably paid to write it.
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>> posted by Former Corporate Employee on 1/5/2008 3:22:29 PM
Unfortunately, Menards does have good prices because they beat up on their vendors so badly, and dont pay their employees. To any customers who read this, I would strongly recommend shopping at Home Depot or Lowes because they are not ruled by a dictator. To any current employee who reads this, Get out now, you will be so happy that you did!
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>> posted by Mark B on 1/5/2008 5:52:18 PM
How can you hate on the place that pay's you bills so john's greedy and larry's crazy big deal no body is holding a gun to you head making you work there, if you don't like the job or how they run it quit, I am a building materials manager in one of the michigan stores and I see at least 30 applications come in each day for people more then willing to take any job in the entire store for half the pay that any single person makes there an hour and probably do a much better job, 80 percent of the managers in the store level don't have a day of college under there belt and make any where from fortyfive and two hundred thousand dollars a year how can you hate on that? Menards has made me a better worker beacause of there military like work environment and I respect that of course theres things that I don't like about my job but that comes with every job I still go there evry day and bust my butt because it's my job and I choose to be there. So until your name is on the front of there buildings theres not much you can say about the way the company is ran, It's a free country people leave when you want and speak up when you want but remember there are consiqueces with every action.
Mark B
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>> posted by Good Luck on 1/5/2008 6:37:39 PM
Mark B, BM manager from a Michigan Store, my guess is that you will be fired on Monday for calling John greedy and Larry crazy. Good Luck!
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>> posted by ME on 1/8/2008 6:55:32 AM
How much do you think a positive comment would be valued at?I'd like to submit a bill.It's my guess that this article doesn't affect nor worry Mr Menard in the least.Therefore it isn't worth the time spent writing it.The truth for someones experiences is free and I admire the man for his sacrifices that are passed on to the consumers that are at the bottom of the food chain.His vendors wouldn't do the deal if they couldn't make money.Would you rather they made the money than passing it on to us?Keeping them in check is how we"SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS".Now that's got to be worth something!
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>> posted by former WI resident on 1/9/2008 3:23:22 PM
My Dad just told me about this article and even though it was written nearly a year ago, it's telling that people are still writing comments about it. A few of my friends worked at the headquarters just out of college and they have really poor things to say about the working environment. Having worked at Best Buy's headquarters myself, I thought they were just commenting on the usual brain-washing those places try to make their employees believe. After reading this article, I'm totally shocked at the practices of this company. I had a different impression of Menards--family friendly, local success story, etc. Knowing what I do now, I will not spend my money there. Yes, there are many stories like this in American business practices, but now that I actually am aware of John Menard's behavior, I can't shop there in good faith.
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>> posted by open minded on 1/10/2008 7:56:54 AM
Hey John; I hope you read this.Remember before you; the DNR harassed that fella by Jim Falls that made ethanol,but he died and gave the DNR to you. I'm glad you got your money back from the state of WI plus interest (fines verses tax credits). How ever that makes you a good businessman and Gov Jim Doyle a crook. Gov Doyle also sold his sole to Marten Transport.However Randy Marten only received 1 million for his campaign contribution so you did good. I milked cows for your dad and he was a very nice man,a collage professor right? Your a college grad now I under stand your mom was a educator too. So what I don't get; is the fact that you cut a full time employees wages to a part time rate if they become a student!!!!! I know you worked and built pole sheds while attending college but did you give the farmer a discount because you were a student?

PS. If I'm thinking right Dale JR is a very popular nascar driver and stepping on him like I think you are(maybe taking over DEI) is maybe not going to bother you or Menard's today but don't you think your kids and Menard's may have egg on there face somewhere down the road?
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>> posted by randolph kania(mayor) on 1/11/2008 9:03:54 PM
I happened upon your article while looking for a Menards corporate website to forward my complaints about a recent experience involving inadequate stock on sale items.What a pitiful,greedy,self-centered guy this person is.He reminds me of Mr. Potter in that Jimmy Stewart "Christmas Story" movie.He will be judged accordingly when he gets his turn at those pearly gates.Meanwhile the following is a part of an e-mail I sent to "Ray" at Guest Services. "Ray there is nothing further you can do to help.My experience with Menards and the home improvement warehouse concept as a whole,with the carnival atmosphere and psuedo interpersonal sales associates,has driven me back to the small guy.I might have to pay a little bit more and that's fine because he makes himself personally accountable.His prioritization skills and product knowledge were'nt taught in a classroom,he comes by them honestly.I can count on him and his word and I don't get shuffled from person to person.I even apologized for forsaking him in order to try to save a couple of bucks.There,after almost 4 months, I Can finally say I feel OK about the hoops I had to jump through that got me nowhere.Menards does'nt owe me a thing.As a matter of fact maybe I should thank You for reconnecting me with the little guy and helping him to survive.I prefer his business model and his sincerity,something that only seems to happen on a smaller scale.You have taught me that BIG is'nt always better.Stick that in your business psych pipe and smoke it." I'm sure it gave "Ray" in Guest Services a chuckle while he was deleteing it.For the rest of You please consider patronizing the little guys of our country before we have no choice but to make "Mr.Potter" even richer and are forced to eat what the Waltons' choose to sell us.
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>> posted by MD on 1/21/2008 6:40:16 AM
Mr. Mayor above,
Your use of the english language as well as the need to inform us all of your elected title shows an obvious craving for self-justification.
Feel free to shop at the "small guy", Mr. Mayor....PLEASE! However, you know NOTHING of Mr. John Menard. Neither do most that are led to comment on this article. After all, they are just that, comments on an article that has some very biased views and express mostly one side of this story regarding Menards, it's ownership and the people employed by the company.
The fact of the matter is that not one current employee was interviewed for this article. Wouldn't all businesses receive equally low marks if we searched out ex-employees and ex-vendors who had been released from their employment or with whom they no longer conducted business?
So, please, without any firsthand knowledge of the company, do not pass judgement on the company that I, like thousands of others, have dedicated my professional life to. Others, who feel as though they have been wronged by the company in some regard, will obviously have a tainted view on Menards and from what I can tell, life.
No, I am not paid to say these things. In fact, knowing John, he would probably prefer I didn't pick up the gauntlet and defend him. But someone needs to.
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>> posted by ME on 1/25/2008 3:36:45 PM
Thanks for the comments MD.I too have been keeping of record throughout this.I also felt like writing to that gentleman but erase my comments.You forgot to mention however his references to TV.LA LA land.15 million dollars to the hospital is also worthy of mentioning.Thank you Mr.Menard for the people.We appreciate your efforts in keeping the prices low at your expense.I will continue to visit this site until it fissles out.This is a great injustice to the man who will give the majority a shot at improving their positions in the world.You and me MD.Respect brother.
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>> posted by B. Judge, Mpls, A Formerly Frequent Customer on 1/29/2008 7:07:52 PM
Ironically, I used to get a "down home" feeling upon entering a Menards store. The goofy impulse and grocery items made it feel more like an old-time hardware store than a "big-box retailer". But, after reading this article and what sad lunatics the Menard brothers are... I think I'll have to pass on future visits. I'm sure my absence won't put a dent in John's exhorbitant salary, but you start pullin sticks out one by one and sooner or later, the house comes down. You treat people like garbage and conduct yourself like an embarassing, arrogant fool and you get what you deserve. Damn glad not to be a member of that family, no matter the size of the trust fund.
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>> posted by dee on 1/31/2008 8:40:48 PM
I worked for Menards 1987. They did provide training and sent employees to seminars. However I feel they sometimes discriminate against women. Another female and I worked very hard and were picking up department managers slack. We were doing management responsibilities and had more knowledge than some of the managers. When management positions opened, neither of us were considered but they continued to move disfunctional male managers around from one department they were failing at to another just to keep the male in a management position. I also agree you cannot voice your opinion. I transfered to another store and worked my but off to be considered for a department manager. My manager at the time made it miserable for me forcing me to do more work than any other employee in that department and when I voiced my opinion to a district manager I was fired the next day and was told to never work for menards again. The assistant store manager did not agree but he could not say anything or he would be out the door too. I was very cival this was not an attitude problem because i did all the work I was asked and more. I wanted to work a magamement position there but the district manager had gone back on his word and I questioned it. That was the wrong thing to do. Now I realize it was a blessing. Fleet Farm Hired me on the spot and put me in a department head position. Menards is blind to some of the potential employees they have.
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>> posted by discruntled vendor on 2/5/2008 4:05:11 PM
Menards are also stingy on paying their contractors and subcontractors. I own a business and did some work on a new store they were buliding. They do everything in their power to reject pay requests from contractors on work that is done on their new buildings. My company credit has suffered because of this. Does anyone know about the plaque on the wall of John Menards office "Top Ten Reasons Not To Pay An Invoice"? Enough Said
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>> posted by Jim on 2/7/2008 2:18:08 PM
My brother is a division manager for a large commercial construction company in central Illinois. His company was approached by Menards to bid on store construction in that area. When Menards builds a store they will purchase all materials themselves and furnish them to the general contractor. This is a cost saving measure that keeps them from paying the markup on materials a contractor would charge. Unfortunately the contractor is responsible for building a store with materials he has no control over such as quality or timely delivery. After checking around with folks familiar with contractors who had built 2 previously stores for Menards in the area he found out that the contractors were still trying to get paid years after construction was complete. They found any and every excuse not to pay invoices. After hearing of this my brother cordially declined their "request for quote".
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>> posted by mayor on 2/9/2008 12:39:00 PM
Mr.and Mrs.MD ME it's pretty obvious that You both "belong" to the Menards.If You go back on the records that you're keeping You will see 11 comments from devoted associates(including 7 as a result of your collaboration) and 31 comments from unhappy folks.That doesn't sound like bias it sounds like a pattern.The naysayers outnumber the lackeys.Strange it's almost a year since this article appeared and people are still willing to comment.I guess that happens when you get something stuck in your.....craw
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>> posted by MD (bleed blue 166) on 2/10/2008 10:28:53 AM
Yep, Mr. Mayor, I am extremely proud to say that I do belong to Menards. That's, I guess, my point. What corporate employee that has been terminated from their employment has good things to say about their former employer? Menards IS a great place to work. Those of us who care to work for a living and don't expect to gain something for nothing enjoy and thrrive in the environment that we are in. Most former employees that have poor things to say about Menards and John himself know nothing of hard work. The former employees who do work hard, simply overesitmate their intelligence level. Trust me, it's brutally difficult for a hard working, dedicated employee to be terminated from Menards. However,it still baffles me sometimes when people make choices that leave the rest of us wondering what the heck they were thinking once they are gone.
As for you. You are among the worst group. One with no personal, first-hand knowledge of what you're talking about. Yet, as you say, a year later you are still foaming at the mouth to make yourself out to be somewhat of an expert on Menards (maybe because as a politician you're used to babbling). Do this site and "pissed consumer.com" and any other site you choose to ramble on.....Abstain! Leave it to the folks who have knowledge of facts. I would much rather have a conversation defending John Menard with someone who has any clue to the validity of their statements.
You're too easy to prove wrong!
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>> posted by mayor on 2/11/2008 7:18:34 PM
MD Please accpt my appologies for believing all the trash that was printed about your dear freind.I'm sure he finds comfort in knowing he has such a devoted employee defending him.Has his legal team considered initiating libel proceedings against the perpetrators.And all those hurtful comments,why must people be so cruel,don't they realize John has feelings too?I am certain that you are right.Every terminated former team member is probably fabricating lies just to be vindictive and to conceal their own inadaquacies.How about that Helget guy,what was he thinking?Wouldn't it have been easier to institutionalize his daughter.Imagine letting her disability interfere with his career and his "real family".And how about that Bropst guy,what a traitor,does'nt he realize how much John was hurt by his betrayal.Then theres that undeserving nephew.What was he thinking,freinds from outside the organization,thats a strict no-no.It's probably good that John terminated Charlie before he was in a position to ruin the company with his liberal ideas.Good luck on your career MD it sounds like you are a model employee created in Johns' image.When the time comes to look for a sucessor would you be interested?In the meantime you might find a little something extra in your pay envelope I should hope. You deserve it.Oh by the way,never divulge any privileged company information to any customers.For instance,should a customer ask you about the brown stain on your nose,just tell them you just cleaned up a paint spill on aisle 15.
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>> posted by Tool Shop on 2/12/2008 4:56:48 PM
I am currently employed by Menards, and at a small amount of worry because Menards always has spies, I can substantiate almost every claim in this article from experiences either I or someone I have known have gone through. I have personally forgiven everyone who hurt me (including Larry who ripped me a new one this last summer for no fault of my own), and I pray for the Menards family that they might see the light someday. God bless you Menards, not because you're good but because God is. That's the message of forgiveness.
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>> posted by mayor on 2/12/2008 6:40:18 PM
And the stories keep mounting.Mary Van de Kamp Nohl might end up with enough material for a complete book before the site loses its contributors,which wont happen for a long time.Thank You Mary for a great expose',I hope You still monitor your creation.Thats the thing about tyrants,people love to see them brought down even figuratively.Injustice never garners respect for anyone and there's a lot of bad karma floating down the aisles of your freindly neighborhood Menards.Spies you say,that sounds like a very insecure environment.And kind of creepy too.Even for the customers.
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>> posted by MD on 2/13/2008 7:10:46 AM
Mayor,
Again I ask what personal knowledge do you have? Did you know Charlie's back? Didn't think so. You're a real knowledgable gem and continue to prove it. You have made your baseless opinion known. Maybe someday your mind will fill that big head of yours.
Until then the rest of us will bask in your glory knowing that you are the foremost opionion on whatever hits your fancy. You are the defender of all that is good. You are the judge of all those you don't know and no doubt the "Mayor" of some pathetic little town who has unjustifiably given you a false sense of worth.
John has no idea who writes the MD in his defense nor does he probably want to be defended. He has no "spies" as my well-intended yet misguided friend Tool Shop suggests. I am just a guy who has devoted his career to a company he has seen do more good than bad. Sure, Menards has done some things which I have questioned. But, for the vast majority, it is a stellar company devoted to it's employees and it customers.
Really, Mayor, give it a break. I know you think you have championed a cause. But, really, it is just you and I who give a crap. Do you have ANY idea as to the validity of these comments? Because I do...and hardly any hold water.
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>> posted by ME on 2/17/2008 3:29:51 PM
Mr. Mayor,
I am ME the one who you refer to as MD's partner.That is extremely offensive and I believe you are a piece of crap for insulting me.If MD is the Mr. part of your insult that would make me a girl.If indeed MD is the Mrs I believe that would make me gay.I am neither sir.I would challenge you to a duel if I knew who you were.A duel of wits knowing I'm smarter than you.I am not part of the Menards organization but yes I do admire what he has done and passed on to all of us keeping the big guys in check.Thank you John for that.If he hadn't put himself there the competition would not have had the additional pressure to keep their prices low.Again I have a personal experience that benefitted me, an act by John Menard that went along way for me as far as my pursuits.I so wish I could be a mayor like sir but I'm not.I hope you receive a better deal at your little guys store.
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>> posted by Tim on 2/18/2008 6:54:16 PM
I worked at Menards for a year and a half, working into management in short order. I have mixed feelings about my time there still. I got what I wanted: a job where I could make money if I wanted to and be able to continue to do so by working up in the company. However, I eventually left when I had to constantly look over my shoulder for store managers even when I was doing everything right. I worked in a store in which the GM was extremely motivated to have the "best" store in the company and tolerated absolutely nothing. I couldn't stand the culture of vultures that is anyone in upper management. Criticisms came from everyone and were aimed at everyone, not just me. I no longer wanted to walk on eggs ***** at work. Sales and payroll expectations were set so low as to require understaffing. Also, the 16 hour Saturdays were catching up to me. I thank Menards for the opportunity, but beg anyone who works there and is able to quit to do so. Your family will thank you and the time with them will be a greater reward than any money Menards might pay you.
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>> posted by mayor of patheticville on 2/19/2008 8:39:30 PM
Yes MD you have exposed me for the fraud that I really am.I know nothing about the inner world of Menards but as this site circulates through your company,and you know it does,more and more worms are exposed.The way you belittle anyone opposed to the status quo proves the kind of culture that exists in Menards management,a collection of antagonistic tyrants who give thumbs down at will with very little reason and derive some perverse pleasure watching people suffer.Does your performance review rate you on your brutality?Are you required to make heads roll to justify your position?These people who comment can't all be liars.And I have no doubt that the shark at the top of the food chain is fully aware of this site and would love to see it silenced.Who knows,with his money,it could very well happen.Meanwhile I sit in my pathetic little town and enjoy the sideshow.
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>> posted by MD on 2/25/2008 6:08:28 AM
Whatever you say mayor!
I would really enjoy sharing the truth with you. But, it's obvious you can't see the truth. I don't know if this gets in the "inner circle" of Menards or not. I'm guessing no, since most of us at Menards have real work to do. Sit back and enjoy the "sideshow" as you call it. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. But, I'm sure you think you do.
Done for now, going back to work.
MD
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>> posted by mayor on 2/26/2008 7:11:57 PM
You post at 6 08 Monday morning and say that you have to get to work.Either you can't wait to discredit the latest post,with the blessings of upper management,or you are just plain nuerotic.You are right though no one really cares that much.So why have you become the defender of everything Menards?What incentive do you have if?There can't be more than a few dozen posts in almost a year yet you try to silence every single one.You are a strange one Mr. Grinch if I didn't know better I could suspect that it's really you John or Larry or Moe or Curly.This dialouge could have ended long ago if only you hadn't begun the insults.I don't feel singled out however since you have insulted most every detractor thats posted a comment.I guess thats just how you were trained to communicate with someone you feel you are superior to.
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>> posted by MD on 2/27/2008 6:04:38 PM
You are a case. Enjoyed the banter. Would have enjoyed it more with someone with any firsthand knowledge, but, oh well!
Good luck oh ye crusader of the truth......hope you find some someday to champion. You didn't find any in this story.
Last quips,
MD (bleedblue 166)

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>> posted by JM on 2/28/2008 1:32:06 PM
Is Charlie in the same position that he was prior to being walked out last fall?

My guess is no.
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>> posted by AJ on 3/4/2008 11:45:31 PM
I have been with Menards for over four years. I believe Menards itself is a great company with many benefits offered to its employees. Menards, of course, is doing very well, unlike Home Depot, who is laying off employees and hiring new employees for lower pay, and Lowes, well I can't really say much about them, except that multiple guests in the city that i work in where a new Lowe's recently opened, say that they are more expensive and team members are not helpful. I admit going to the competitors frequently to kind of spy on them, but i dont really see much. Meaning, there are very few team members and very few guests, and expensive merchandise. When i saw in this article that Home Depot returned a set of tires that obviously weren't purchased there seeing how they don't sell tires, i was appalled. I laugh when i hear "the customer is always right." I do not agree. Yeah, you could return an item if you don't happen to have your receipt, but if it isn't even sold there, then why? Ok, so yeah Menards fines its managers when they do something wrong, for that exact reason, they did something wrong. What is wrong with that? For the person that commented that they will never step foot in a menards again, because of "environmental contamination..." Who are you to say he is a jerk? Has he done something to you personally? Probably not, you are just someone with a big ego and nothing better to do. John Menard is a great man that started something from scratch and has turned it into a HUGE business! For the person commenting on empires failing at the end, hear this...Menards does train everybody, they do pay very well for this type of business, and they give you many tools to do your job. The place you worked at for a whopping year was maybe one of those few where the managers actually suck...the managers...not MENARDS! Speaking and writing two languages has nothing to do with working at Menards. If you have 10 years experience and two diplomas you should know how to do your job before even getting there. Why would they have to train you?! You were likely one of those people that started there and were 'overqualified.' You had a big ego and probably did't want to learn, cause you 'knew it all.' As for the person who commented on Dale Jr...Get a Life! Good grief, John Menards will not take over DEI. WOW. Also, if an employee is full time and becomes a student, yeah they have to take a cut in hours. So what?! It's not like they can work 55 hours and go to college so what's the big deal. Look, i could go on and on about this crap. Menards is a great company to work for. John Menard is not a bad guy, look how successful he is. He has accomplished alot. I recommend working for Menards to all those who are reading this. Don't listen to all the negative people on here. They are just jealous of his successfulness. As for the people that currently work for Menards and don't like it...Do us all a favor and LEAVE if you don't like it so much. As somebody commented before, 'nobody is holding a gun to your head making you work there.'
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>> posted by stir the pot on 3/5/2008 9:16:11 PM
to bw posted 12-18; you were probably fired becuase the d.c. that you were in charge of couldnt get any of the orders correct....it was a trainwreck, and has improved since you left. as for the rest of you, why do you care what john does...it's not your business and never will be and yes I work for him as a d.m. and I don't agree with everything, but I have bills to pay and the job market isn't exactly great, so guess what, I'll keep my job and try to make the best of it. Suggestions....Larry actually likes it when you send him a suggestion. Oh yeah,"take the money", I don't think the consumers would like to know where that ranks in the rules of retail, kinda sh?!?y isnt it? just one guys view from both sides
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>> posted by Drizzit on 3/11/2008 11:15:24 PM
I've worked for Menards for a long time, and I get paid enough that my husband does not need to work. I've also benefited from the building trades, and real-estate because of my job. John does keep a very tight ship, and he should. People think they should get paid to sit around and do nothing. People should be working, and that's why we call it work. Management is not doing it's employees any favors by not adhering to rules. I have seen some real atrocious managers over the years, but I still love Menards. It's the most unbiased company to work for. If you can increase sales then you are welcome and promoted. You could be Korean, Indonesian, and African and move up with this company. If you can't increase sales then you're demoted which keeps the company expanding. It is a little cut throat, but if it was not that way Menards would have been bought by Lowes years ago. What was left out of this article is the compensation for regular employees. We get profit sharing, insurance plans, and best of all spiffs. If I sell a huge window order I get real money back on my paycheck. I can make my checks huge, and my husband loves these surprises. John does not demand a college education from you, but he does want you to be driven and honest. If you don't have ethics, and don't care about safety, and don't want to stop theft then you shouldn't apply at Menards.
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>> posted by Drizzit on 3/11/2008 11:27:26 PM
Notice how no current employees will sign their real names
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>> posted by trouble on 3/12/2008 12:38:53 AM
Wow, I don't believe I actually took the time to read all of these comments!

In any case, I am writing this because I am very disappointed with Menards. I had a situation in which my contractor was held up at a store for 2 hours trying to pick up merchandise that I had already paid for the night before! (and, might I add, I had to wait in the store over an hour to purchase while waiting for a mill work employee to help me locate merchandise from 2 other local stores). I know this type of situation happens at all retailers, not just Menards, however the store manager was extremely unwilling to resolve my complaint. He just told me that I could fill out a brown form that would be sent to headquarters and not actually sent to an individual. (We all know that this will not ever get resolved).

I previously worked as a buyer for a retail giant in the headquarters, where customer service was key. You would always find a way to figure out a solution to any problem. In my case, I ended up having to pay my contractors for 2 hours of "work", which entailed sitting at Menards, and now also an extra day of work, since they were set back those 2 hours!!!! The manager was trying to tell me that this would never happen, but, c'mon, we all know it did. So, I have wasted several hours on buying base moulding from Menards, which I will never do again.

I grew up in Pennsylvania, and when I moved to Chicago 7 years ago, Menards was an unfamiliar oddity to me. It is dirty, unorganized, has awful commercials and print advertising, and sells a bunch of stuff that makes no sense. I did not understand how this place stayed in business. But, after reading the article, I now realize that not all retailers are the same with their policies, and having a good rapport with your customers and employees is not a priority for this company. That may make Mr. Menard a rich man, but not a well-liked individual. So, maybe Mr. Menard doesn't strive to be well-liked. That is his prerogative. However, I do believe a retailer should still be accountable for good customer service, and should treat a complaint as an opportunity to make a bad situation a good one.

In my situation, I am still going to fill out that brown form and send it to "who knows" in the guest services department. I may be surprised, and they may actually do something to correct the situation since I have spent thousands of dollars in their stores. But, I doubt it.

Also, I would like to say to some of you people who are defending the company that it is just a job, and don't take it personally that some people do not like the company that you work for. You may be a loyal employee to a company, but usually the employer doesn't feel the same about you (no matter how hard you work, and even if you are the nicest and best person on earth.) You should focus on your friends and family and not your job, because being with the people who you love is much more important than working yourself to death for a salary-no matter how much it is. (By the way, I was never employed by Menards or a competitor, or ever fired from any company, this is just what I have realized to be true after many years of corporate life).

I hope Menards grows a heart.
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>> posted by Relieved to be outta there! on 3/12/2008 2:37:26 PM
I worked there and I do not recommend it. Getting out was the best thing that ever happened to me. Management was terrible, they did not respect their employees whatsoever, and neither did the guests. Menards may think specializing people in departments is good, and it is, but you should have SOME cross-training because I constantly had questions about other departments that I did not have the answer for, and customers did not have the patience to wait for me to get a team member who did work that department.

Menards is a jackass, simply put. I do not know how you can respect an egotistical tightwad who thinks he's above eveyone else because he has money. He happily ruins people's lives for no good reason and defies laws because he thinks rich people are above everyone else. I'm always amazed that despite his billion dollar empire, he is still so cheap- he even refuses to pay for ink pens! Employees have to bring them from home. Good grief. And please explain to me how a 'good employer' is justified in screaming at workers for being ' ***** retarded'. Hardly someone I wish to work for! (My favorite story is how Larry Menard starting swearing and shouting at an employee in a store for not doing their job properly- turns out the kid wasn't even a worker, just a customer wearing a menard shirt! haha!)

Customer service is a nightmare and it's the poor cashier that gets the brunt of the load most of the time- cashiers are not respected whatsoever and are constantly being chewed out by irritated customers for doing their job- they have to get management approval for EVERYTHING- lookups, coupons, slight price changes, large checks, etc.

So yes, I left, because as some point out, I did not 'have a gun pointed at my head'. I hope my friends I left back at the store do as well, because my quality of life has gone wayyyyyyyyyy up. Good luck to you still at the store, and watch out, John and Larry are probably watching :)
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>> posted by SalesGoalDriven on 3/18/2008 11:32:31 PM
Would like to comment on Drizzit posting.
Yes, Mr.Larry Menards is a nice person and how to conduct professionally.The way that Mr.Menards keeps the bottom line is brilliant and makes the company running efficiently. But, there are a lot of other people in the management could not conduct professionally and detrimental to the company. I hope my analyze was wrong! This is a perfect place for people who do not have college degree and work they way up within the company. But, not to those people who have college degree, cause they have to compete with the long-time employee. I think the Management Trainee program that currently in massive advertisement would be detrimental to Menards in the future since it did not conducted appropriately for those trainee with the college degree. I am afraid if Menards do not try to improve their human resources with those people with college degree, in the near future could be overtaken by other home furnishing retailer!
Moreover, I do not think that Drizzit is right about Menards implementing EEOE appropriately and there are only a bunch of people can count from your fingers whose come from other countries or Cultures who are working in the Corporate Office. Someone could give idea on how many corporate employee team-member who are foreign-born? Except Ms.Purnita and Ms.Xiong, I did not know if there are any other?
Where are the diversity? Eventough, I think most of the customer that Menards caters are the immigrant or foreign born, but, there is little diversity in the Corporate Office.
I am looking forward to hear any comments about this and would like to do the constructive debate on this matter.

God Bless us all!
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>> posted by Shocked Customer on 3/19/2008 7:39:25 AM
Larry might be a "nice person" however I saw him in action at a Menards store last month. I was shocked at his treatment of a checkout clerk and the store manager.....in front of customers no less. It was absolutely uncalled for as the F bomb was used several times and in a very loud voice. Several customers stood in silence as Larry went on his tiraid.

If he is going to dress down employees then do it behind closed doors. No one deserves to be treated that way. I had heard that he has a nice streak in him however he also has a mean streak.....and he showed it. The only one who would have been proud most likely would have been John.
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>> posted by AJ on 3/19/2008 10:06:32 AM
To 'Salesgoaldriven'...do you have a college degree? Have you taken any English Courses? Because you definitely need some grammer help. Also, Menards will never be taken over by another 'home furnishing retailer.' NEVER! To 'Relieved to be outta there'...Menards has a great program called in home training. It provides CROSS TRAINING that you think people should have. If you dont want to find someone from that department for everything, LEARN something by doing in home training for that department! DUH!! To 'Shocked Customer'...Do you happen to know the reason Larry was yelling at those team members? Maybe it was something that couldn't wait to be brought behind closed doors. If you worked in retail, you would maybe understand that.
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>> posted by mayor on 3/19/2008 8:59:03 PM
Once again a company mole posting during working hours .I'd tend to believe it might be encouraged in Johns' kingdom.Is MD coaching you?Can't blame you though,this story has the potential to do some damage.It has become lunchroom conversation at our UNION firm and it is circulating. A few people have neighbors currently employed with Menards and have their own horror stories.To describe the occurences would give the associates away so I'll just say bullsh.t!Whoever does demographics for John better watch their backs though.The stores that are new to our area are going to have a tough battle for market share.First the economy is in the toilet and second we have a strong union presence who will shop non-union stores but will boycott blatantly anti-union stores.Even Wal-Mart understands this and lets local union contractors build their stores here.Please insult and criticize me instead of salesdriven and shocked.I'm trying to fit the profile of the F...ing Retard you were trained to identify and terminate.By the way did you help MD clean up that paint spill???
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>> posted by Shocked Customer on 3/20/2008 8:09:27 AM
To AJ - yes I do know why he was yelling at his "team members." He was yelling at the checkout clerk because he hadn't walked over from aisle 1 to aisle 4 and told some customers waiting in line that his checkout was open. I'm sure you think that can't wait so you would find it appropriate to utter the F bomb in front of those customers to yell at the clerk.

I'm not an expert customer service person and one thing you have right - I've never worked retail but I guess I would have said to the customers that there was no waiting at aisle 1 and made mention of it, if I felt the need, to the store manager that the clerk on aisle 1 needs to step it up.

But again, I've never worked in the fast paced world of retail sales which apparently you have. I'm old fashioned manager I guess.....treat people the way you would want to be treated, earn the respect of your employee's, etc. All those old fashioned things. I've never had the benefit of Menard's in house training....just some old college degree.

Let's see.......The Menard Institue of Customer Service......The Menard School of Working Retail.....How to Influence People by John Menard...... Sounds like a perfect opportunity for a donation of ______ million by JM and then he could shape the future of retail sales.
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>> posted by SalesGoalDriven on 3/20/2008 9:30:33 AM
Hi AJ,

Thanks for your comment. I'm still trying to improve my grammar to be as fluent like you. "Because you definitely need some grammer help." Thanks for the reminder. Yes, I do have some college degree which I am sure more than you have. But, I was trying to communicate in your level to be understood. Regarding Customer Service in the Retail Industry, there is never mentioned about yelling to co-workers in front of the guests to get noticed. The guest should have a good experience while in any store.
Hi AJ, could you challenge me on my opinion about the diversity? I need your constructive idea on this?

Good Bless you all...
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>> posted by RD on 3/20/2008 11:00:22 AM
Since "the article" was originally published in Milwaukee Magazine in April 2007 this comment response will be the 70th comment. I have periodically clicked on this site to read additional comments. I find all of them interesting, including the original article content. I find all of them interesting because of my own personal experience of reporting directly to John Menard for 22 years. To a lot of current longer time employees, I am no stranger; some referred to me as "the company spy". I used initials for todays comment; I do not have any problem using my name/address or even publicly listing my phone number(s), perhaps it would be better if I just continued using e-mailed comments which would all be based on personal hands-on experience. I assure anyone reading/following this would not be bored. There are MANY things I could write about. I am a firm believer that everyone & anyone is entitiled to their opinion. Until someone does me or any member of my family wrong I have respect for anyone; once respect for the individual is lost there is nothing left. I find it hard to forgive & forget. Should I decide to make future further comment about anything related to contents of published article or previous comments I want to make it perfectly clear that I have a lot of respect for John Menard; he has never done me wrong. What I may end up sharing could be compared to the Sam Walton Story. Have any of you ever read Sam Walton's book? He started the biggest retailer in the world & during "a break" from working for John Menard, for family reasons, I also experienced "the Wal-Mart experience". From my personal experience in Wal-Mart retail management, Wal-Mart is not perfect & because of their size they are a constant target. There are a lot of similarities between Wal-Mart & Menards, again should I decide to make any further comments they will be based solely on my hands-on experience & opinion. I knew/know most of people mentioned in magazine article. I do not today know where I will start sharing my Menard experience, perhaps from the beginning? I held different positions over the 22years; the last wo years I drove to about every store in Menards ten state market area except for a handful in Michigan. I would drop in on stores unannounced & spend up to four hours at a store & unless some longer time employee recognized me, a lot of times no one at these stores even know I'd been in their stores until they received followup pls. comments from John Menard. It was a most interesting unique job; a lot of good positive things resulted from these visits. I need to think on it a bit yet before I comment further. Perhaps later, RD
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>> posted by john menard on 3/23/2008 10:26:22 AM
It is quite evident John Menard has a major screw loose upstairs. I really do mean that too and dont write that for humor, he obviously has some sort of mental issue. It is unfortunate too, since from what I understand his mother and father and most of his siblings were wonderful people, unfortunatley John Menard did not come from the same mold.

John Menard is rich, that is all. John Menard just happened to have a gift of being able to make money with very little regard to basic business ethics and with no regard on to how to treat employees or customers fairly, like most of the other people in business leadership would. Menard will have his name remembered, but only for the facts of his tremendous monetary weath and how poorly he has treated people over the years. I grew up in Eau Claire and actually worked for a sub of Menards for a few years out of college, got experience and moved on. Would recommend all Menard workers to move on when they can, because this place is not for the long haul. Get out, there are a lot of more rewarding jobs out there that are more rewarding financially and for your soul. Menard is very fortunate that at least in Eau Claire, and I would suspect many other towns he has a store in, the good job opportunities just are not out there for many of the Menard workers. Dont let that stop you, keep applying, looking for good jobs and get out of there while you can so you can leave on your own terms. This guy is wacko to say the least, and who knows if you might be the next person to experience it firsthand.
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>> posted by mr team member on 3/24/2008 12:43:58 AM
I have worked at one of the stores and can agree with coments here. If you need an item such as tape to fix broken bags or hang signs your expected to pay for the tape yourself and buy it on your own time. The stores are very understaffed to the point where deparments can be unatended durring business hours. Each deparment is competitive with eachother so if a customer is in another understaffed department gets fustarted about waiting half hour for help your suspose to page over the intercom with no one to reply, or assist the customer in the other department then get nagged at by your manager when you return. projects and stocking come above customer service. you are not to spend 5 minutes showing a customer how to replace a washer in a faucet valve as its not making money for the store and instead sell a brand new faucet assembly for high profit in 30 seconds and get right back to work.
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>> posted by ME on 3/24/2008 9:05:39 PM
To Salesgoaldriven,whatever man.The level you are trying to communicate at doesn't exist.Shapen it up and maybe proof your message before you enter it in for others to read.AJ is right about your communication skills,if you reread it you most likely can't understand your own message.To try and cover up your obious flaws by degrading all who read this is a sign of your fears.You will never be there.I like John Menard,he connects to the world at all levels.This amazes me "at all levels" that is diversity.Mr Mayor you are giving up your position.I can't wait to hear from you again.
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>> posted by mayor on 3/25/2008 8:54:55 PM
SalesGoalDriven What all these upper management Menards Business School graduates don't recognize is you are obviously foreign born and are still learning your second (or more) new language. The second that they have learned consists largely of swearwords and insults.Menards has taught these leaders in the retail industry,that in order for them to have more than the next guy,they must take their job extra seriously,selectively acknowledge subordinate accomplishment(reserved for special individuals),maintain total control and never admit to their own mistakes while delegating blame generously.It sounds screwed up but it seems to work for them. Dis is whut some peeples becomes when deys becomes sucksessful
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>> posted by MADE IN CHINA on 3/26/2008 3:51:16 AM
This article is amazing a fellow co worker told me about it and i had to check it out. It really enforces the things you hear within the store from other employees. Menards is not the best place to work like most have said. I am looking for a new job currently. I only work part time at menards, and they have a really hard time giving me hours weekly. All i need is like 20 hours a week but my manager can't even supply those because the payroll is cut so low, so I end up with like 80 dollar checks a week. Thats not even worth the gas i use to drive there. On most week days we are only allowed 3to 4 percent of the daily sales for payroll and when we only make like 1500 dollars or less in sales you can imagine what happens. People get sent home or called off and departments are understaffed like mentioned above, and the one person in each department is over worked under payed. Managers also get fined for not making payroll, it comes out of their yearly bonus. Like its thier fault that noone is comming in the store buying all the goods that are made in china driving this country into a recession. I also have to tell places that I have applied for not to use menards as a refrence because I have heard that you can get fired if they find out you applied or have worked for a competetor at a Target or KMart ect because of conflict of intrest. menards sells toilet cleaner and so does KMart so that means your a spy for KMart lol. I have said If you call them and dont hire me I can loose my job. One HR person laughed and said are you serious and i said yes and they said WOW. My store GM has also told me that I am not allowed to shop at other stores for supplies that menards sells. because that also is a conflict of intrest giving menards money to the competition. How crazy is that. Menards really does have secret shoppers from general office that come and call the stores on a daily basis. I have ran into them more than once. They ask ?'s about stuff like delievery and stuff in other departments to see if you will take them to products. If you dont take them or give wrong information on the phone, it leads to writeup's on first offences no warnings. The attendance policy is the same way if you are late more than 5 min its a write up on first offence no freebies 4or 5 tardies and you are fired. I have seen department managers fired for no reason and people dont talk about it because they are afraid they will be next. I saw an Assist GM demoted to a dept mgr and had to uproot his family to transfered to a diffrent city for less pay because he opened late one day. I havent had anyone talk crazy to me yet but hope they dont because im not their kid and will go off right back and walk out. One other thing that is true about one of the posted comments above is the "take the money" slogan it sounds like rob the customer to me and larry does say it i have seen it in more than one training video.
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>> posted by Salesgoaldriven on 3/27/2008 6:07:46 PM
I have told you guys that there is no diversity or EOE whatsoever at Menards. One person can just insult other's insufficiency of language and accusing for being foreign born. I have met with several managers who just happened to ignore my friendly gestures many times and only one! I listened that several people just made fun of other people's accent in company's public radio system. They might think that they are better than me and being born here. Anybody could claim that he or she is a native of this country? I think only the native Indian can claim this. This is the land of the Free and everybody has the chance to meet their economic of living. I have never tried to brag about my college degree, and there is no need to that here. Not at Menards.
I agreed with MADE IN CHINA comment on PTS. It's hard for the part-timers to get the benefit of the PTS and especially the managers). Only the top managers could benefit from this scheme! I will try to analyze this retail-phenomena from the business background and will post my opinion in the near future.
Thanks for those people who made the comments on my postings and really appreciate it.

God bless us all
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>> posted by packer fan on 4/4/2008 5:34:58 PM
Heres a fun fact for everyone out there in menard land. Accoding to forbes magazine john menard has only 7.3 billon one dollar bills away from sleeping on the streets. Since menards is based in wisconsin AKA packer country, consider the fact lambeau field holds 72,928 fans. Each one of those fans would have to have slightly over 100,000 dollars each in their pockets and pool all their money together just to tie Menard's wallet. nice thought huh
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>> posted by CF on 4/5/2008 4:18:39 PM
I can't believe how so many people it appears would lay down their life for such a bottom-dwelling individual. i worked at the Eau Claire D.C. in Menards for six months after leaving the military 2 yrs ago to return to Wisconsin. I never enjoyed my experience there and am so happy I was able to find something better. I don't have any hard facts of John Menard's character as I have not met him first-hand but know all too well of his character from everybody I know that has met him. I have heard countless stories of how his personal and business practices are cruel and unwarranted. Also, managers training me how to not accept interviewees by bringing in someone they knew they wouldn't hire then belittling them in the interview. Working my butt off and not getting just compensation, in my mind, for it. Constant sexual harassment by management. Females and members of other cultures working their butts off and never getting promoted. Absolutely horrible benefits. Yes, there's profit sharing but you are not eligible for over a year, insurance costs an absolute fortune and you have to wait six months, etc. it's true...many people with lots of money would not be where they are without stepping on others toes but there's a difference between stepping on people's toes and burning the toes, peeling the skin back, pouring salt on them and then stomping them into the ground. Also, I'd like to add, thank you Mr. Mayor for your entertaining and FACTUAL comebacks. I hope my friends who are still there can find something better as well. I wish my home of Eau Claire could get rid of this jerk!
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>> posted by ec home owner on 4/6/2008 10:41:12 PM
I know John but do not know Larry so I can not comment on his actions. I do believe John is a fair person, and have never had the pleasure of working for him. I have spent alot of money at his stores but I still shop there today. I wouldnt know Larry if I ran into him, but I would hope that he was NOT like what everyone says about him. We are all human and I believe you should be treated the way you want to be treated, and I cant think that Larry would want to be treated like a piece of ***** either. signed: ec
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>> posted by AJ on 4/7/2008 8:18:38 PM
Well, to 'shocked customer,' that cannot be the only reason Larry would call a cashier a ***** retard. I have personally met him, and he would not do that. Because you were the customer, i would not expect you to understand. But, I cannot say for sure since i do not know the whole story as well. To 'sales goal driven,' again, you need to get grammer lessons. I cannot even understand what you are trying to say, but I will try to answer your question about diversity. Maybe the reason there aren't many foreigners working at Menards, is because THEY CANT SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND ENGLISH!!! Honestly!! I had the "opportunity" to work with a foreigner not too long ago...and it didn't go to well for her. Hardly anybody could understand her, and she couldn't understand anything. Why she was hired in the first place, I have no idea, except that Menards does try to diversify. You cannot blame John for there being little or no diversity though, since he does not personally hire team members. To 'mr team member,' whoever or whatever store made you pay for tools to do your job, such as tape, is wrong! And nothing, absolutely nothing, comes before Guest Service! That is Larry Menards Number One Rule. 'CF,' you need a grammer lesson as well. And thanks to 'ME' and 'Mayor.'
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>> posted by Been There, Done That on 5/1/2008 3:01:53 PM
Well AJ, I have also met him and I can assure everyone that John must certainly would! He is a crass man without etiquette in the slightest. And if you want to pick on people for not spelling words right, perhaps you can take your own advice and learn to spell grammar!
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>> posted by mptb on 5/1/2008 11:01:05 PM
larry is an ass, he fired a whole plumbing dept in iowa, ive seen him treat people like shit
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>> posted by John Menard on 5/2/2008 3:25:10 PM
I heard 15 home depots are closing including 3 in wisconsin. Im so excited that my zipper is about to bust open. Now i can make my employees work harder while I sleep on a bed stuffed with money that no one will ever see again. I proudly refuse to give back to the citys my stores are in and the word donation gives me nightmares. I AM GOD
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/2/2008 8:04:39 PM
I last posted a comment on 03/20/08 under initials RD. I have decided to do further postings under my real name. My name is Ramiro Duenes. I live in Rochester, Minnesota. I worked for Menard Inc for 22 years reporting directly to John Menard. I have three daughters. The oldest is a 3rd year Resident at Mayo Clinic & will soon be moving to Idaho with my son-in-law and 2 grand kids. She worked at Menards Rochester North a couple years while going to college. Second oldest just presented her defense & was accepted; she is now also a Doctor, a Doctor of Chemistry, and will be hooded at graduation ceremony on May 10th at University of North Carolina. She has been offered & accepted a Post-Doc position at U of M, along with my son-in-law who is also a Chemistry PhD. My youngest starts her research project at U of M on May 12th before starting Dental School in August. My youngest is an 18 year old son who has been struggling with health issues. As soon as he is healthy again I have no reservations about asking John Menard if he will be so kind as to allow him to work at one of his stores while he continues his education. The point of all this family history is that working for John Menard for the many years, indirectly & directly allowed my family the opportunity to attain successful careers. I challange anyone that wants to or feels the need to bad mouth John Menard to keep in mind that he makes jobs possible for somewhere between 40,000 to 50,000 people in 10-12 state market area.. His company growth has been cautious & I do not know of any Menard stores closing. There are reasons for most of the things people have bitched about in previous postings. Based on my hands on experiences I fill qualified to dispel most of the bull ***** I may end up doing a lot of future postings. To all you loyal Home Depot customers, where you going to go when the HD store in your market area closes. Perhaps you should shop at your nearest Menard store. I am sure John would appreciate a firm mattress stuffed with your greenbacks. Until next time.
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>> posted by clancys poolroom on 5/3/2008 9:58:51 PM
I've been big into home improvements for about 30 years in Chicago. I remember when the likes of Mr. How, Handy Andy, Builders Square, Home Base then Menards and HD came it, and many of the independent lumber yards and hardware stores disappeared. Well its come full circle - when I see all of the crap made in China, the abuse on the workers, the environmental crimes all I can say is that I have re-discovered the indep. lumberyards and hardware stores and that John Menard can go to h_ _ _ in his own CCA-treated box before I will ever set foot in that place again !
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>> posted by menards coment card on 5/4/2008 10:39:30 AM
no i think he would rather be go away in a box made of cracked partical board and handles made from the shoe string twine he provies for customers for free to tie stuff to their carsThat way its lower cost then stuff the casket with all his money
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>> posted by scotbear8175 on 5/6/2008 10:11:00 PM
I was a gate guard in a Milwaukee-area Menards and the quality of the stock going out of that yard was pitiful! If it wasn't damaged, inferior or missing parts it was a rare day for me.
The manager was paranoid. The assistant manager more so. No people-skills. No worker-skills. Bottom-lines caused the department managers to send people home at any time, leaving whole departments without proper staffing for hours.
God help you if you had special orders! Oftentimes I had to calm down "guests" because they received mailings stating that "their special order was in" and lo-and-behold, not only was it NOT in, but they couldn't even find it regularly sending them to the competition.
I've seen it from the inside and "guest" service is a bunch of words that they profess to believe-in, but, when you get right down to it, not so much.
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>> posted by AJ on 5/9/2008 1:04:26 AM
Thank you Ramiro for your input. I work for a store which I will leave out for now, that knows who you are and as a result of you visiting the store I work at, I now know who you are. I fully agree with both your statements. Furthermore, Menards is a great place to work for. I hope to continue to work there, despite recent problems at my store which is making me reconsider at the moment. That problem is due to management at the store however, not due to Menards itself, which I think most people are forgetting, that the store itself is the way it is because of its team members. To whoever posted as John Menard, have some respect. Just because John Menard is WAY more successful than you ever will be doesn't mean you have to right to defame him like that.
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>> posted by mayor on 5/12/2008 10:19:48 PM
If you are looking for fulfilling employment you might not find it at Menards or at their business model Wal-Mart.Advancement opportunities are limited to like thinking lackeys like AJ and Ramiro. They covet their positions and really don't want competition. Instead they want strong backs and obedient minds. Educated employees desire entitlements ie.paid for what they know,not what they do and creativity is frowned upon since Corporate sets policy that must not be modified.
In a non-union environment discrimination can thrive and is a very useful form of control.Everyone fears for their job so they keep their mouths shut and eat their poo sandwiches and watch fellow employees be treated unfairly and turn their heads.The middle management tyrants are paid well to reward or condemn at their personal discretion to keep the business model healthy.High turnover is acceptable and even encouraged.
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>> posted by dcworker on 5/14/2008 5:56:01 PM
I agree with low paid employees. We havent had a decent raise since Chris left. We did get a quarter last year but that was after health insurance went up thirty dollars a week. Our bonus's if you want to call them that are store merchandise checks that have to be spent at a Menards store. I like my job , but I'm almost fifty and its hard to find another job in this economic state we are in.
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>> posted by former menards guest on 5/14/2008 8:46:40 PM
Did you hear menards will give you a menards gift card for your economic stimulus check for 5 percent more then what the check is worth. That way your 600 dollar check intended to help hard working americans make ends meet instead can be used to by 630 dollars worth of "price point" items made in china to support their economy. Also the check intended to support the lower and middle class instead goes to the richest man in the state of wisconsin. Is that what bush intended the money to go for?
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/16/2008 9:43:19 AM
Referencing posting of May 9th by AJ, from my experience a lot of problems at Menard Inc are brought on by poor management at store level; some of these people border on being of moron mentality. Eventually their poor management abilities catch up to them and sadly things get twisted around and their demise is blamed on Menard Inc.,. From the day it was initiated I always thought it hokey to start calling employees Team Members and customers became Guests. To me they will always be employees and customers. Good employees do their thing in presenting products at a good price and customers spend their hard earned dollars for those products; one is no more important then the other. As for questioning who ever posted as John Menard, all the time I reported to John Menard I did not know him to be much into physically using a computer but I would not question his ability to do so. Anyone capable of flying one of his multi-million dollar jets is certainly capable. From my knowledge of John Menard I could see where the content of postings under his name would come from him. I could see him reading all these postings, especially when a lot of them are so untrue. Trust me, I know from personal experiences why, in most cases, the workers or employees were so abused or mistreated, as some postings point out. They did it to themselves and had it coming. If that sounds cruel and ignorant on my part I will perhaps back it up in future postings. Until next time.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/19/2008 4:26:48 PM
To the person doing postings identifying him or herself as mayor, you referred to me as a lackey. You or anyone else may call me or identify me with any adjectives you may so desire, doesn't bother me at all. I am fully aware of what I did for John Menard and offer no apologies to whom ever I affected, positive or negative, in the process. As I have previously stated, most of, if not all, the employees that were supposedly treated rudely or abused, etc., had it coming. Here is one example of many such situations: It was a year ago this past May 1st, it seems like only yesterday, that I last spoke with John Menard. While waiting at St Mary's hospital ER for my 82 year old Mother to arrive via ambulance, I received a phone call from a contractor friend of mine. He was working on a building project at Faribault, Mn airport. He told me it was too bad I was no longer working for John Menard. I had left John Menards employ the previous year because of my parents poor health. I could no longer be traveling Menards 10 state market area. It just so happened that my Mother got tranferred to Mayo Clinic care, on this day, was admitted for 24 days before getting sent home for her remaining days; she passed away 5 days later. I told this contractor friend where I was and what I was up to. He proceeded to tell me how his jobsite was at edge of airport; at the end of the dead end road was the Dundas Menards contractor pickup. Appeared that driver drove into tall grass and weeds to hide; he appeared to be sound asleep at about 2 P.M.,. I asked contractor if he was sure the rep was not dead. He said as far as he could tell he was sound asleep. He said he would get a picture if I needed one. I told him I was going to phone John Menard; the picture was not necessary but I did need the truck number. I phoned John Menard on his direct number and he personally answered on the second ring. Told him about my Mother; he said his thoughts and prayers would be for her recovery. I told him about the sleeping employee and told him I used it as an excuse to touch base with him; I had not talked to John for about a year since I had left his employ. We chatted a little bit; the conversation ended with him telling me he was going to personally follow up on the sleeping employee. I never did hear the outcome. I do know that all of Menard Inc company contractor pickups have GPS systems on them and can be tracked within inches of location and times parked etc.,. Let me end this with a question. If it was your own pickup and you personally were paying an hourly wage to someone to go out and sell products to justify the expenses involved, resulting in a profit, what would you do if this individual was sleeping when he was supposed to be working? This example is minor compared to some of the crap I experienced with employees taking advantage of job opportunity given them.
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>> posted by no snitching on 5/20/2008 10:05:56 AM
Snitiching on employees is more imporant then taking care of ill parents???? aparently what you learned from john menard proves the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Employees miss countless family events from holidays to birthdays all in the goal of inflating the big man's wallet and of couse 2 or more who are related in any form including in laws may not work at the same menards location. When i worked at one of the menards store i heard a employee got written up on septemeber 11th 2001 for turning on one of the radios on the electrical department so they could hear the news as events happend................. aparently their planogram comes first
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/23/2008 11:29:51 AM
To individual posting as, no snitching, you seem to have missed my stating that I was awaiting my Mother's arrival and there is actually more to this story. I am 60 years old; I am Catholic, believe in the power of prayer and practice my religion without shame. When I received the phone call from my contractor friend I had just finished saying some prayers for my Mother and for my ailing 17 yr old son. You see he had already been hospitialized for almost two months, struggling with mental health depression issues. His three older sisters are highly educated and very accomplished. The oldest is a doctor at Mayo, second oldest on May 11th received her Doctorate in Chemistry and youngest is currently pursuing a dental degree. My son being an A student was headed down the same road until he started struggling with health issues. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more important to me then family; that is the reason I terminated employment with John Menard. All of a sudden I was faced with my son still hospitialized and now was awaiting my Mothers arrival. I ended up visting my son 2 or 3 times a day and my Mother 4 to 6 times a day at opposite ends of hospital for about the following month. While awaiting my Mothers arrival I was sitting in my car thinking about all sorts of things. Including remembering how the previous November I had sent John Menard some reports of personal experiences from visits to the two Menard stores in Rochester, stores in Mankato, Mn, two Twin Cities stores and Marshfield, Wisc.,. They were reports about issues with excessive lines at check out registers, out of stocks and people standing around idle, wasting payroll. John sent me back a note thanking me for the reports and also asked that I pass on his thank you to my doctor daughter. Unbeknown to me I was not aware that John Menard had been hospitialized at Mayo, much less that my daughter had tended to his health care. My daughter took an oath not to discuss her patients and when I confronted her about John Menrd being one of her patients and his asking I pass on his personal thank you she said she wanted to tell me at the time but could not. She also asked me to please not ask details about his care; it has never been discussed further. I thought about that; I thought about how years ago Johns Father had also been hospitalized at Mayo. How his Father shotly after going home passed away and his Mother also passed away about a week later. All these thoughts and all of a sudden the Menard incident presents itself while I am waiting. You or anyone else can certainly think whatever you so desire but to me it was somewhat consoling to talk to John Menard. Think what you may but he is human and I continue to have a lot of respect for him, or I would not have worked for him for 22 years. Again, a lot of what has been presented in previous postings have reason; I know a lot of the reasons and a vast majority got distorted along the way. Perhaps I will attempt to clarify in future postings, some of the stupidity is beyond belief. Later.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/23/2008 7:28:09 PM
Another response to individual posting as, no snitching, retail is the process of providing products that people want at a good price. It is a given that these customers shop mostly in evening, weekends and holidays, not only at Menards but at all retailers. When people apply and commit to working at retail operations they should know and realize that they are committing to needed hours when customers shop the most. At Menards it used to be that these employees were compensated an extra $2 or $2.50 per hour on weekends for their commitment: I believe this still holds true. I know from experience that schedules are put together at store level and submitted for approval to home office. The biggest issue is to make sure there is adaquate coverage to accommodate customer needs. It is not possible for everyone to have every holiday or weekend off but certainly store management can and should make efforts to accommodate respective employees for requested time off, including employee birthdays or family member birthdays. As for members of same family working at same store, there are reasons for that which if anyone reading this with an open mind, would agree with reasoning. A couple of reasons that I have personally witnessed have to do with scheduling and internal theft. Seems like only yesterday, I attended a seminar back in 1972 which I never could forget. Even back then it was mentioned that nationally shoplifting and internal employee theft was estimated at 6 billion dollars a year, employee theft being the biggest part of it. It is rather sad that given the temptation there are dishonest people. I was gone from Menards for about 4 years due to family resons, at which time I was an asistant store mgr at Wal-Mart; they allow hourly family members to work at same store. There were several incidents where these people conspired to steal from the biggest retailer in the world, as always they eventually got caught to the tune of thousands of dollars. And accomodating same family members by granting same schedules can be a real ***** I would imagine even more so now with high fuel prices if they reside a distance from workplace. The ruling for no public radio in stores at Menards is because of competitive advertising: why should competitor ads be announced. If employees need to listen to radio they can do it in their vehicles when they are in their vehicles for smoke breaks. I would think the 911 transmission day could have been allowed at least in breakroom area or store back office, as severe weather warnings times are monitored. The write up mentioned must have been from some ignorant gunho store manager, for cripes sakes all national flights were even halted. The next kamikaze flight could have been at any major US city. Perhaps the store management was worried that some one from home office might stop by and report a public radio broadcasting in store, but with all flights grounded there surely were not any company planes visiting stores on this day. For those of you not familar with Menard SOP, company planes leave home office everyday with corporate people going out to stores daily. Until next time.
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>> posted by ME on 5/26/2008 8:46:10 AM
To whom who keep refering to China,
I happen to know that it is the distributors who sell to Menards that went to China.They are the ones that replaced Manufacturing jobs with imports.At first they kept the prices at the wholesale levels the same and kept the profits.Some are still doing this as sub-manufacturers.If we didn't have this practice in US inflation levels will go nuts.It is a globel economy and we all have to understand this.It always has been like this.It is only the disclosure standards that have changed over the years.We benefit as consumers when John Menard gets tough for us.India,Vietnam are just a few that are coming.The Chinese are going there now and investing.Do we go as well?I think so.
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>> posted by Scott Enk on 5/26/2008 10:45:49 PM
That this article would continue to draw such impassioned responses more than a year after it first appeared speaks for itself. It is refreshing to see how some have indeed stood up those as out of control as John Menard and his company.

While I'm not a lawyer, I hope that any employment lawyer reading this might be able to tell us if Menard's (and Menards', the company's) apparent policy, as reported in the article, of not hiring--or, if already hired, firing--anyone found to have "ever worked in a union shop" violates U.S. and Wisconsin labor law, which generally prohibit employment discrimination on account of an applicant's or employee's membership or nonmembership in or stance regarding unions.

As the article also states:

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Managers are prohibited from building a home, even if they purchase the construction materials elsewhere. It's a measure to prevent employee theft, John Menard once told the media. The penalty is termination.

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Again, employment lawyers: In Wisconsin, might this outrageously intrusive, out-of-control invasion of Menards' employees' lives outside of work violate Sections 111.321, 111.322 and 111.35 of the Wisconsin Statutes, which together generally prohibit employers from engaging in employment discrimination on the basis of "use or nonuse of lawful products off the employer's premises during nonworking hours"?

And what about the legality--or possible illegality--of such things as Menard's and Menards' reported detailed system of fines for managers?

If Menard or Menards indeed have in any way acted or are acting in violation of their employees' or job applicants' legal rights, it is long past time to call them on it and hold them fully accountable. It is long past time that employers like him and his company be brought under control.

As Menard might well ask me and others who believe as I do, "Who the hell is telling me how to run my company?"

John Menard, we, the people of the United States and of Wisconsin, have not only the right but the duty to set fair boundaries to make sure that you and all other employers treat employees, job applicants, their families, and their, our, and your communities with fairness and decency. Take heed.

Menard and his public-relations, legal, and other staffs, upon reading this, will, I'm sure, immediately set their machines in motion against all I'm writing here--including to find any "digital dirt" they can on me. Trust me, John, there's plenty, and I'm quite proud of it.

I can just see ol' John sending out a "do-not-hire" memo throughout his empire warning his minions about me.

Save your time and effort, John. I have no intention ever of applying for, much less working at, a job within your fiefdom. What you should be concerned about is how many truly good workers who could take you and your company to even greater heights will never apply to your company--as well as how many you've turned away or fired. And were I a union organizer, I'd be licking my chops at the thought of organizing your company. You and it very well show why unions are important and needed!

No, John Menard, as should be clear to you, I am not afraid of you. In truth, I have nothing but contempt for you, your company, and many of your and its practices. Laugh you might, but keep in mind that I, like many thoughtful people, indeed do consider how companies treat their workers, job applicants, and communities when we decide whose products and services we will or will not buy and use. And trust me--we do share our views with others widely.

Got a problem with that, John? Let me know. Better yet, let us all know by posting your side of the story on this board.

Scott Enk

senk8105(at)sbcglobal.net
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>> posted by Scott Enk on 5/26/2008 11:14:54 PM
Following is the text, edited to minimize repetitions of points made above, of an e-mail that I sent to John Menard and Menards via their Web site when the above article first appeared, in May 2007. Naturally, I've never received any sort of reply.

But if you want to tell them what _you_ think, please do so using Menards' Web site, www.menards.com. Click on the "Guest Services" link at the bottom of the home page; then click for the online form under the heading "Contact Menards online."

In any case, here 'tis:

Scott Enk

senk8105(at)sbcglobal.net

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John Menard:

You really are something.

Yes, Menard, after reading Mary Van de Kamp Nohl's courageous article about you and your empire in . . . _Milwaukee_ magazine, I must agree--you really are something.

In the light--or the darkness--of your treatment of people who've made you wealthy like Cory Lickiss; Steve Faber; Scott Bropst and two of his management trainees; and, perhaps worst and most unforgivably of all, the North Dakota store manager whose treatment by you Mr. Bropst courageously describes in the article as well as Eldon Helget, I, as a fifth-generation Wisconsinite and an American and human being who proudly and publicly supports working people and their rights, must and will say in your face: These people, like Ms. Van de Kamp Nohl, deserve our support and our commendation. What _you_ deserve is something else. (No, I would neither do nor condone anything that would violate criminal or civil law.)

Proud of yourself, Menard?

Shame on you, you greedy, paranoid little jerk.

Menard, what do you and your company have to say for yourselves?

. . . It is long past time that spoiled executives like you be put back in their place and taught some humility. It is also long past time for you and your ilk to learn some respect for us working people and our rights, including our rights to decent pay and benefits, justice and dignity on the job (including freedom from arbitrary or otherwise unfair treatment), work-life balance and family-friendly policies, and respect for workers' rights to live their lives (including to improve their homes) without outrages of the kind you inflicted on Mr. Helget and his family.

Whenever workers' sovereign rights are violated by arrogant, out-of-control employers like you, Menard, we as a society need to start imposing stern financial penalties and, when need be, long prison sentences upon those who violate workers' rights; swift confiscation of "responsible" executives' and managers' personal and corporate assets and their redistribution to wronged workers; public humiliation of those who dare to violate workers' rights; and, when need be, legalized seizure of and takeover by workers of corporations that violate workers' rights.

Don't laugh, Menard. People in America who believe as I do are everywhere. We are angry at what we've been seeing happen to our once-beautiful country, our economy, and our living standards, especially since the early 1980s and Ronald Reagan, and even more so under George W. Bush. . . .

For the record, I will henceforth do all I can to avoid doing business with your company and will now urge others to consider how you and Menards treat employees, especially as noted in Ms. Van de Kamp's article, when considering where to shop. . . .

Let me know what you and your fellow Menards executives think of _that_, boy.

Do let me know what you have to say for yourself.

Yours for liberty and justice--for _all_,

Scott Enk

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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/27/2008 1:38:48 PM
To Scott Enk, interesting postings. I get the feeling that you are very much interested and somewhat ready to take on Menards on all the wrong that Menards, specificially John Menard, has supposedly done. I still maintain that if I share more of my personal experiences a different view will be taken about a lot of previous postings. An example which may sound really stupid but none the less a personal hands on experience. I was reminded of it recently while watching an NBA play off game, specifially given the fact that the game was played in Detroit. Now really a stretch, but a viagra commercial reminded me of it. Do nott at the moment remember the store or town name but this happened at on a Menard store visit on Western border of Michigan. I stopped at this store totally unannounced and was at store forabout three hours before I decided to announce myself to store manager in charge. Only because my findings did I feel it necessary to involve store manager. Walking thru store, shortly after store opened I noticed, for identification purposes, a bald headed employee standing behind millwork desk. He was there for the longest time, appeared to be whittling on a piece of wood. After quite some time another employee walked by and this bald headed employee is asked if he is ready to go on break. He goes on break so I go to millwork desk and pull open drawer where I noticed him hide his whittling wood project. It was very vivid that the wood piece was taking on the characteristics of a carved wood penis, balls and all. I took and went looking for store manager. I was told he was in receiving area. He was no longer there so I asked receiving employee to page him and have him come back to receiving area. There was a loft in this stores receiving area so I went up there to check it out and wait for mgr.,. He showed up so I introduced myself and told him why I was looking for him, including pulling the wood carving out of my pocket telling him this kind of crap was bull ***** He asked who the culprit was ss I went to edge of loft and pointed him out, who was now standing at open overhead door bullshitting with two others while they watched the rain come down. I had already taken photos of penis carving so I gave it back to him. Suggesting that he best get to bottom of it and take appropriate action before he heard back from home office. To this day I do not know the outcomebut if it was just some pervert working at Menards I hope he got deserved just reward. This is only one example of the crap that has not been brought up in previous postings. I need to go right now but will continue with further posting to your postings, Scott Enk. There is a lot more to the Menard story, especially as to the reasons why.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/28/2008 9:27:59 AM
Scott Enk, Menards is not alone on the union thing. While working for John Menard for 22 years there was a break in the action, due to family reasons. During that time I personally experienced union issues while employed as an assistant store mgr at Wal-Mart. The biggest retailer in the world is also against unions. They have over a million people employed and have managed to keep union activity out of their stores. About the time I left Wal-Mart and went back to working for John Menard there was a store that voted to go union. It was at the point where if activity toward union kept up the brand new multi-million dollar store was going to be closed. I do not know the outcome. Also when Menards started building their new super centers they set up their stores with state of the art meat departments, including hiring highly experienced meat cutters. With union activity pounding at the door all the meat departments were revamped so meat cutters were not needed. All meat was switched over to getting already packaged meat products at stores, thus eliminating the need for unionized meat cutters. Unions to me are like religion, politics and other things that can be discussed forever and there is no one answer, alot of pros and cons.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/28/2008 9:29:36 AM
Previous posting, it was Wal-Mart with the meat departments not Menards.
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>> posted by mayor on 6/2/2008 9:27:02 PM
Go on Ramiro justify your lifes accomplishment on the backs of the underpaid and unappreciated workers.You have walked away with your share of the affirmative action farce and now can act like you are superior. Anybody that really cares about our country can see that we are being sold out.You got your piece of the pie ,I hope you choke on it.
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>> posted by mayor on 6/2/2008 9:44:47 PM
Ramiro isn't that the meat that gets gassed with CO2 to make it look wholesome and nutritious and maintain a longer shelf life even though it might be spoiled? Ask your Mayo Clinic progeny if it's advisable to eat that crap they sell at Wal-Mart.I'll bet it isn't in their fridge.I would hate to see the world that you have prepared for the unworthy unoin element that I have aligned myself with.Do you want me to lick your boots or is that reserved for special individuals.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/4/2008 9:20:05 AM
Mayor, whomever you are, I was not attempting to, do not need to justify my lifes accomplishments. I thought giving a descriptive background would help anyone reading these postings understand my thoughts based on hands on experience. At no time during the process, nor even with you suggesting that my accomplishments resulted from underpaid and unappreciated workers, have I felt guilt or now feel guilt. The supposed cruel rules and enforcement at Menards came about because of the stupid actions of some of previous employees. While at Menards for 22 years I witnessed some of this. Again, I will state that John Menard did me no wrong and I continue to have respect for him and the good he has accomplished. All that has been reported in previous postings seems to come from desgruntled former employees; if they shared their entire story most of the postings would perhaps have an entirely different tone. I did not at the time feel, nor do I now feel I was superior to anyone but I was fully aware that my reporting facts could directly or indirectly affect the outcome of their actions. Quite bluntly, they were aware of the rules and they chose to break the rules. You are welcome to wish me anything bad you so desire, including choking on a piece of pie, or whatever. I did the job expected of me; the job I was compensated for and I might add it was not all bad. I feel and know I contributed a lot of good things as well, including many good reports which John Menard responded to but no one seems to have posted any of that. Until next time.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/4/2008 10:38:41 AM
Mayor I did not say I was for or against unions. During my lifetime I have seen and experienced both environments in the workplace. I have seen good and bad with both. If need be I could write volumes on both, again, from hands on experience, including back in the day when the NFO, tried to in a sense, organize farmers to get better prices for dairy products. The idea was for farmers to dump their milk which would affect supply and demand. The prices farmers got for their raw milk supply would rise if there was less supply and more demand. It did not work; the more affluent operators dumped their milk with little sacrifice. The small operators could not afford to dump their products; they benefited out of desparate need, with a lot of pressure and grief from their more affluent neighbors. Nothing good came out of it; a lot of small operators went out of business including some very good friends of mine which worked many hard hours to keep their dairy operation going. After the Dad died of a heart attack and the financial institution foreclosed on their property, the remaining family moved out leaving a sign, last one to leave rural America turn off the lights. With respect to the union meat cutters absent at Wal-Mart and packaged meats, I would not be surprised if the packaged meat came from the same supplier that supplies your meat source. I know a highly respected reputiable caterer in Rochester gets a lot of his meat product from Wal-Mart. He caters a lot upper middle class folk, including doctor get togethers in Rochester; have not heard of any deaths from bad meat purchased at Wal-mart. Your asking if I want you or anyone else to lick my boots is a very stupid comment not deserving of an answer. I am just sharing my true to life experiences; there have been many. I do not remember having stated that I was for or against unions.
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>> posted by mayor on 6/6/2008 10:57:28 PM
What happened to the small dairy farmers is more about being squeezed out by the larger factory farms that are more capable of providing a consistent supply at an extorted price that larger retailers such as Wal-Mart and now Menards demand. So basicly the small family farms went bye-bye so your employer could offer a loss leader. Between the producer and the consumer is the middleman,that is you and your dear friends John and the late Mr. Bill Walton. You are entitled to your fair share of the market but when corporate greed kicks in and you want to own the entire market at the expense of the health and welfare of producers,employees and consumers you become a parasite.You are a part of this corporate feeding frenzy Ramiro so don't play like you are on the outside looking in because your hands are just as dirty as your bosses. As for my meat,I am not the most self-indulgent person and try to restrict my carbon footprint to the minimum. But when I do eat meat,it comes from a side of beef produced and processed locally.My eggs come from a local hobby farmer that I compensate generously My building products are never chipboard or vinyl and my yard is full of weeds and insects since I don't want to poison my own well with herbicides and insecticides. Extravagance,I beleive,is a sinful thing. And I guess I'll find out myself if thats true when I meet my maker.You and your corporate cronies have tried to condition consumers into believing you have their best interests in mind and can provide everything that will ensure quality of life but you are poisoning our minds and bodies with only the bottom line in your mind. Do you think it was alright for John to put arsenic laden ashes in his household garbage in order to circumvent environmental laws and save big money on proper disposal fees? Play devils advocate if you wish and eat a good prepackaged CO2 gassed steak with your doctor freinds and laugh about the stupid mayor that refuses to become one of your Wal-Mart zombies or Menards big money savers.
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>> posted by the unhappy customer on 6/9/2008 3:12:30 AM
Sunday morning around 10:00 I was at one of the menards stores with my son to buy supplies needed to solve a flooding problem i had overnight. The store was very busy with other people in the same situation. I picked up a wet dry vacuum, sump pump, one of the last dehumidifiers in the store, mop and various other items. finding employees to assist was dificult being there was only one per department according to the tv screens at the desks but overall satisfied at first. Since the store was so understaffed customers were giving advice to eachother and talking about their basements. As my son and I were walking with 2 carts full of items we passed a employee near the plywood section on a forklift moving about 15-20 empty wood pallets. I told him i had problems with flooding overnight and if i could have a couple to place in my basement to help prevent damage to items next time the floors become damp. his reply was a firm "absolutly not its against corperate policy" and attempted to drive away on the forklift. I yelled "sir" and he stopped due to customers staring at us. I told him was spending several hundred dollars right in these carts and just asking for something that costs the store almoust nothing. I then asked i could pay a few dollars each for them which was above any store cost. he stated all pallets must go back to corperate to be burned as their used for heat. His compromise was for me to take measurements of a pallet and buy 2X4's and nails to make my own pallets. I told him in all my years i have never been so offended in my life and walked away. he yells "sir you cant leave the products in the middle of the aisle" I told him im never coming back and to have the store management put the items back. I feel now like these stores are operated by robots that have absolutly no personality towards people. Menards is also the only store ive been to where you ask a employee for a specific item and all you get is a blank stare and they say "hmmm im not sure on that" then they walk away to arange items on a end cap like i'm not imporant. I would give anything to have back the true value and ace hardware stores this junkyard put out of business.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/9/2008 4:19:21 PM
Responding to current posting by Unhappy Customer, it is unfortunate that you had flooding problems this past weekend. It is even more unfortunate that you were treated as you were at your local Menards store while getting needed supplies. Should you wish to pursue it further there are comment forms at exit to all Menard stores. These comment forms all used to go across John Menards desk; I do not know that has changed. Perhaps it would be of some satisfaction that employee and store management got reprimanded for being so rude. There is currently a 31 year old former employee of Menards awaiting sentencing for embezzelment; it had to do with pallets. It is public record, do not know the specific details but it has something to do with selling pallets for cash and keeping the cash. There are about half million dollars worth of pallets unaccounted for; this former pallet recycle plant manager has admitted to about half of the total in question. He will be sentenced in August for possibly 5 years of confinement. Perhaps with all this going on there was a directive to all stores that under no conditions are pallets supposed to be sold or disappear from yard inventories. Some years ago there were even used pallets put out for the taking in store front parking lot at some yards. Seems even with that there were issues with people bitching about how it was handled, issues with garbage residue, injury issues, etc.,. The pallet eventually evolved with all pallets being returned to Home office to be ground up and fed to boiler to heat water that was piped to huge company plant buildings for winter floor heat. With the tremendous amount of pallets, tons were recycled and sold to pallet companies and manufacturers needing them. Surely because of the greedy plant manager, absolutely no pallets are to leave or be sold to anyone at store level. They are all to be returned to company plant. I would however think that management at this particular store could have faxed or phoned corporate asking permission to help this particular customer. A written invoice could perhaps have been written out by store management authorizing a couple of pallets leaving their yard. As for the robot atmosphere, that is also a lack of proper training on part of management. Later
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>> posted by menards invaded mayberry on 6/10/2008 6:09:53 PM
I have noticed everytime someone makes any sort of negitive comment towards menards that ramiro duenes always has to put in his 2 cents making menards stores sound better then heaven. However also notice he does it in such a way to dance around points people make that he can't justify with nonsense talk. For example take the comment by unhappy customer where he says he wish he could have back the local ace hardware and true value that menards put out of business. I too miss the feeling of the hometowns where you go in the hardware store to buy a foot of wire and pay 40 cent instead of being told sorry sir we only sell in in 50 feet spools. you could go to your hardware store to buy a 8 foot 2X4 and everyone of them was in good shape with very few knots. Menards sells 2x4 for maybe 30 cents cheaper then hardware stores, but realize 19 out of 20 of menards lumber pieces are as staight as richard simmons. Very few people have time to sort a hour and half trying to find 10 decent pieces of wood. Directly becasue of mr menards wonderland, main street small town stores are in the history books for any city his store invades. mr unhappy customer i also miss the feeling of walking 3 blocks to the true value store having the owner spend 15 minutes giving me advice on my project then talking about how his grandson is on my sons baseball team. Also remember local stores give back to the cities their located in, doing things from allowing girl scouts to sell cookies outside the front door of the business to donate products to the schools as well as give part of their profit to the city. At menards all it comes down to is inflating the big mans wallet. What does menards give to the citys their located in? absolutly nothing is donated, they find every legal loophole every to save a penny, getting them to pay taxes is like pulling teeth, and menards has been fined many times for being totally carefree how they dispose of chemicals. The way mr duenes talks about john menard makes me seriously question if they got a friends with benifits relationship going on.
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>> posted by shawn gach on 6/11/2008 1:42:42 AM
ramiro duenes wtf is wrong with you! i worked at menards for 3 months part time. i hated every min i was in there. mexicans that couldn't speak english, older ladies always bitching. ramiro seriously get a ***** new job and and stop sucking menards big fat green ***** there is other jobs out there bud! best 2 luck with your family problems
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>> posted by Dan Bailey on 6/11/2008 12:59:43 PM
After reading all this information about the Menards I can see how they treat people we have done business with them for years I will now stop do to Larrys arrogant attitude with me as a customer I had a problem with one of his managers Don in WEST Allis who hung up on me I spend about 3,000 to 4,000 dollars per year and will now use Lowes or Home Depot Larry Menard some day you will be repaid for your lack of caring hope you have a nice life.If I ever have a chance to run into you I hope you walk the other way.
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>> posted by Unhappy customer made happy again on 6/13/2008 5:34:53 PM
I wrote nearly a week ago reguarding my concerns of a recent menards visit. The reply from ramiro duenes has as much meaning to me as pre written letters companies use where its the same letter to all situations but custom made with your name on top. Heres the follow up to my situation. I called my wife and had her give me the phone number of the closest ace hardware store about 10 miles away. I then called the store and spoke to a very friendly man who assisted me over the phone with all the items i needed from the mop to corigated tubing to shop vac to sump pump and knew the items off the top of his head, no uh..... im not sure, no let me transfer you to another deparment (10 minutes wait then disconected), no rude attitude. He even offered to put aside the items i needed aside and have my wife pick them up while i got started on the basement. No running from deparment to department trying to find items with no one to help you. I asked the man if he had any pallets i could buy and he says his whole outside wall is stacked with pallets and im more then welcome to them as long as im a customer of the store. I called my wife and she left in the van to get the items, they even placed the items in the van for her along with a couple small pallets. I went back a couple days later to tell the owner i apreciate what his employees did for me and picked up a couple more pallets so everything is all good now. Now that i think about the whole treating pallets like gold thing ramiro was talkng about i realized nearly all of the pallets menards has are ones they recieve FREE from their suppliers when they recieve items and just reuse them. so technically if menards is reselling pallets shouldn't the money go back to the suppliers of menards based on the number of pallets they ship menards instead of menards keeping the money. I can see now my situation i have discovered follows in the footsteps on what the original article was based on.
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>> posted by AJ on 6/18/2008 5:56:29 PM
I am displeased with all the negativity coming from everyone. Ramiro is stating his opinion, just like everyone else has a right to. Just because most of his opinions are positive, doesnt mean that everyone has to put him down. Yes some Menards unfortunately have problems, but it doesnt mean every store does. Any other Corporate store likely has some of the same problems as Menards does. As for the guy who spends a whopping 3 to 4 thousand a year at Menards, as much as Menards appreciates your business, why do you think just because you spend 3 to 4 thousand a YEAR, when people spend that in a single DAY, do you think you have a right to put down Menards? Was it a mistake that the manager hung up on you? I've accidentally hung up on people before, it's an honest mistake. But i don't know your story, im just speaking on personal experience, just as Ramiro has been. I will be an employee at Menards almost 5 years now, and most days absolutely love working there. I, unlike most people posting negative comments on here, appreciate the policys that Menards has. I understand that there needs to be rules. Just because people don't want to follow them because they think they are benefiting John Menard, doesn't mean they have to defame him for it.
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>> posted by mayor on 6/18/2008 7:38:48 PM
So three or four thousand doesn't register on the big spender scale? I guess my measly six hundred dollar purchase that got me pi++ed at Menards isn't anywhere worthy of mention. What I did spend elsewhere however probably got me on par with Dan Bailey but still not worthy of preffered customer status in AJ's store. I know that my retailer loves getting my business. Dan Bailey don't settle for the big boxes,try one of the little guys if they have'nt all been exterminated in your area. These little guys are fighting for survival and would bend over backwards to have your patronage. Once again,if this insane retail battle forces out all other competition what do you really think will happen to prices? I'll bet that helping us save money will no longer be their stated purpose. They might even be able to cut their advertising budget and lose that nauseating jingle.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 6/19/2008 10:20:12 AM
As a Menard employee for 20 years I can verify the negative parts of the article. Ramiro is someone I have had contact with many times over the years as he skulked about the Menard underworld. He puts a pretty good spin on his life at Menards. In his postings he makes a few comments about his Catholic faith, which is good for him, as I'm sure he spent a lot of time in the confessional to get his sins forgiven.

Most of the negative things written and posted about Menards are accurate. The anti-union policy is accurate and it is illegal as it violates the national labor relations act. It specifically states that applicants cannot be discriminated against based on prior union membership. The only way this will be prosecuted is if a union tries to "salt" members into employment at Menards. Individual jobseekers do not have the knowledge, time or resources to go after them for it. If enough people who applied at Menards and were turned down as they had former union membership, were organized by a class action attorney then something might change.

Menards is under investigation by the EEOC and a group in Illinois is undertaking an effort to get a class action certified for discrimination against African Americans. Menards never filed an EEOC-1 report as required by any company with over a certain number of employees(150 I think). Menards said it was an oversight and they did not know it was required. Pretty laughable excuse for a multibillion dollar company with a large legal staff. Any store manager or even department manager who went to meetings in Eau Claire understands what they are trying to hide. It's like walking into a meeting of the Klan.

The class action that is being certified is something all minority employees should look into. (Menendez v. Menards) A federal judge just threw out the arbitration clause because Menards makes employees pay for their own attorneys plus 50 percent of the arbitration fees. Because Menards would not cover the arbitration fees of the process for the additional employees beyond the first the judge threw it out. If employees had to pay the arbitration fee it would be impossible for them to fight for their rights under federal law. If employees sued under federal discrimination laws they could recover attorney fees plus expenses which they cannot do under Menards arbitration agreement. That is the reason the federal judge threw out the clause and is allowing the case to go to federal court. I imagine Menards will tie this up for years while the appeal it. If any employees or applicants feel they were discriminated against then they should get involved with this lawsuit.

People on the outside ask "why did or do you stay?" Its all about the money. As a manager at menards it was possible to make a lot of money and this compensated for some of the crap that we had to put up with. The money is no longer the same anymore as raises have not kept up with inflation and bonuses are a fraction of what they used to be. That is the reason I left. I make more money and work less than at anytime in my 20 years with Menards. In the past this would not of been possible but with the bonus cuts it is definately possible.

To the Menard defenders, I just say that I used to be one them too. With time and experience comes knowledge and wisdom. You to will learn and come to understand how they run the business and treat their employees. Larry is a happy go lucky guy when talking to associates on the floor but when the T.M. is gone the manager he is walking around will get an earfull. If you have a good manager they will protect their team from the worst aspects of Menards but the bad is still their.
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>> posted by AJ on 6/21/2008 3:30:26 PM
Mayor, im not saying it "doesn't register on the big spender scale." I was mearly pointing out that people always give the excuse they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars there a year, and we have people that spend that in a day. Menards does appreciate the purchases of everybody, but when consumers think they should always have their way because of their hundreds or thousand dollars of purchases there a year, its ridiculous, not to mention annoying. I'm sure other corporations have problems just as Menards does, so just because Menards has a few problems doesnt mean everything has to be blown out of proportion and be totally one-sided. And about the money thing, Menards pays pretty good compared to some of the other corporations. I'll agree that fines and bonuses are a bunch of crap, but to have something like profit sharing for most employees is something that many others don't have. The fines and bonuses are just there to get team members to do their jobs. And to say that because Ramiro says the truth and that he is putting a spin on what he says is just ridiculous. This whole article is ridiculous and this has gotten way out of control.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/21/2008 8:06:04 PM
I do not intentionally try and put any spin on anything. I have merely shared actual true experiences from my 22 years of directly reporting to John Menard. I do not think the article is ridiculous and has gotten out of control. I am surprised that it has gone this long; hope it goes on a lot longer because I have tons of expereinces to share if people wish to know true things at Menards. I am not opposed to shopping at Menard competitors; I personally have been at a local Ace hardware three times in last week that a close friend of mine manages. The prices were higher but it in other ways. A lot faster and easier to shop at a small Ace then a 200,000 square foot Menards. If competitors put their minds to it and put more emphasis on service and good merchandising they certainly can get their share of market dollars. The big box retailers, including Menards, do not own entire retail business.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/21/2008 8:29:43 PM
I do not know about all of the supposed chemical dumpings at Menards. I do know there are procedures and policies in place for proper handling of returned chemicals, paints and leaking cintainers. Which do not include dumping down the drain instructions. While at Wal-Mart it was no different. I personally fired an employee dumping ***** down a drain. He said it was easier then filling out the paperwork. I fired him on the spot; he had been at Wal-Mart for 8 years. There is no excuse for lazy ass employees to not follow environmental rules in this day and age. Keep in mind it has not always been this way. I grew up on a farm where used oil was dumped on fence lines to prevents plant growth and poured used oil on gravel roadway along driveway to keep traffic dust to a minimum. What is so wrong with all that when the oil came from the ground to begin with. I am being facetious but as the years have progressed it is nothing to screw around with. If employees of Menards screwed up, got caught and it resulted in fines too bad. I hope the lazy asses involved also lost their jobs. With the millions of acres and hundreds, perhaps thousands of city blocks getting totally flooded recently in entire Midwest, wonder who is going to get fined on all the pollution. Is Menards also to blame here; that's about how ridiculous some of postings in this article are.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 6/22/2008 1:53:26 AM
What about the days before there was a policy on hazardous waste disposal. The policy came about because Menards got whacked by the EPA. There was no way to dispose of waste chemicals or gasoline set up by the company. The only way was to dump it on the ground or dump it down the drain or manhole. Was there no hazardous waste before the policy? If John was willing to put out CCA ashes out with his garbage when he is worth billions then it should be apparent what the unwritten policy of the company was. Before the current procedure was in place, there were fines for sending back equipment with gas in them or damaged chemical containers. How was disposal to be done? Dump it!

Menards has always had a bunch of unwritten policies on how to do things. That should be apparent to anyone.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/22/2008 12:07:57 PM
Formerly Bled Blue, you are absolutely correct I am 61 years old and I know there were not any stingent pollution laws, nor policies in place at Menards or other retailers. Long ago I remember seeing a customer returning, I believe a lawn mower, he was told it could not be returned with fuel in it so he was outside the store dumping it in the ditch at end of parking lot. With fuel at four dollars a gallon people no longer dump fuel. I am not condoning any EPA violations, if people want to continue to violate current laws, they best be prepared to pay the penalty whatever that may be. There surely are still unwritten policies at Menards, when Menard employees break even the unwritten rules or policies, they should be prepared to pay the price, ignorance is no excuse. Breaking written laws by anyone becomes a legal matter with much more severe consequences, wealth or even clout does not make it right when courts get involved and judges or jurys end up having to reach a verdict. The sad part about it all is how things have evolved over the years, nothing seems to be exempt from something being wrong anymore. What the future holds in store for all future waste is unlimited. Here is one that caught my attention. Billions of plastic waste bottles have been generated from using them for soda, juices, water and many other packaged liquid products being sold. Wal-Mart is now offering pillows made from recycled plastic bottles. They feel like any other soft pillows but I do not think it would be anything I would want to fall asleep on. Since Menards sells mattrasses perhaps they will be added to their inventory; Wal-Mart is selling a lot of them. What next?
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 6/23/2008 11:09:06 AM
To posting of June 10 by Menards Invaded Mayberry, you wonder, and perhaps others, whether I have a friends with benefits relationship with John Menard. I assume you are inferring that John Menard is compensating me for contents of my postings. ABSOLUTELY NOT, first of all I do not believe I have once mentioned that John Menard and I are friends. It has always a working relationship, you see I do not want to be classified or pretend to be a friend of John Menard because I know of too many instances where supposed friends have turned around and attempted to screw over John Menard. I left John Menards employment two years ago and the last time I received anything of monetary value from him was at Xmas time. That in itself is another interesting story. It was the week of Xmas when a FedEx truck driver delivered a holiday package to my home. As I the FedEx driver handed me the package he commented on how nice it must be to personaaly know the richest guy in Wisconsin. He was impressed that he was sending me a bright holiday package. I seriously doubt that John Menard made a special shopping trip to find me a Xmas present. A lot of vendors send all sorts of presents and packages of food product at Xmas time to Menard Inc home office. They all go across John Menards office and he redirects them to different departments, especially the food ones. What I received was a big package of colognes from I believe Australia. I am sure it was not cheap stuff, and even though it was a re-gift, I though it was nice of John Menard to take the time to personally hand address the package to my home address. The comments by FedEx driver reminded of who John Menard is. It reminded me of the many lunches and dinners I had with him over the years. It reminded me of when I was working at a Twin City store and he took the time to phone me to ask if I had time to have linch with him. He picked me up and after eating at Baker's Square, him and I toured the local Home Depot. It was a great experience walking thru a Home Depot with the owner president of Menards and no one at HD even noticed. I was honored that he took the time. There's more to this story but I do not have time for all of it right now. Again, John Menard IS NOT compensating me one iota for anything I have written in my postings. If he has in fact been reading any of this, or has someone monitoring these postings and reporting back to him, I am aware of it. If John Menard wishes to send me any sort of contribution I will gladly accept it but I am not holding my breath or losing any sleep waiting for it. Again, what I have written is fact true to life experiences at Menards and will continue to postings as I see fit, or perhaps not at all?
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>> posted by former team member on 6/23/2008 9:33:40 PM
I wonder how the fed ex man would react if he found out a gift he was under the inpression would be insured for several thousand dollars was actually a hand me down gift. That to me just proves how cheap rich people can be. all they care about is the net worth amount to be printed on their tombstone and nothing about other people. I guess a 2nd hand cologne set beats my menards gift of a 3inch by 5 inch american flag glued to a wood dowel with a little tag that states MADE IN CHINA. I mailed it to jay leno and hoping to see it on his headline segment sometime.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 6/25/2008 8:42:36 PM
Ramiro,
You sure do have a knack at misdirection when anyone brings up anything negative about John and Menards business practices. Pollution and toxic waste disposal laws predated Menards violations. With John being extremely cheap they are always looking for a way to save a buck. Do you really think they didn't know that taking toxic waste home and putting out with Johns trash was illegal? How about filling in a stream in Souix Falls for the new store? Menards got fined and probably tried to blame the the contractor(They always try to blame someone else for anything that goes wrong)? The micromanagement by the construction project managers really makes this idea ridiculous. They have record for environmental fines in Wisconsin.

The company had no policies on how to deal with waste so it was one of those "unwritten policies" that Menards is famous for. Just like the illegal "unwritten" policy of not hiring anyone who was ever employed in a union business. How about the lack of minorities working at the GO that is being investigated by the EEOC. The only minorities I ever saw come from the GO were you and the asian guy from store planning. How is that defensible?

If Todd W is still reading this- I always wondered what happened to you. Its amazing how people disappear so fast from the Menard world.
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>> posted by menards yard employee on 6/26/2008 10:38:20 AM
I been following this page for months and its time to add my concern. yesterday i was helping a customer dig though fence panels trying to find a decent one and as i was moving one i got a sliver pushed into my finger. i was worried as i could tell it went fairly deep so after after helping the customer i went to the manager and asked if he had a pair of tweezers to use. his reply was sarcasm calling me a baby and to tough it out. so went to the store manager and he told me if needed tweezers so bad i needed to punch out buy that with my money, remove the sliver on my time then punch in when i was ready to work again. I told him and about 15 other people that i felt it was competly stupid and it really upset me. my concern now between this situation and postings on here is what would happen if i or anyone had serious work injury how would it be trying to get any workman compemsation from menards. im not talking about the slipping on ice and expecting 100,000 dollars but a honest cut and needing stiches at a hospital. it sounds like menards would use every excuse to avoid paying the bill. my past job and most companies are honest about that if your honest about your injury but if menards is a prick about a pair of tweezers for a sliver i hope i never get a more serious injury since i probably wouldnt even get a get well card from the company
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 6/26/2008 7:01:53 PM
Yard employee,
It sounds as if either it wasn't bad or your managers are just idiots. Everything I have seen over the years shows the work comp insurance company is pretty good to work with. Things may be changing as cost cutting seems more important than taking care of team members. I have seen a few people hurt badly and the insurance company seemed very concerned and took care of their medical and pay. Who knows how long that would last if the injury was bad though.
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>> posted by someone in the know on 6/27/2008 6:55:57 PM
this article was written after interviewing some disgruntled ex-employees, a distant cousin, and ex business assoicates with an axe to grind. Not very fair and balanced to say the least. John gave 15 million to the Mayo clinic, but according to most you bloggers here he is a greedy ***** He has also gave alot of money to the university of Wisconsin and several other charities. He has never been one to brag about his donations, like most businesses and rich people who do it for the pubilicity. It isn't very Christian to brag about such things is it? As far as Ed Archibald, he was caught red handed strong arming vendors to give him several thousands of dollars of building materials for his rental properties. Regardless of what Ed says there was proof. Ed was one of John's most trusted executives and, I believe he considered him a personal friend, he wouldn't of fired him without proof.
Andy Petree was to provide competitive, current race cars for Paul Menard with Menard inc. sponsorship to drive per the contract with Menard's. Instead he tried to pass off 2-3 year old refurbished cars as new. They were not competitive and Andy did not live up to his end of the contract. If John really broke his contract with Petree without cause, I'm sure there would of been a lawsuit filed by Petree. There was none.
as far as all these ex-employee bloggers, most of the complaining I read sounds like problems with your immediate supervisors, things I'm sure John knows nothing about and had nothing to do with, past the fact his name is on the building. John has made mistakes in business and in his personel life, but who hasn't? He is just a man like you or me. we all screw up from time to time, that is just being human.
The fact is that Menard's has provided 1000's of midwestern families with a decent living and consumers with low prices 2nd to none
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>> posted by mayor on 6/28/2008 1:25:38 PM
Of course John doesn't know about individual employee complaints. According to what I am reading from your so called complainers it never seems to get that far,if you are a current employee. John did however create the culture that now exists, a confusing mixture of written,unwritten and discretional policies that are intended to maintain a level of fear for one's job and livelihood. This tends to silence any civil rights complaints. You Menard cheerleaders keep bringing up the fact that the article was written by interviewing disgruntled former associates. WHY is the majority disgruntled? Also the people in the know always seem to know John personally so you are likewise biased. The members of the court never disrespect the king for fear of losing their heads or to be banished to some store in frostbite Montana. As for his benevolence to The Mayo Clinic. Doesn't it make sense to provide funding for state of the art medical equipment to the hospital that is going to be trying to save your life? Just another example of John covering all of his bases. Now if only he could persuade the DNR to be his freind.
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>> posted by someone in the know on 6/30/2008 7:04:40 PM
mayor for guy that has never worked at Menard's or met John Menard you sure have alot of opinions. Alot of what was is the orginal article was untrue as I pionted out earlier. But you believed what you wanted to, fine whatever. Menard's has 10's of thousand employees, because 20 or so of them blogged bad things on this negative biased article, the majority is disgruntled? It seems to me that you don't like Menard's, Walmart and such because they are nonunion that's fine. But to bash a guy as bad as you did that you don't know personally is out of line.
I do know John personally, but I don't work for him. I do know alot of people that work for him that are very happy. There are no stores in frostbite or anywhere else in Montana to banish people to. But when Menard's does open stores in Montana I'm sure they will send the best people they can seeing it is so far from the headquarters. John has accomplished the American dream, son of a diaryfarmer to a billionaire. He should be very proud. Socialists like you think everybody should payed the same and noone should get ahead. Worked well in the USSR didn't. I'm done with you now. Go try to organize the local diary queen now and quit blogging about things you know nothing about.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 6/30/2008 10:45:56 PM
Someone in the know,
I hate to burst your bubble but the negative aspects of the article are basically true. I don't know much about John's family life but if you think he doesn't know what is going on, then you are foolish. John keeps everything in the company under his thumb and he has people that go out and report things to him. The company is subject to a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination in Illinois federal court. The EEOC is investigating the General Office for racial discrimination and I can tell you in all my years as a store manager I saw two minorities come from the GO.

And it's not Montana they banish people too, it is International Falls Minnesota.

The part about not hiring any former union workers is also true. Some say that John can hire as he pleases because its his company but this is a violation on the National Labor Relations Act. If any people applied and were not hired and they were former union members would probably have a case for suing the company under the NLRA.

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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 7/1/2008 12:13:28 PM
About Ed Archibald, a name like Atilla The Hun would better serve him. He thrived on intimidation; the more he could intimidate someone the better he was, or so he thought. I remember one day when he was totally out of control, on the other hand , his normal self. I was merchandise manager for wall coverings and wall coverings at the time. I was sitting at my desk in lower floor of General Office. Unless things have changed, every single item that is in Menard stores is approved by John Menard. It is quite a process, before going to John for final approval there was paper work going back and forth many times between merchandise managers and Ed Archibald, sometimes the actual sample was sent along with it. Archibald took offense to some snide comment I wrote; he came unglued and came down to my desk and slammed samples of wood flooring on my desk so hard it disintegrated the stacked wire baskets full of paperwork. Stuff flew every which way. He was screaming f words at me so loud I told him to lower his voice and calm down before he had a heart attack. That needless to say pissed him off even more; he finally walked away. It was so loud the entire building surely heard it. Shortly after, John Menards daughter, Renee, came down from her advertising office and asked if I was OK. She must have reported back to John because shortly after that John phoned and asked if I would join him for dinner that evening. At dinner John asked me if everything was OK between Ed Archibald and I; I told him everything was fine if I could not handle it I would let him know. I did tell him that Archibald's tantrums did not scare me but I found it stupid that he acted that way, and one day if it continued he would end up having heart health problems. The subject was dropped and we talked about a lot of other things. Dropped until the next day when Archibald asked to have lunch with me. John told him to have lunch with me and apoligize for his stupid behavior.

I found out Ed Archibald was gone when I stopped unannounced at Johnson Creek, Wisconsin store one day. Store manager recognized me and could not wait to ask me if I was aware that Archibald was gone. I immediately asked if that meant he was dead. He showed me an e-mail notice that Charlie Menard had sent to all store with notification of Archibald no longer working for Menards. As this store manager relayed to me, Ed had appliance vendors deliver appliances to his rental apartments without going thru Menards. How true is that, I could not tell you, but needless to say Menards has survivied just fine without Atilla The Hun. He knew the rules and he chose to break them; he got his just reward. However nothing suprises me, the day could come when he makes amends with John Menard.
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>> posted by (Withheld) on 7/3/2008 2:58:45 PM
Your article about Menard was dead right, but the story of Menard's mean nature was incomplete. I worked for the organization's home office for several months.

The corporate atmosphere was fraught with a palpable tension. The building is shabby and worn. The few bathrooms are disgustingly dirty and always overcrowded. The work days are peppered with loud, foul language. Phone abuse of other employees is often heard. Management was terse and often rude, and the pay was abysmal.

In all my experience, I've never seen such a display of unprofessional behavior.

A company can truly reflect the heart of it's ownership.
Menard, despite his millions, is a sad case. Thank you for pointing it out.
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>> posted by uncle sam on 7/3/2008 10:45:59 PM
Happy holidays to all of you lucky menards team members who get the honor of working on july 4th 2008. Im sure the extra 2.50 a hour you will be making more then compensates you and your familys and friends for you missing out on all your hoilday events. Who needs to celebrate the country's independance when you can spend the day in the loving arms of someone who nags you to face end caps and break your back unloading pallets of bricks. Years from now when your family looks back in photo albums im sure everyone will understand you missing from the pictures because you were making 11.30 a hour including your 2.50 holiday bonus pay. Hats off to Mr. Menard
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>> posted by a no body on 7/4/2008 8:41:45 PM
Ya,the 2.50 extra an hour today really go's a long way not! Getting yelled at by the store manager about something happening on my day off is the best or getting a fine on my day off. It doesn't get any better than that. Independence day, I no independance if I work for Menards due to much of there products coming from china.
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>> posted by shawn gach on 7/5/2008 12:35:57 PM
time to kick ramiro duenes in the balls!
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>> posted by mayor on 7/5/2008 10:50:40 PM
Someone in the know. Socialist huh. I didn't know that caring about workers rights and their future security was reason to consider myself a socialist. How about my concern for our planet and a dislike for willful polluters and resource squanderers. I guess that's boldfaced anti-capitalism. I wonder how much diesel fuel it takes to ship those pallets to Eau Claire. I'm sure it's worth every penny in John's mind.
I do admire a self-made billionaire capitalist who happens to show concern for the environment and is spending his money for the good of mankind. His name is Bill Gates
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 7/6/2008 2:50:31 PM
Shawn Gach, are you a former employee of Menards? Did I do something to you personally that would cause you to say it was time to kick me in the balls? FYI, you saying that does not hurt my feelings. You are welcome to express yourself in any way you so desire, so is anyone else including blogger Mayor, that Someone In The Know was also condeming. I cannot help but think that perhaps you were a victom of my reports to John Menard, perhaps you lost your job over it? Understand I did not without consciense report anything from my visits to Menard stores or with intent of anyone losing their job. I do believe however that perhaps there were such results over the years. I still maintain that I, in person, experienced the other side of the story about many happenings at Menards. Some things were totally bad, some were actually good, that helped make things better for both employees and customers.

An example may perhaps even be Todd Werner leaving Menards after his getting demoted. Todd was first blogger to this article, claiming that he did not know why he got demoted; their was no reason he claims. He was a buyer for many years and I wonder whether it had anything to do with out of stocks? You see a lot of my reporting was on store out of stocks. There is absolutely no reason for entire Menard store chain to be out of stock, when I would notice a lot of out of stocks I would check out the competition, if they could be in stock, why was Menards sold out. I am just guessing but perhaps the products Todd was responsible for were a problem too many times. Trust me, Todd was not demoted for no reason.
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>> posted by David Stephenson on 7/7/2008 1:42:00 AM
Ramiro Duenes sounds like the biggest snitch who ever existed, and he is so proud of it. Im sure it must be a great power trip to watch a employee work the the garden center for a hour in 95 degree weather then as soon as they go in the store to get a drink from the water fountin go tell their manager that so and so is not being productive, then run back to corperate and brag about getting someone fired. well ramio my name is David Stephenson and work at one of the menards stores. Im currently making 9.00 a hour after my last raise and 2 and half years employment. I noticed in all your comments you never mentioned pay. Heres the news folks menards gives a whole 10 cents raise every 6 months............. but only if the department and store managers aprove it and you pass a multiple choice test where they ask you questions where most the questions dont apply to your department and also can have more then one correct answer depending on your point of view. The last time i had the raise the managers tried to refuse it based on me focusing too much on customer service instead of stocking but as soon as i mentioned how can i transfer to antother store they changed their mind. Like its my fault they only have one or 2 employees in each department, and dont feel im out of line assisting a customer in another department after they gest fustrated waiting for help over half a hour. trust me folks when im spending 6.00 a day on gas round trip just to get to work do you really think a 10 cent per hour raise or 8 cents after taxes goes a long way? so Ramiro if you want to turn me in for giving out menards secret of 10 cent raises every 6 months your more then welcome too, as im sure it does wonders for your self esteme.
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>> posted by AJ on 7/7/2008 3:37:16 PM
Why are you complaining on spending only a mere 6 bucks on gas a day round trip?! And 9 bucks an hour is pretty good im sure compared to other places. And having to take a test isn't that big of a deal, because they are checking to see if you are competent enough to actually deserve that raise. And as for the comments on working the fourth of July, Menards wasn't the only retailer open on the Fourth, and getting an extra 2.50 for working is pretty good. If you can't commit yourself to a job, find another one that you don't have to work holidays, and stop complaining. Besides, on holidays, stores close early, so team members can spend time with family.
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>> posted by scotbear8175 on 7/8/2008 8:53:23 AM
Hey, AJ.....
Store-closings at 6pm are hardly time-enough to spend with family...especially if the employee (team members---blech...) has to work 6am the next morning. But I digress...

Being a gate-guard, I had a view of all things unique to the store I was at in the Milwaukee region. I fielded a lot of complaints from customers (guests---blech...) regarding QUALITY of merchandise which was mostly crap.

Regarding the yard people...they were the hardest working, most talented people in the store. They were also the most harrassed by the sorry excuse for a GM.

A fish rots from the head---down.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 7/8/2008 9:00:51 AM
Posting by David Stephenson, you are welcome to call me the biggest snitch or anything else you so desire. I was compensated for the challange and opportunity presented me. I have no regrets; if employees of Menards lost their jobs over my reporting, so be it, they did it to themselves by their actions. I know of only one situation where termination of an employee was unjustified. Menards used to own their own delivery trucks driven by Menard employees. A number of years that was switched over to contracted haulers. One day, long ago on my way out of Rochester I stopped at Rochester Menards North. Their was a 5-ton flat loaded to the hilt with building materials going to Owatonna, MN., which is about 40 miles from Rochester. I asked outside yard manager, John Zaft, who came by as I was looking over the loaded truck. I asked him where it was going and if anyone had checked oil and fluid levels. He responded by telling me everything was fine, he had just checked it himself. I popped the hood open and the oil dip stick did not register any oil; in that type of vehicle it was at least two quarts low. I showed dip stick to OS yard manager and he told me he would take care of it, did not know where the oil went since it was OK when he had just checked it. I took a picture of the truck and went into store and told store manager I did not appreciate being lied to and sent in a report along with the picture. I found out later that Jack Mettler, senior merchandise manager had phoned store telling store manager that someones head to roll on this one. The driver who was not the one that lied to me got fired. There is more to the story; the reason I even questioned the oil and fluid levels was because I had week prior been at Golden Valley, MN store where their delivery truck engine had blown up because of lack of oil. When I learned of the wrong person getting fired I told store manager that he best contact Jack Mettler about wrong person getting fired. He obviously chose not to, John Zaft to this day remains outside manager at this store. You still feel I should just have ignored things in doing the job I was asked to do; there are many other such examples of what I did.

David Stephenson, I no longer am employed by Menards and I am not going to turn you in for anything. Why are you so paranoid? You are just as important as any one else at Menards and I would advise you to do the best you can and if you get fired for that, screw it, as long as you truely believe you gave your best. I admire you for having the balls to give your name when expressing your thoughts, while still employed at Menards. If you are truely unhappy with things still continue to do your best, other opportunities will open up at Menards, or else seek other employment where you will not be miserable.
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>> posted by shawn gach on 7/8/2008 2:34:42 PM
POSTING BY RAMIRO DUENES: YOU NEVER DID ANYTHING TO ME I CAN JUST TELL YOUR A HOMO BY HOW YOU WRITE MENARDS IS THE BEST JOB EVER! ***** THAT. 10 CENT PAY RAISES CAN KISS MY ASS! YOU NEED TO GET IN THE REAL WORLD OUTSIDE MENARDS, GO GET LAID OR SOMETHING
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>> posted by A1 9 BLOCKER on 7/10/2008 10:06:21 PM
2 sides to every story...

I remember reading this article when it came out. Name 1 president or CEO of a major US corporation who is a saint.

A couple of weeks after this story came out, the Eau Claire Leader-Telegram interviewed JM for a rebuttal. It was titled "That's Not Me" or something to that effect. Pretty good read, John refutes the claims in the Milwaukee Mag article and doesn't hold back. The main points are that he of course does care about his kids, he created jobs, and also addresses all the people who criticize him for firing so many employees. He said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) that "if you aren't going to run the store according to my policies and directives you shouldn't be working there." For a company that has been growing for 40 years under his rule, this is a valid point.

Being an employee for the last 10 years I can say that a majority of the people I've seen let go where fired for a legit reason (no-shows, incompetence, chronic lateness, cheating on time cards, failed random drug tests, etc.).

Of the 4 companies I've worked for (3 being large corporations) this is the one that you truly get out of it what you put into it. Promotions are based on merit, not kissing up (WHAT you know, not WHO you know). People that go the extra mile, have a good attitude, and are capable ARE noticed and promoted if they choose to accept it.

I am neither a John fanboy nor was I paid to write this, but come on. Just because a bunch of disgruntled former employees have ill will towards the company and John means it is a bad company or person?

Please.

I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 7/10/2008 11:32:43 PM
A1 9 Blocker,

How about some of the things I have addressed previously?
Illegally refusing to hire anyone who ever worked at a union business.(unwritten rule)

No minorities at the GO. I saw two in 20 years. EEOC investigation of Menards for never turning in an EEOC 1 report and racial discrimination at the GO. They fought this for five years and I wonder why it was fought with such vigor. This is required report of minorities and women employed. Corporate Counsel statement was it was an oversight. I know the lawyers Menard's has on staff are not the best, but come on.

Dumping of toxic waste, John taking toxic waste home to put out with his trash. Until they got burned repeatedly by the EPA there was no policy for disposing of gasoline and chemicals. The standard operating procedure was to dump on the ground or down a manhole.(Another unwritten rule)

Filling in a stream in South Dakota.

In all my time as a store manager I saw only one African American in store management(AGM).

The company lost the first round of a class action lawsuit based on racial discrimination in Illinois federal court district. I'm sure it will go on for years but hopefully they will eventually lose. This one could break Johns piggy bank.

We all know what a micro manager that John is, so I think we can all draw the right conclusion about his knowledge and involvement in these things. Is it possible that a company can be bad? Yes, If it reflects the personality of the person who keeps his thumb on all aspects of the company.
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>> posted by member of the team on 7/11/2008 1:04:54 AM
mr. A1 9 blocker. you refer to people getting ahead there based on what they know? why then are raises 10 cents every six months at a pre determined date?? Sure you can be turned down for the raise if the managers are not on your side. But for example if 20 difffernt customers come up to the general manager in 3 months and tell them joe is extremly helpful to them with their projects and joe is flawlessy on time to work every day and covers for employees who take days off, the general manager has absolutly no ability to move up the date of the raise, increase the amout of the raise, or give joe a raise at store management discression. 20 cents a year is by no means moving up and no where near the inflation to cost of living. Honestly if cost of living raises faster then your pay then your sinking instead of moving ahead. I guess the corperate payroll department "team memebers" are not required to have taken economics 101 to get their job.
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>> posted by AJ on 7/15/2008 12:40:45 PM
Thanks A1 9 Blocker! Its good to have another positive person here. To Member of the team...there have been cost of living raises issued to team members. And to some people, making guests happy shopping at Menards is maybe a little more important than getting a raise. Sure it would be nice to get a raise if many people compliment you, but helping guests and making them happy is part of every team members job.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 7/15/2008 2:04:19 PM
Posting by Shawn Gach, thank you for the info.,. I will now be able to sleep nights knowing I did not do anything to you. As for you resorting to calling me names, call me all the names you so desire, does not bother me one iota. I do not remember having stated that Menards was the best job ever, more on that on another posting. Also, more on the rest of your three line posting later; I have more important family things needing attention right now. I do have input on pay raises, the world outside Menards and getting laid. Your somewhat sheltered narrow mind brings up some interesting points. Later.
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>> posted by mayor on 7/16/2008 9:30:07 PM
Good heavens AJ what a dedicated team member you are. Have you always been so willing to serve or is this something that occurred after watching too many Menards Team Member training videos. You know those things have subliminal messages in them don't you. But if you truly want to help the guests AND make John happy you may like to consider taking a pay cut. Or at least take your own toilet paper to work with you for goodness sakes and take one for the team. Now go practice self-flagellation and repeat to yourself...I will be a better Team Member...I will be a better Team Member...I will be a better Team Member...
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>> posted by Withheld on 7/16/2008 10:36:00 PM
This blog controversy seems to have a life of it's own. Maybe some other readers have guessed that JM himself is one of his so called 'defenders'.

This ins't the first time he's handled things under an alias, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Isn't that right, 'Ray'?
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>> posted by John Q Public on 7/18/2008 4:30:27 PM
If anyone out there works for lowes, home depot, hardware store, or general lumber stores near a menards store watch out for people trying to buy your entire stock of a commom item required to do a project such as coils of roofing nails or 5 gallon driveway sealer containers. I overheard recently menards corperate is asking employees to go to other stores to buy up inventories one specific item needed to do commom projects. That way the other stores will be out in theory, and the customer will have to go to menards. To me that doesn't sound to be of proper ethics but it does go along with everything menards belives in.
remember you can save big money by buying low quality imported junk.
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>> posted by Robert on 7/18/2008 8:53:13 PM
On 07 17 2008 I was treated very poorly in a local Menards store Galseburg illinois to be exact. I went to purchase an air compressor as I have been building a new gerage from the ground up. After spending around 6000.00 for materials my compressor gave out. I found one for 179.00 that looked like it would be a good one. Just as I was loading it my wife pointed out the same unit but it had two nail guns included it. I could not find a price on it so I asked one of the workers if he knew how much it was. He checked the sku number written on the side of the box and told me it was the same price as the one with out the nail guns. I asked him why it was the same and he replied it must be a special deal. He helped me put the first one back and load the second one. When I got to the register to pay for the item it came up 279.00. I asked them to call the person that had given me the price and had them enter the sku number writen on the side of the box. It came up 179.00. I asked them to have a maniger meet me over in the isle so that we could try and find out the price on the second set up and while I was waiting in the isle another worker came over and asked if he could help. I asked him how much the combo set was and he looked up the sku number that was on all 4 boxes and again told me 179.00. I told him what had happened and that I was waiting on a maniger to talk to. The employee moved over about 4 feet and got on the radio and called security to have them check the isle we were in to see if I had changed the sku number on the box. With my wife, son , and daughter all standing with me waiting he basicaly accused me of trying to steal from them. Did I forget to tell you the boxes were all at the top of the racks about 10 or 11 feet high and they had to go get a set of staires to get one down. I questioned the employee what he had said and was told that he did not say anything. The maniger showed up abouth that time and asked me if he could help. I told him what had happened and he said to me did I come to buy a compressor by itself or one that was a set. I told him I was told a price for the set of 179.00 by two of his employes and that all the sku's on the boxes said it was 179.00. He again asked me what I wanted to do. I dont belive it is up to me what I wanted to do or not I belive it should have been up to him to make that very important decsion. You see I will be returning the door, shingles, sideing, trim, lights, all the electrical suplies, locks, and anything else I have not installed as soon as I can. I will also not be buying the 4000.00 to 6000.00 dollers of building suplies for the new deck I am starting next or the two bathrooms that need to be done this year. I called the store today to talk to the manager and had the same expierence today and felt the same anger I felt last night when I was accused of stealing from them. So I guess I made the right choice when I thanked him for his help last night and told him I would see him in a few days to return the rest of what I had not used. It is too bad that the customer is not always right or even treated with dignity. If my spelling is not the best I am still very upset about how I was treated and am getting frustrated as I wright this.
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>> posted by Mossman on 7/19/2008 8:29:33 PM
Robert, as someone who managed a Menards department several years ago, I can sympathise with you. But let me offer some insight into your recent shopping experience and hopefully explain to you what probably happened.

I say probably because the situation you described happens when employees are not careful when stocking merchandise and by accident write the wrong sku number on the side of the box. When I managed a department, I always instructed the crew to scan the item into the computer to retrieve the correct sku number. Once the number was displayed, they could then write the correct sku number on the side of the box and place it either on the shelf or in an overstock area. It appears to me that this is where the error occured because when you went to the checkout and had the item scanned, the higher price reflected the actual price of the compressor with the two nail guns.

When the department manager asked you what you wanted to do, he was asking you if you wanted the higher priced compressor with the two guns or the compressor for 179.00. No department manager is authorized to override a price for one hundred dollars.

The associate who got on the radio to call security in my opinion showed poor judgement. Menards did have a terrible problem with inventory shrinkage and I have to believe the problem is worse now then ever. You happened to have an overzealous associate ask you for help and his inexperience left a bad taste in your mouth. I don't blame you as it's unfortunate he embarrassed you in front of your family but I wouldn't take it personal. Employees come from all different backgrounds and few are lucky enough to learn all their lessons in a short amount of time.

Menards does a wonderful job of bringing low prices to the home improvement industry. Without them, you wouldn't have the money available to spend on your family.
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>> posted by dcworker on 7/27/2008 3:23:24 PM
enjoy your dime raise because you dont get any after 13yrs there
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>> posted by Former General Manager on 7/27/2008 11:24:02 PM
I worked for the company for 15 yrs. I left after realizing that it was just time for me to move on and do something different. I will say this. I went from a part time team member making minimum wage to earning 185k yr running a store. I did this with no college education and it allowed me to propel myself to the financial level I am today. John allowed anyone who applied themselves to the concept of the company and high volume retailing to be a success. If you worked hard and applied yourself you could do great. Sure, after awhile the pay was reduced and expenses are reigned in, but you have to make a decision at that point. Either you continue to do your job or find something that is better. For the most part, most of these people that have these complaints and negative things to say are mainly because they could not withstand the high standards and dedication that John expected from all levels. Sure there were things to complain about, but where is the perfect place to work? Thanks to John and the many opportunities.
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>> posted by AJ on 8/1/2008 7:47:25 AM
I'll be sure to do that Mayor...right after you get a clue and stop talking out of your ass. And once again, glad to see some more positive comments from ACTUAL Employees.
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>> posted by Former Menard Wife on 8/4/2008 9:15:10 PM
Well, as the spouse of a former Menards employee I was so happy to read the article in Milwaukee Magazine and share it with all my friends and family members. My husband gave 20 years of his life to that company, starting as a carry out and working his way up to general management. Then one day a district manager by the name of mark who had no idea WTF he was doing screwed him over. Well.....that incident was the 1st in a chain of events that led to his resignation. The funny thing is....they stalked him for months trying to get him back. Sorry guys....he won't be a little Menard ***** anymore! He has a great job, respect and quality of life.
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>> posted by Formerly Bled Blue on 8/4/2008 10:32:09 PM
Former Menard Wife

My wife could not agree with you more. If I was still in the G.M. job, I would probably be divorced by now.
It is very unusual for a GM to leave under their own power as Menards uses them and throws them away when they get burned out.
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>> posted by mayor on 8/7/2008 6:06:15 PM
Hey AJ is that the ACTUAL employee comments you desire. Do spouses count. Oh I know, they're just makin it up and you'll tell us the REAL story about how they squandered their opportunity and screwed up their own careers. What is or was your position with Menards? Corporate Hatchet Man. No doubt you are in a position of power, your arrogance gives you away. You said I'm talking out of where? Well at least I've got my head up my own.
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>> posted by AJ on 8/13/2008 12:15:18 PM
Due to someone speaking on here that I know, I am not disclosing my position with Menards or store location. I will say however that I do not work at Corporate, nor will I likely ever work at Corporate. People tend to exagerate when they are upset with someone or something, so many of the entries from people with this article are likely exagerated. Im not trying to back up Menards, but all I am trying to say is that people don't put the whole truth on here, or all the details. There is always more to the story. If Menards was really screwing people out of their jobs like people on here are saying, then why isn't anything being done about it? Because it isn't true? Maybe...Maybe not.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 8/13/2008 6:49:40 PM
AJ,
What about the in process discrimination suit, the illegal non-hiring of anyone who ever belonged to a union and the EEOC investigation of lack of minorities in upper management and at the GO.? We all know the truth about these things-Maybe...Maybe not.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 8/19/2008 10:09:43 AM
It has been about a month since I last posted anything, been extremely busy with family things. Interesting that postings to this article continue. To those so upset and concerned about the stupid ten cent an hour raise issue. I always saw it as the excuse to evaluate employees on a timely basis the ten cent raise was merely a bonus. To the DC worker who commented about no more ten cent raises after 13 years, have you ever showed interest in promotions, been offered promotion but turned them down. Do you care to share what your annual earnings are after 13 years. Do you care to share anything about your annual earned four weeks of paid vacation. Do you care to share what you have enjoyed doing with your annual instant profit sharing earnings, which I believe is 15 percent of previous years earnings every year. Is your annual Xmas bonus still 250 dollars a year. You are not happy at Menards find some other employment and step aside there are thousand of unemployed people that would gladly take your place. Shawn Gach, does any this answer your a big isssue about 10 cent raises.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 8/19/2008 10:48:47 AM
Shawn Gach, excuse the delay in not responding to your other concerns. I did not say Menards was the best place in the world to work. I did state that I shared 22 years of my life working for John Menard and I did state that I have no regrets about it. F.Y.I., my past job employment history included 9 years at Montgomery Ward, which was my first job. They went out of business after a 100 years for not doing some of the things that John Menard seems to be so condemed for. I became a sales rep working for Harold Hartman, brother to Sid Hartman sports writer for Mpls paper. I sold clothing lines and got an education from one of the best Jews in the business. I learned how some of the business world operated, including under the table corruption when it comes to buyers of companies. I found out that a senior buyer for Montgomery Ward in Twin Cities was getting a new car plus cash pay outs yearly from Harold. It enabled Harolds products to get into Ward stores when other vendors could not, thus I understand and commend John Menard for coming down on buyer corruption within his employ. Buyer corruption does not allow the best costs. I left Harolds employ and repped O.E.M. suppliers, mostly out of Chicago. You would be surprised how many things go into the things you use daily, including the computer you are using. I know about traveling I left it all when my oldest daughter came along. I became a sales manager for a fire safety house selling safety equipment, communication equipment and fire trucks. I had one of the very first mobile phones they worked off tower equipment that had to be physically dialed into and your call would be redialed to destination. I sold a big order of safety barricades for a highway project manufactured them myself. Made enought profit to pay cash for materials for a huge addition to my home. The company that got the bid asked if they could use my name on future bids to allow them to get future bids on minority status because of my minority name. I agreed to do it for a price. I had the itch of being a sales rep again so I answered an ad for a sales rep selling building materials unbeknown to me it was manufacturing arm of Menards. So you see, I have experienced other employment outside Menards it all prepared me for my employment of 22 years of working for John Menard. My past helps me understand some of the things that went on and continue to go on at Menard Inc.,. I agree with a lot of it, not all of it. Shawn, as for getting laid being the answer to anything, if getting your rocks off satisfies you, so be it. Your suggesting it as the answer to anyone else makes you sound like some kind of pervert. Later.
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>> posted by Withheld on 9/1/2008 7:59:40 AM
To 'Ramiro Duenes'

Firstly:
Your reference to '... the best Jews in the business...' and tying it in with corporate corruption is straight out of the Henry Ford handbook of antisemitism. I worked for Menard and knew the sting of subtle Jew baiting, but YOU seem to be more direct in your approach to expressing blind hatred. You learned from the best nazis in the business.

Secondly:
Please learn how to structure your sentences, and at least ATTEMPT to use paragraphs and proper punctuation. In other words, leave the rambling antisemitic rants to the likes of Joseph Goebels.

Sieg Heil!
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>> posted by Menards Worker on 9/1/2008 5:12:37 PM
Larry Menard is a such a bully. I have heard that he penalizes the store for not stocking salt, but he NEVER penalizes for not having other areas full. If you refuse to help a guest when, you will get both barrels from him. Being called a Mother ***** or being told that you are full of ***** is what he would say to you.
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>> posted by d on 9/2/2008 1:58:22 PM
all of you get a life, it is what you thought it was.
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>> posted by AJ on 9/2/2008 4:11:31 PM
Why is Larry Menard a bully because he is trying to get his employees to do their job?!
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>> posted by santa claus on 9/3/2008 1:23:10 AM
If anyone is in the chrismas sprit 3 and a half months early this year, i will be landing my sled in every menards store next week full of cheap chrismas lights, toys, and trees all freshly imported from china. Who cares about the real meaning of christmas and when jesus was born I John mena.............. i mean santa claus want to collect money from all of you now. I want to be ahead of every department store, mall store and hallmark. i see dollar signs left and right over the next few months and I will need a forklift to move my wallet. and as always remember you can give me big money when you shop menards.
Santa claus
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>> posted by concerned parent on 9/3/2008 12:42:40 PM
mr claus,
as a follow up to your posting, are those imported toys going to be painted with lead paint this year? I love my childen very much and never want to see them be hurt.
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>> posted by mayor on 9/5/2008 7:10:52 PM
Ramiro, does it occur to you that selling your heritage for money might be percieved by some of us as a form of prostitution.

Or are you representing minorities as eager to take advantage of the American system

Personally I find either distasteful. That is why I feel compelled to respond whenever one of you self-serving,do-little,arrogant upper management types try to legitimatize your achievements and only expose your phoniness.

This site is and will remain the realm of the little guy. We won't embarass ourselves with the type of behavior it takes to climb your ladder of success, we refuse to kiss anybodys behind, and we won't go away.

So bring it on cake eaters and brown noses,the comments await you.
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>> posted by AJ on 9/6/2008 10:58:10 PM
Get a life Santa Claus. You think menards is the only one that sells merchandise made from china? All businesses try to buy their merchandise as cheap as possible, and over there and down south labor is cheap blah blah blah. GET OVER IT! And mayor, whatever prostitution has to do with this is inconceivable. Who the hell are you to say something like that?! You seem like the phony one here.
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>> posted by support america on 9/8/2008 1:43:26 PM
happy belayed labor day to you too AJ. I guess not everyone is proud to be an american. Is it worth saving 2 cents here and there to see companies that have been in one american city for 100 plus years pack up their bags to be bought out by some overseas country. Not to mention the crap those countries make. 20 year old apliances sold at thift stores will still outlast ones made today because americans believed in making things to last. now its make cheap overseas and throw in the landfill a year from now. Maybe someday when someone like you gets laid off and cant pay bills you will understand what made in america really means. but until then enjoy your 10 cent raise you will get at menards 4 months from now for being the perfect role model. just think with that new fortune you can uh......... get your big mac meal supersized?
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>> posted by mayor on 9/9/2008 3:32:34 PM
Ramiro got a nice contract for selling his minority name. That is his business. The fact that he brought it up and bragged about it makes it my business and I consider him a sellout i.e. prostitute.

All of you marketing wads think alike. Everything has a mark-up and a price,period. The moral consequences of your actions elude you. How long do you think our economy will last based on sales of Chinese garbage? Do you ever think of the underpaid grunts that stock your shelves as real human beings? Or are they simply overhead? That stuff probably doesn't concern you as long as you get your bonus,right? Keep polishing those apples AJ and John will take care of you.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 9/10/2008 9:48:03 AM
To Withheld, posting comments on this ongoing article is like current election politics things sure seem to get distorted, depending on who reads into what. I do not have anything against Jewish people, if you or anyone else does, I guess that is your choice. I was simply attempting to answer Shawn Gach's concern about my not knowing anything else besides Menards. I enjoyed working for Harold Hartman it was a education in itself. I will repeat what I said, I learned from one of the best Jews in the business. FYI, for whatever reasons Jewish people got into the clothing business when they settled into the United States. Check it out, there surely must be a lot about the garment district should you wish to research it. Before I met Harold I was just a small town farm boy with little experience about the world of business. Harold called on me when I was a buyer and merchandise manager for Montgomery Ward. He brought out something in me which I did not know. He kept after me about how I was missing my calling and he needed good people for his growing repping company. I made a lot of money working for Harold. I learned a lot of how the business world operates to this day. And yes there is a lot of corruption but it comes with the territory. John Menard gets condemned for some of his rules, but trust me, from having experienced some of it, it makes sense and helps keep the corruption in check. A lot of it is not malicious corruption it is just part of doing business. A couple of examples of things I learned from Harold which perhaps seem stupid but they can sway people in position with buying authority. I drove to Milwaukee, rented a nice suite and set it up full of clothing samples. Spent a day just phoning potential buyers. I lured them to rented suite to view our goods. Harold instructed me to make sure it was setup so they would be at motel about lunch time. I picked up Harold at airport the invited people came over and we went to lunch at pretty plush restrauant. Harold asked what I learned after it all. I learned that he ordered first he ordered the most expensive thing on menu. Not one word was mentioned about clothing, instead everything about sports and current events. And a lot of personal discussion about family, if they wished to share it. I learned that Harold ordering the most expensive item first put everyone at ease about ordering anything they wanted. I learned to write notes about respective individuals when I came back to town weeks or months later or tlaked to these people on the phone it sure put them at ease if I asked something personal about what they had shared. I used this when I called on the many stores I did for John Menard. I kept a file on each store with names, info about people. There is no way I would have remembered the things about all the people I previously met. Here is something really weird but it sure got potential and existing buyers to do business with us. At Chrismas time Harold gave away alot of hams sounds stupid but it sure bought a lot of business. Again, from personal experience, the bottom line to it all, buyers can be bought and I have absolutely nothing against Jewish people. My second oldest daughter just recently got her Doctorate in Chemistry. Over the five years of graduate school at UNC while visiting we got to meet and do things with one of her best friends. She happens to be a Jewish gal from New Jersey. Say what you want or feel about minorities, my daughter is hispanic, one of her best friends is Jewish. Chemistry is a difficult course of study not just anyone can attain a Doctorate in Chemistry. My daughter and a lot of her friends are pursuing medical research, as far as I know there is no prerequisite about nationality when it comes to finding some cure for something we may contract.
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>> posted by mr observant on 9/10/2008 10:56:06 AM
I love how ramiro rambles on and on about absolute nonsense talking about everything except the subject hoping it will somehow make menards seems perfect. The prior posts were reguarding how menards can be seen as greedy putting christmas displays so early then aj feels its ok to see everyone in america blue collar labor jobs out of work so some other country can make things 2 cents less. Now ramiro talks about everything other then that trying to fill up space on here. What does the life story of harold hartman have to do with anything? He totally reminds me of john madden, especially the mad tv skits where he changes the subject in a second then rambles on about nothing. now im sure ill get a full page lecture from him about how he fired someone at menards for not changing a light bulb, or how a menards contractor was under invesigation for driving a company car a half mile further then what the actually distance was to the jobsite and back. He will do whatever it takes to dance around the subject.
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>> posted by former employee on 9/23/2008 9:27:42 PM
Ramiro sure does ramble about nonsense. Who the hell cares about any of what he is writing about. I've sat down and have had lunch and talked with him many times during my employment. I have to say that Ramiro was a company rat who was sent out to do John's spying. He loved it, and thought that he really was very important. Fact is, that Ramiro never really had any kind of a direct impact on business or any of the progress Menards has made over the years. Anyone can go around with a clip board, camera, and take notes on things they they feel don't look right and than distort the facts in a report to John. I never had any problems with you Ramiro, except for the fact that most people felt this way and I can only belive what I was told. Its time to move on. You seem to dwell on the past, and your accomplishments at Menards, well, can't really seem to see them so have a great life.
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>> posted by Eau Claire native on 9/23/2008 11:43:55 PM
I have several friends who are either currently working for Menards -Midwest Manufacturing or who left the company. All seven of them have stated that they (do) did not feel respected for the work that they do that they simply (are) were there to help pad JM's pocket. Yes, it's a job, and yes, JM makes his money off the backs of those who can ill afford to try to find another job in this economy. The four of my friends who left Menards employ are very happy and the other three who are still there are waiting until they feel they can leave.

I pray that Mr. Menard's recent health scare has driven some sense into him. I suspect that his reign of anarchy has gone on long enough that he can't stop the train that he feels he must obsessively control.

Life is too short to continue working for someone who cares nothing about your welfare. Mr. Menard is human, but his heart is hardened against those who give daily to his customers.

May God have mercy on your soul, John Menard.
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>> posted by Withheld on 9/29/2008 9:27:36 PM
Ramirez rambled on about Harold Hartman in order to cleanse himself of his earlier antisemitic remarks. We're supposed to believe that since he KNEW a Jewish person, he somehow has permission to say nasty things about them.

Yes Ramirez, I already know about how the American garment biz was pioneered by Jewish people. They also waited tables and hauled trash.

It's nice that your daughter knows a Jewish person. It is not, however good to know that someone such as yourself can ramble on, endlessly attempting to cover up your prejudices. At least try paragraphing your 'thoughts'.

Once again: You learned from the best nazis in the business. I know this because I am Jewish and worked at Menards, where I was reminded at least once a month that I was 'different'.
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>> posted by disapointed customer on 10/3/2008 10:04:22 AM
A couple days ago in the evening i was shopping at one of the milwaukee area stores located on brown deer road. As I was walking around with my cart full of items I heard this beeping noise over the intercom that sounded like a forklift backing up as well as strobe lights going off from the smoke detector sensors. The employees acted like it was nothing unusal so I asked one of the empoyees and she said its only a test. I was unsure why they would do a test during business hours however someone over the intercom did a page which i think also said it was a test however the intercom was hard to understand. After a few minutes the noise and lights stopped. Then 5 minutes later it started up again I and other customers were assured "its only a test". As i was in the check out area a fire truck pulled up by the exit door lighs and sirens and about 7 firemen in full uniform and equipment entered the store followed by a 2nd truck shortly after with more men in uniform entering. I was going to verify again with employees if "if was only a test" but aparently getting a staight answer was impossible since i knew they had already lied both to my face and intercom becasue firemen in uniform and truck would not arive immediately for a "test". I was talking to my neighbor about the situation and he agreed he would be uncomfortable too if he was in a business where there was a fire detection malfunctioned to the point where the fire department responds and empoyees only reply is "its a test please keep spending money". Im uncomfortable to think how they would act in a actual emergecy sitiation now. my neighbor also informed me of this article and encouraged me to post on here so other people will be aware. Thank you for your time to anyone who reads this.
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>> posted by laughing on 10/3/2008 1:52:01 PM
to disappointed customer, did you see what the firemen did after they came in? maybe they were only doing a test, possibly to see the time it took to get there in case of an emergency. its not like you need to know everything. if there was actually an emergency, im sure you wouldve been informed. if it was an emergency that didn't require customers to leave, im sure they wouldn't have wanted to start a panic, which happens easily. get all the facts, and get back to me.
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>> posted by disapointed customer on 10/4/2008 11:48:45 PM
Sir, If I'm in a building and theres the posibility an emergency that could risk the life or health of anyone in the building it is my business as well as every other human there. I dont care if im the owner of the building, employee, or a customer name Joe. Sure panic may be an effect but thats what a emergency is? Could you imagine what would happen if at a school the fire alarm went off and one of the teachers just continued on their lecture thoughout the whole situation. You know that teacher would be fired. My point is when the fire deparment showed up in full uniform and equipment that was proof employees just made up the test excuse when honestly it was a malfunction or actual event and they lied to people. It is very hard to trust people who lie. If you want to hang out in a building after a fire alarm goes off thats up to you, but im sure everyone else will be waiting outside for you.
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>> posted by this is only a test on 10/15/2008 6:08:04 AM
Dear disappointed customer,

October is fire prevention month and the time of the year most businesses including Menards have their fire systems, water flow systems and alarm systems tested. However, it sounds like the store you were visiting failed to notify the alarm monitoring station of the testing, who in turn notified the fire department.

Take a breath and realize that there was no fire, there was no emergency, no conspiracy or cover up. A simple test which was done both for the compliance of government standards and for safety of those such as yourself who are patrons of a company.

There is no need to scold the management of the store either for failing to notify the monitoring company. I have a feeling those well prepared fireman said all that needed to be said upon their arrival.

So enjoy your shopping experience with the comfort of knowing that this was indeed a test inteded to protect you and keep you saving big money.
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>> posted by still disapointed on 10/17/2008 1:16:04 AM
Unless you were at the store at the time or contacted them directly yourself how can you speek saying it was only a test, when someone before said it probably was a minor situation. My original concern that has been totally ignored is why would a business do a fire alarm "test" durring peak business hours or any business hours for that matter? And as far as your menards plug for keep saving big money I usually spend my money on businesses that support and give back to the towns the stores are located in, and dont like to encourage corporate greed. It doesnt take a mastermind to figure out why companies closing, poor american economy, and job loss when people really feel its worth paying 2 cents less for a item made in china thats honestly a piece of junk. so perhaps instead of trying to protect your penny pinching skills you could encourage people to save american jobs as it would help us so much more.
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>> posted by Masterforce on 10/20/2008 10:23:11 PM
I am a current employee, if you want the truth read on.
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I am a GM, General Manager at a store in the MidWest. Complaints about Menards and John Menard are unfounded. John does not run the day to day operations at a store location nor does he interact with each store employee. John defines the corporate culture, what owner operator isn't insanely passionate about their business?
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What makes a great store and work environment is the GM. The GM deciphers and prioritizes the objectives from John , corporate and balances those requirements with the needs of the customers and staff.
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The number 1 objective from corporate is customer service, no exceptions.
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This is achieved by hiring the best possible staff and paying them the highest wages in the industry.
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I missed the chapter in the above article about the thousands of opportunities Menards has provided to its employees, count how many current employees they interviewed. Zero
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I have 130 very happy employees, I talk to thousands of satisfied guests every week.
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Anytime a company or person displays success, the detractors will find faults.
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If my employment ended tomorrow, then Menards has given me a skill set than no University can ever teach.
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Working for Menards has been a privilege.
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>> posted by Shawn Gach on 10/21/2008 3:45:18 AM
Has anybody kicked Ramiro Duenes in the tiny balls he has yet?
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>> posted by Masterforce on 10/21/2008 8:25:47 AM
Disappointed customer,
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The fire alarm was either a test or a malfunction. There are also 30 pull stations well within reach of unattended children. If the fire alarm goes off for any reason, the fire department is REQUIRED to show up and evalaute the situation.
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There is no cover-up, the store GMs are well trained to deal with a real emergency if one were to occur.
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The bottom line is this happens at every major retailer since they are required to adhere to hundreds of safety measures. There will always be tests, mal-functions and unattended children.
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Sorry for the scare.
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>> posted by 16 years and nothing on 10/22/2008 3:10:39 PM
My husband worked for this company for 16 years and during the 16 years we were shafted by this man and his company repeatedly. I think he owes everyone that has ever worked for him his lifes savings. Not only my husband worked for him but 2 of my boys and I as well. The three of us was smart enough to get out sooner. But now that my husband was fired over stupid things which they were just trying to find to get him out. They also denied his unemployment. So that leaves us with absolutely nothing. Our only income is mine and try to make ends meet with that is unbearable. Every negative thing that has been said in these statements are true. We I worked in the General Office with the buyers I was told make sure you are doing something at all times because if Jon comes down and sees you doing nothing he will fire you on the spot. Gee thats easy to live with under that kind of presure. Not knowing if you have a job one day to the next. They would make my husband do things that he did not know how to or was not experienced in. So working with electricity and not knowing what you are doing, I would sit at home wondering if he would make it home. And the health insurance rates how outragous we dropped his at 95.00 a week and picked up mine with dental for 30.00 a week with a smaller company than menard's. Goes to show how much of a cheap person he is,
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>> posted by Dimensions on 10/22/2008 11:40:54 PM
16 years and nothing,
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If the conditions were so terrible how come the entire family worked there, where there no other jobs in Eau Claire Wisconsin?
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Menards terminates employees for good reasons like: laziness, doing nothing, wasting company resources and having no common sense. Do any of these apply?
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Yes every negative probably does apply when you are unemployed and held accountable by your employer.
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Lets be realistic about your husbands abilities, maybe he should try a less challenging line of work.
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Menards pays half of the premium for full-time employees, I have not found a better rate or coverage yet. You are straight lying at 30.00 a week for full coverage.
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Stop posting and find a real job.
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>> posted by Pete Bradley on 10/23/2008 7:19:24 PM
***** off Dimensions
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>> posted by Dimensions on 10/23/2008 8:34:32 PM
I am a intern in eau claire and my job involves spending 6 hours a day under john menards desk while he is on the phone
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>> posted by Masterforce on 10/23/2008 10:36:39 PM
If Dimensions is John's intern, then he is working for free.
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>> posted by mayor on 10/23/2008 10:49:29 PM
Ah,two new apple polishers defending their positions within the organization. You overpaid management morons don't seem to get it do you. Listen to you dementians, questioning another human beings'intelligence. Are you too dumb to see how that makes you look or do you really think you are all that. I'll bet you have a warm,wet,pretty mouth, you pitiful little trollop.
Oh by the way this story exposed the culture of greed and elitism at Menards so posts by 16 years belong here, YOU are the one who can take a flying frock in a rolling donut.
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>> posted by Dimensions on 10/24/2008 1:26:54 PM
Mayor-
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Where did you find your vocabulary....MTV. You make little sense on a keyboard, I could imagine how frustrating you must be to speak to in person. Its no wonder you find it mandatory to retaliate against any organized company, any successful person around you must make you nauseous.
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I figure you are home right now trying to justify you gigantic personality by planning to sabotage your current employer. Don't think too hard.
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>> posted by Think outside the Box on 10/29/2008 9:36:54 PM
I have worked at menards for five years. Sure, it has its policies that I do not particularly agree with, but, what large company doesnt?!?!? You cannot please everyone, and to all the people that complain about their job or their work do us a favor and quit. We try not to have the team members who will be a disease to everyone else working there, cause, believe it or not, some people love working at Menards.

As far as the discrimination talks on the page. Someone stated earlier there was 2 minorities in 20 some years at the GO that were minorities. First off, I can personally name 4 general office team members that are something other than white and I hardly know anybody there!! And, secondly, in case you were not aware, the GO is in Eau Claire, WI. You ever check the demographic of Eau Claire before? Huge Majority... White.. Did you ever work in a store in Chicago? The stores I have worked at in inner city locations were at least 50 percent non-white.

3rd Gripe people complain about Menards wages.. where can Joe Blow off the street go, with 0 work experience and get over 9 dollars an hour starting out? Pretty sure I saw McDonalds was hiring Full Time at 7.25 per hour, and name one place in a customer service line of work where you will find better wages. Not to mention profit sharing, which could add up to thousands of dollars a year. And what better for a high school or college student who work mainly just weekends to get that extra 2.50 weekend pay? Where can someone go and work just weekends and make 10.00 an hour working 15 hours a week, and not physically wear themselves down stacking blocks or doing crap jobs that nobody else wants?

4th Gripe This doesnt go for just Menards, but for all retail. Customers come into stores and want everything for free. Then they piss and moan about either not getting help or not getting decent help. FYI.. the price you pay for materials goes towards hiring quantity and quality of workers. Menards' stance on staffing, again, both quality and quantity, is exceptional in comparison. Menards ranked 2nd Nationally (even though we are in 12 states) in satisfied customer service, somewhere close to the 90 percent range. 2nd only to Ace Hardware, who has small stores, and little selection. Home Depot was 2nd to the last, only chain worse was Kmart!!

5th Everyone in the Nation should be required to work retail for at least 6 months. People would be way more understanding and postings about people who are afraid for their lives because we test fire alarms just wouldnt happen.

Lastly If you have not experienced Menards culture by working there, do not pass judgment on their practices. Every single example on here has a second side to the story, it just so happens you hear the side that slams Menards and their policies. And for 98 percent of the people that got canned or demoted for "lame" reasons.. ever think that maybe they were looking for a reason to demote because you were bad at your job, and that "lame" reason was the way to demote you? Its crappy, but its life. If you were good at your job, these "lame" reasons could easily be overlooked.

Thanks for reading...


Those are my gripes about all the negativity on Menards.
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>> posted by the big men on 10/30/2008 11:27:52 AM
Mr. Think outside the box,

Thank you for writing the resposne we requested you to write. Hopefully business will pick up as a result of it. Only regret is we should not have mentioned ace hardware being number one, as majority of our customers prefer not to walk a marathon just to get a can of paint, as well as they their employees have a caring friendly personality who gives honest correct advice instead of reading the boxes. They do not want to hear about 100 add on sales which just turn into stuff that collect dust in the customers basement unused. Those john madden stores are family owned tend to be extremly involved with the comunity and remember customers. one time I went back to one a week after bought some items and as soon as I walked in the employee said "how did the weed killer I recomend work out for you sir" Its perfectly clear the number of independant hardware stores that have been around for decades is going down greatly because of out stores and very motivated about it. I will make sure your 10 cent raise goes though properly 5 months from now. Thank you again
John and Larry
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>> posted by FuzzySideUp on 10/30/2008 4:29:29 PM
You get what you invest in. I am not a college graduate. I am, however, a manager at menards. I can tell you for sure that for the type of work we do, we are paid extremely well. Don't get me wrong, you DO have to put up with lots of bull ***** but to be very honest, most of the things that i've dealt with have been things that general managers want to improve on to make the store better. Recently, I visited a Lowes location close to my home, and what I found was STAGGERING. Entire aisles of merchandise misplaced, stacks of ceramic tile lying around with broken pieces everywhere and no signage, just, a total flipping mess. As a department manager walking thru, I have to admit that I kind of thought to myself "what would it take to clean up a department like this if it was my own?" The honest truth is that I figured if they closed that store down for a week, it would literally take me 8-12 hours per aisle just to get it up to the standards that (most) menards stores have. I'm not BS'ing here either, most of these aisles i'm talking about you'd literally have to take all the product off of the shelves and restock it all, that's how bad. I do ramble a bit, but the point should be semi clear by now: "bull ***** and stress are things that you deal with at menards, but if you're a good department manager, you keep your department in order, and you deal with less of that stress than others do. In 9 years i've never dealt with some of the "unfair" things that some of you have talked about, guess it just depends on your work ethic. In terms of whether menards is on the same caliber of home depot or lowes = I wouldn't be able to justify working at any of the 3 if I had a college education, but menards would still have to be my choice. While just recently we learn that 36 different retailers are closing hundreds of stores around the country, menards has increased their store amount every year and there are more stores slated for opening in 2009. I'm not a menards fanboy, but when you're faced with that REALITY (yes, reality), it makes you think about who is agressive and who is not.
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>> posted by FuzzySideUp on 10/30/2008 4:35:11 PM
I feel that there's no doubt that John Menard has had his problems with the law, and because menards is a private company they have the ability to do almost anything they want. Thinking back to when i was hired, you have to sign an agreement that says basically: "we can fire you for any reason or for no reason at all" ... kind of crap, yes, but the way I try to help others is to explain to them that you don't put yourself in a situation to get screwed over. Okay, you might get 12k worth of bonuses between your MGR bonus and your profit sharing every year, but how much are you going to change your lifestyle? Are you gonna buy that caddy? I know so many people who go completely out of their means based on menards pay. It's not bad pay, but it's not a high hourly wage, the real power in it lies in the bonuses we get. Then these people screw up somehow and get demoted or something, then they're screwed. Live within your means, empower your wife or significant other to get a good job also and you can support each other. Make NO mistake, you're going to deal with bull ***** anywhere you go.
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>> posted by Formerlybledblue on 11/5/2008 5:44:53 PM
Fuzzy,
I hate to tell you this but the bonus itself was 12,000 plus. The current crop of Store Managers and Department Managers are being drastically underpaid for the work you do. The bonus percentages have been cut year after year. Profit is going up but payout to managers is going down. John has realized he can get people to do the work but pay them less. Menards has always wanted to own a big chunk of your life but was willing to compensate for that sacrifice. For what Menards asks of you the money is no longer worth it.

Current store managers are making 25,000 to 50,000 less than I made during my 7 years in store management. It is all in bonus money which then affects your profit sharing. I will say we worked harder as there was only one assistant manager, no true HR person and not as good computer system to help out. When the manager or assistant was on vacation the other one had to be there all hours the store was open.

As to the discrimination Menards has been accused of. According to the law firm handling the case, Menards has been trying to do its own Affirmative action program to cover up past abuses. I was there for 20 years and know the truth. Why would Menards not file the EEOC 1 report as required by law. They have enough lawyers to know the rules and regulations but they think because they are a big fish in the little pond (of the midwest) that they can get away with anything. They are now expanding onto a national stage and that gets attention by Government, Unions, Worker rights groups and consumer groups. The bigger you get the bigger the target on your back becomes and because of past transgressions they have a lot to be worried about.
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>> posted by 14 years emp on 11/8/2008 1:18:11 AM
Bad, very bad..
this is not Success. Greed, Midwest.
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>> posted by Masterforce on 11/9/2008 6:55:44 AM
If there were discrimination problems, they must have been more than 8 years ago. I have been with the company since 2000 and have worked at 5 different stores. I have seen all races succeed and promote up.
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Home Depot recently fired every one of their HR coordinators this year and moved to district HR oversight. Depot also is very proud of their automated, electronic interview kiosk. This must explain the quality of their workforce.
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Menards still interviews every applicant in person.
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I haven't heard too many store managers complain about making 125,000 lately, the amount you make is tied to your yearly store goals. If the manager neogiates a poor goal then they are bound to make less unless they can improve their sales and service.
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Formely Bled Blue - Where did you find a job after Menards? Honest question.
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Masterforce
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>> posted by Formerly Bled Blue on 11/10/2008 12:25:28 PM
Masterforce,
I started my own business. I do financial planning and insurance sales in Minneapolis. It is great to be working for myself and not to have to live with the GO. Larry was(is) very difficult to put up with. I was a store manager when he went through his divorce and you wouldn't know what he was going to be like from one day to the next. I am glad to be out of there.
The business I got into has slowed down a bit, but the residuals keep me going and I am at the point (7 years into it) where I would not need to find any new business to survive. People at Menards should realize that if you can succeed at Menards you can be successful at anything you do. Johns bootcamp is a good training ground. Now may not be the best time to leave but when the economy picks up, the skills you have learned at Menards will serve you well.

The EEOC filed suit against Menards to force the disclosure of the race of GO employees. Menards had not filed an EEOC 1 report ever(required report listing the race and gender of employees). This is required for all employers that have over 150 employees. Why did they not do this and why fight so hard when the EEOC wanted it? They fought it for five years(perhaps time to work on the problem since the EEOC only went after five years of records) and ignored the orders of the federal judge. The federal judge was ready to hold them in contempt until they brought in the records. They brought records to the court at the deadline. In my 20 years with Menards I saw one Minority GO employee. At the Store Manager meetings I saw two assistant store managers who were black. This has changed now as Menards is trying to avert the attempted class action lawsuit in Illinois and the EEOC investigation. The lawsuit will punish Menards for past actions and force them to remedy past wrongs. I am near two Menard stores and one of them has one African American employee and the other has a few more but not many. Are there still problems? You tell me!
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>> posted by md bleed blue 166 on 11/11/2008 6:45:00 AM
Formerly Bled Blue,

I regard your remarks as well-intended. I'm glad you are doing well outside of Menards and you're right, if you can do this gig, you can do anything. But the fact remains that some of us actually enjoy running these stores. We enjoy interacting with thousands of people per day who are building their houses into homes. As for myself, I also enjoy the interaction I have with my 140+ team members. They know I care about them as people and they care about me. Together, we make my store a very unique environment.

I've been with the company for 17 years now. I do have a college education. I, too, remember the six figure bonuses. Truth is though, that this job was much more complicated in the past. We do, as you say, have multiple assistants now. We do have a Human Resource Coordinator. Many departments have 3 managers or more. Etc.. We had to put up with more. Quite frankly, this type of bonus made the job too plush and actually caused many GM's to be out of touch with work and reality. I still earn 130K+. Not bad, in my eyes.

So, please, Formerly Bled Blue, just because you wanted out doesn't mean the rest of us need to leave. I respect you for doing something on your own. I actually know of you and I know you are much happier where you are. I am happy managing people. Happy making my mark in this community both in and out of the store where I am known as "the Menards Guy". Happy with Menards.
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>> posted by Formerly bled blue on 11/11/2008 8:27:31 PM
Hi md bleed blue,
I'm glad you are happy at Menards. I was too or I would not of spent 20 years of my life there. A lot of people at Menards are not happy and when the economy picks up they need to realize there is life outside of Menards. I responded to comments about this article when people started saying the article was full of falsehoods. My contention is the article is pretty much right on track.

I don't know if the pay was to plush or not because there was pretty much nothing else. The benefits were pretty much nonexistant. Job security was not there, abuse of Managers by upper level GO people was rampant. The people promoted into Asst Op Managers was ridiculous- Fred M, Mike P. The good people were driven away- Glenn B, Krag B. We worked our asses off for our money but that was all there was. There was no other incentive other than the carrot at the end of the stick. I hope things keep getting better especially now that Dennis is Operations Manager. All that said, Menards is going to pay a price for past hubris. The feds are coming after them and it will get worse(or better) with the Dems controlling the executive branch and the Congress. If the card check union organizing law gets passed and with a pro union administration, this could cause problems especially in pro union states like Ohio. The attempt to get class action status for the discrimination lawsuit in Illinois is moving foreward and the courts will take a liberal turn under the Dems. Remember an affirmative action ruling is to correct past wrongs and does not necessarily cover current actions. Menards should be worried because of past actions.
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>> posted by MD Bleed Blue 166 on 11/12/2008 7:18:33 AM
FBB,
I agree about some of the people you list out. There has been a real culture change at Menards in the past 5 years or so. The largest, most visible changes happened with regards to attitude and communication between the G.O. and the stores. Unfortunately, I think it was an exodus of good GM's like yourself and G.O. personnel that brought this to the attention of the higher ups which, in turn, brought this shift about. There has been a change in style of management. Yet, there has been no change to the "old school" mentality of guest service and low price which has made us successful.

Truth is, as I eluded to earlier, I still work my butt off. I don't let Menards dominate my family life, but it's always in the back of my mind, day and night. But, the job is now more enjoyable.

I don't want to speak to Menards' legal issues. Truthfully, neither of us really know the severity or the complexity of any of those issues. I'm sure no matter the outcome, Menards will continue to thrive.

There are some very basic and fundamental reasons that John has succeeded. The new administration, rather than trying to bring him down, would be well advised to find his secrets to success. The basic principles of work and business which Menards relies on are gone in today's economy. Yet, we wonder why we struggle. True "Johnenomics" would do this country some good.

Remember the slogan, "at Menards we fight poverty.....we work". Almost seems ancient in today's world, replaced with "share the.....".
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>> posted by Jonboy on 11/15/2008 1:42:18 AM
Yeah, I work there. I need a place to make at least gas money until I can GET THE H_ _ _ OUT!!! The place sucks. Part time, I'm not making enough money, and I can't work full time and go to school, so, what good is it? I'm a new employee, and I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing because nobody helps me and it's so understaff that when I try to find someone to help me assist a customer, there's nobody to be found half the time and I feel awful for not being able to help a customer. I'm going to do my best while I have to be there, but man oh man, what a joke! I'm afraid to get fired for not doing my job right, but nobody, including the damn managers, is showing me what to do, or how. Oh well, after reading this, I won't be working there much longer, or shopping there ever again.
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>> posted by Tribella on 11/15/2008 11:40:29 AM
I worked for Menards for 12 years most of what I have read is true. What hurt me the most is I did payroll for them for years and at one point opened a new store while our old store was closing. I put in 90 hours a week working at both stores. I didn't mind this because I was making tons of money. The problem was a month or so after "breaking my neck for this store". I was told I was no longer going to be doing payroll because now you needed a four year degree. (it now becomes a HR posistion. I stayed for a year afterwards training the 5 "college degree" team members who never lasted because it never was an HR posistion. I wasn't good enough anymore to do the job but I was good enough to train all the "new Hr's". I finally got tired and left. I have never been happier. Btw I have heard Larry swear at team members in front of guest.
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>> posted by Masterforce on 11/18/2008 7:44:48 AM
I understand the EEOC filing is a topic of importance, I do not talk with the attorneys about it nor know the current status.
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I can only tell you what I see at the store level daily. For every 100 caucasion employees that interview we might see 2 minorities. For every 100 applicants we talk to we might interview 2 and hire 1. The store location is in a moderately diverse area.
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The store I am at has a good mix of employees currently, but it varies all the time. I have never seen or been given a directive from GO on how to hire. I have been happy with the fact that they left it up to us so far.
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Again, this is at my store. I will not speak for others as each unit will vary with the location, demographics and GM.
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I do remember the changes to payroll-HR a few years ago. The payroll personnel who had the position were great people, but most lacked the skill set to deal with 145 team members. Remember one thing about that situation, Menards never let go any of those payroll people. Most companies would have terminated every one of them and justified it.
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Is the company I work for perfect? Absolutely not. Find me a company that has policies that everyone agrees with.
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>> posted by BluBob on 11/18/2008 8:40:28 PM
Masterforce,
What about the previous UNION membership hiring restriction? It is a violation of the National Labor Relations Act. Anytime you refuse to hire someone who used to work at a Union business you(personally) are in violation of Federal Law. Union membership is a protected class under federal law. How does it feel to be a discriminator and violator of a major federal law.
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>> posted by MD BleedBlue 166 on 11/19/2008 8:16:26 AM
BleBob,
How does it feel to be such in the minority in your union, you need to be a "protected class"?
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>> posted by BluBob on 11/19/2008 10:30:55 AM
MD BleedBlue,
I am not a union member because I work at Menards and I have never belonged to one. The fact remains that previous membership in a Union is protected under federal law. Do you deny Menards forbids the hiring of anyone who previously worked at a union job? Ergo...violation of federal law.

Left wing pro union administration coming into office. A Labor Department that will actually work for Labor. If the Dems get their 60 seats in the Senate we will see them overturning the law that allows for forced arbitration clauses in contracts even for violations of federal and state civil rights laws. They have attempted this a few times already, but the Republicans managed to stop it in the Senate. This will cause problems for Menards because the lawsuits against them have been forced into arbitration which is extremely expensive for the employee and tilted to the corporations.
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>> posted by Masterforce on 11/22/2008 12:34:09 PM
I have never been given a directive on who to hire. We hire qualified candidates. How would we know for sure if a candidate has EVER worked for a union?
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As far as pro-union administration coming to office, you bet they will meet resistance. We don't have to look too far to find fine examples of a union at it's best, GM, FORD, Chrysler. All three are threatening taxpayers that they will file bankruptcy unless we all bail them out. I feel terrible for the line workers making 77.00 per hour with benefits.
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Remember that all unions are profitable companies. They paid the most into Obamas campaign to have him elected. Without Obama the union execs would have to take a multi million dollar pay cut themselves.
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Be sure to understand the motives behind a union today. If they do not increase their membership by more than they lose in a given year then they will eventually go away. They do not give a damn about helping workers, if they did they would be a not for profit company.
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>> posted by BluBob on 11/22/2008 1:11:57 PM
Masterforce,
The only thing I have to say to your comment about NOT having any "unwritten directives" on who to hire is keep up the story and someday you may even believe it youself. Read the article above from the view point of store managers and asst store managers. Or perhaps you are from the Dakota's, Nebraska or Iowa where Unions are not a concern because they have never taken root there. As a department manager I never new this until I left my little Iowa town because I don't think there was a Union in town.


How do you determine? Know what businesses in your area that are Union. Call the GO an ask them about the company, call them and tell thme you want to apply and do you have to join a Union to work there.


As for the Pro Union administration, The Dems have already tried to pass "card check" and Pres-elect Obama has already said he would sign it. If Coleman loses his MN Senate race then the Dems will get anything they want passed because they will have 60 votes that will override any attempt at a filabuster by the Republicans.
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>> posted by Masterforce on 11/23/2008 7:01:06 PM
BluBob
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Do you currently work for Menards?

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>> posted by BluBob on 11/23/2008 10:03:06 PM
Yup.
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>> posted by VB on 12/3/2008 12:53:37 PM
Menards is a horrible company 2 work for I have been there for 2 years I recieved a Customer Complaint I wasn't even asked my side of the story I was told I am being terminated I later found out it was because of payroll issues and the Instant Profit Sharing Check.

Very Poor Company to work for,
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>> posted by ex building materials slave on 12/7/2008 11:07:52 AM
Here is a warning to anyone to may see signs inside Menards saying "be your boss" referring to you being the owner to a Menards exclusive delivery company. If you feel the temptation to invest here are some points to consider.

1. Menards is open 19 7, 363 days a year and you or one of your employees are expected at the customers house rain, shine, snow, or ice at the time indicated.

2. Menards determines the amount of money you receive from each delivery regardless of actual labor time. You need to submit a bill to Menards for what delivery charges you did and they will eventually reimburse you for past jobs if they aprove the charges or deduct fees if they feel the need.

3. You buy, and maintain the trucks to be used including fuel and insurance but yet you get huge Menards decals placed on all sides.

4. Any damage to equipment, products, or customers lawn or driveway is on you

5. There will be a gps system installed in each of your trucks which Menards can spy on your location at all hours to insure your being 100 percent productive even though you "are the boss"

6. You are prohibited from using your trucks for any business other then between menards customers locations and the store. Any attempt at side work for a menards customer you deliver too or helping a friend move with your truck and your fired.

Im not sure how this adds up to "being your own boss" but just a fair waring from a menards building materials employee not to be mislead by the signs.

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>> posted by former employee on 12/16/2008 3:22:29 PM
Ramiro,
Since you talk about tour family and your close relationship with Mr. Menard maybe you could explain to the people on this forum how you were confronted by Charlie Menard for stealing a hotel room when you were not even employed by Menards. Charging the hotel room to the company and then taking pictures of negative items at one of the local stores. That would help me gain insight to how you can be just in the comments you have posted.
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>> posted by another former employee on 12/17/2008 1:03:04 AM
As a follow up to prior comments id like to add my experience after just finding this page and suprised its so active a year and half since released. I worked for menards for a couple years and saw alot of downsides but ignored most if it. Here is the staw that broke the camels back. I heard rumors menards managers go to lowes and home depot to buy their products when on sale for low prices and then menards buys their stock to resell. I never delt with it personaly until one day the manager was like you own the large dark blue ford pick up, right and i replies yes. He says i need you to make a few trips to home depot (10 miles one way) and buy several specific large expensive items. I was shocked and asked with my truck and hes like yea if your ok with it, we got some old ties straps in the recieving area. He then asks me if how much limit was on my credit card and i asked why would that matter. He says you need to pay for them on your card and we will credit the money back to your card by the end of the day. He also said by the way we need you to punch out to do this and record your time seperatly so menards would not accept liability if you were in an acident. I asked how much do i get paid to do this for the company and hes like your regular pay and we are unable to reinburse you for gas. So i asked what if the bed of my truck get scratched while this pallet is being loaded as i help john menard become even richer. His reply how would we know your truck was not scratched prior. I told him the company has too many flaws and sick of eveyone there working at a place where they do anything to save a penny just to make one man even richer when he doesnt care about anyone other then himself. I then took my plastic name tag thing and snaped it half and returned it to him. I have never been so proud of myself in my life.

One other point i need to make specificly i can verify what was stated about the menards deliver contractors, and want to make it clear to any contactors out there who may be asked by menards to do work within their stores. They bring new meaning to the phase lowballer as not only do they try to bring your labor time down to nothing by comparing your bid to fake ones they make up but they also try to pay you for your work in menards gift cards. The only goal to menards is to make john menards wallet as heavy as possible with money no one will ever see again. Please people spend your money in places where people have a heart. Even major stores such as target, wal mart, and home depot donate and give to the towns their located in. You will never see a man with a red kettle and bell outside menards for the salvation army, you will never see girl scouts selling cookies outside menards, you will never see menards donate lumber to boyscouts to build birdhouses.
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>> posted by mayor on 12/17/2008 7:54:16 PM
The suspense is killing me. Which gallant blue bleeding
Johnnyfan is going to defend the empire from this latest onslaught.Doesn't it just make your blood boil to see Him disgraced.
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>> posted by haveuhadit on 12/18/2008 8:00:38 PM
As a reply to masterforce:
Although I do agree that operating within a non-union organization helps the independent worker an oppournity to acquire a job within a small business. With that being said I agree unions over time have taken advantage of some larger corporations by paying higher benefit that to us working lad would seem sweet. But most of these corporations built their businesses off the backs of underpaid unrepresented and unprotected people. The fact of the matter is that being employed at Menards means that you can be terminated by a person you never met for a reason that you cannot defend. Who is the "laision" that works for Menards that buffers these types of situations to protect those that have put in the time, effort, and sacrifice only to be told that they received information from corporate that they no longer have a job. Without some sort of representation to the lower-upper managent personal and for that matter anyone who is employeed there that isnt that part of the reason that unions were created. If Menard were smart instead of lucky he would have developed a team of independent arbitraitors to buffer these situations instead of hiring a book full of 15 dollar an hour "attorneys". But I dont run a billion doolar company.
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>> posted by AJ on 12/20/2008 10:58:50 AM
Can we get some people in here that can actually type so people can understand what you are trying to say?! Come on people. You type like 10 year olds. And what the hell are you talking about Mayor?
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>> posted by Masterforce on 12/20/2008 3:48:28 PM
Been away awhile, here are my comments to all the faithful bashers.
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The day I get canned by Menards, I'm sure I will rush right over to my laptop to bash the company that gave me a career.
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Haveuhadit- Sounds like you f'd up and got canned. Read policy before you steal.
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Mayor- Few employed team members will defend this blog since they don't actually have any complaints.
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Another former employee- You can say no without quitinng your job, how proud are you now being unemployed?
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Former employee- Ramiro is an idiot, stop giving him any attention.
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Ex-building material slave- Like Ramiro your an idiot, any delivery service is given all this info up front in a contract, they are even encouraged to work with another service first to see if they even like it.
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VB- You seem to only tell half the story, it is called due process. You have to screw up several times at something before they terminate. Apparantly your guest service must really suck. Try working at Wal-mart they could care less about helping people.
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Happy Holidays
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Masterforce
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>> posted by bob vila on 12/20/2008 11:01:16 PM
What is masterforce?? I heard of milwaukee power tools, dewalt, mikita, porter cable, bosch. skill, and of couse my trusty craftsman. But what are masterforce tools? they must be some generic china special that works great until you get to the jobsite then falls apart. Remember you get what you pay for, and I would hesitate to buy some generic store brand.
thank you for your many years of support to all my viewers,
Bob
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>> posted by vb on 12/21/2008 10:59:51 AM
Dear Masterforce,

I was never reprimanded for Poor Guest Service in my two years working there or written up. I was told you did make eye contact to the customer and did not say good-bye when I told Unemployment they laughed and said Menards cannot afford to pay you and they gave me 290.00 a week. So there
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>> posted by Haveuhadit on 12/21/2008 7:35:10 PM
Dear Masterforce,
How can you possibly assume that I am a theif. Is that the only policy that you could come up with that allows immediate terminiation by the GM. To me that is a no brainer to anyone in business. You seem to have the same twisted interperation of the policyes that are in place. I wil bet that you have fired a good person for reasons that you don't believe just because of a nasty letter from Ray
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>> posted by moronsrus on 12/21/2008 8:46:30 PM
Masterforce......You sound like a real idiot. Menards actually is "the" worst place I have ever worked. They use and abuse their employees. You have no life, when you are a manager. Being an employee, they work you like a dog, and keep you working until they feel like letting you leave, no matter what time you are scheduled to. They actually think they own you. You are at their mercy! They fine the morons ruuning the departments, and the store managers for every little stinking thing. Management does not have an ounce of integrity. But then, what intelligent individual would put up with all the crap they shove down your throat. Employees are written up for each and every little thing. They should hire pre-school children, because that is exactly how you are treated. You get a ten cent raise every six months, and they love to dangle that profit sharing check over your head through-out the year, as if they were giving you six figures!
I could go on forever about this deceitful company, but it makes me sick.
Although, I do enjoy reading your rudimentary remarks. You must be a manager, because your grammar reflects the qualifications needed to be a manager at Menards. You are a pathetic individual. If monkies could talk, Menards would make them Managers. I would suggest that you get a life, but you can't......you work at Menards! By the way, when you run out of lubricant, YOU will run to your laptop.
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>> posted by Masterforce on 12/21/2008 9:22:48 PM
You guys are fun to mess with, very sensitive.
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Again Happy Holidays
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Masterforce
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>> posted by moronsrus on 12/24/2008 12:50:33 PM
"Masterforce,you really are an idiot!"
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>> posted by John Menard on 12/24/2008 7:49:55 PM
As this year comes to a close i would like to personally thank every customer who spent money within my stores. Thanks to everyone of you my wallet is busting at the seams which truly is a great feeling with the current economy. Its my sincere pleasure to announce the 10 cent twice a year raise will remain in effect this upcoming year for each and everyone of my employees. If it wasn't for their hard work and giving up countless hours with their friends, family and hobbys i may acutally have to do physical labor. Also in 2009 you will get your "classic" dollar store gifts every holiday such as deck of cards with menards logo printed on the back for haloween, or green shirt with huge menards logo for easter. I feel i truly spoil every one of my employees and they are lucky to be under my wings. Also i would like to thank yao mang of sig ni and and la wong both from china who are my exclusive wheeler and dealers working hard to find products at low prices on products that will last uh.... until next week. I hope in 2009 to excede 10 billion dollars in personal net savings.
thank you to everyone
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>> posted by vb on 12/24/2008 9:27:26 PM
To the person who wrote the blog on December 21, 2008 I could not have said it better myself! They act like the Profit Sharing check is gold!
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>> posted by AJ on 12/27/2008 4:57:05 PM
If you guys don't want your profit sharing check, more for the rest of us who actually appreciate it. You are greedy little *****
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>> posted by Kim on 12/28/2008 8:00:50 AM
John Menard's 15 million dollar donation to Eau Claire's Luther Hospital is being billed as one of the top 10 stories of 2008 by John's hometown newspaper, the Eau Claire Leader-Telegram. Today's Leader-Telegram features a rare picture of a smiling John Menard, who is described as "ecstatic" and "humbled" by the donation. Hate to be cynical, but this 15 million dollar donation is the best advertising John ever purchased. He is now immune to any criticism in Eau Claire.
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>> posted by ex team member on 12/29/2008 3:35:47 PM
Maybe after all the time of this article, john menard's lawyer reached a plea bargain with the publisher of this article that if he finally lets some of the moths out of his wallet they will pull this article from the internet?I understand 15 million is a drop in the bucket compared to his 8 billion and probably hard to part with every penny but proud of john for taking the big step. Im sure most of the money will be tax deductable too so he wont part with his money for long.

By the way AJ it sounds like you think of john menard as bill clinton and your excited to be his intern if you know what i mean.
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>> posted by mayor on 12/29/2008 7:24:14 PM
AJ does the feeling of power intoxicate you? Do you like your mother? Did you get beat up at school a lot? Have you ever acted out against small furry animals? Would you consider your relationship with your parents normal? Were there any improper touching incidents in your youth involving friends or family members? And if you don't consider them improper that's OK too. Did you ever fantasize about having another set of parents? Do you and your partner quarrel frequently? Do you like your mother? Did you feel picked on in grade school? Did you feel uncomfortable around your gym teacher? Do you like people to praise you? Have you ever thought about hurting yourself or any member of your family? Do you like looking at yourself in the mirror? Do you have difficulty maintaining relationships with members of the opposite sex? With members of the same sex? Do you talk to your mother often?

If John personally asked you to do something that you knew or felt to be immoral,improper or illegal, for the sake of the company,would you do it anyway for the right amount of compensation? How about Larry asking on Johns' behalf?

I hope that by carefully examining your answers to these difficult questions you can learn to understand yourself better.

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>> posted by KDLB on 1/11/2009 1:08:05 PM
I heard threw the vine that Masterforce was fired on Friday it had something to do with him being on the internet. I heard it was the Crestwood, IL Store I heard it went down!
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>> posted by sears craftsman on 1/12/2009 8:06:15 PM
Much like the power tools, it looks like yet another masterforce failed at the job required. However this one can not be exchanged for the 10th time when it dies a week from opening the box.
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>> posted by BluBob on 1/20/2009 12:33:30 PM
Is this dieing off or is everyone afraid John will find out who you are and send you a Pls Cmt?

Masteforce- Have you really been fired? Remember Menards is an "At Will" employer and they can get rid of you for any reason or no reason. You are only protected if you are a member of a protected class and can prove discrimination.

There are a bunch of TMs at our local stores who are waiting the employee free choice act. I cannot join because I am a dept mgr but I will cheer them on. Though I feel bad about our General Manager losing 60 percent of his pay if a Union is recognized.
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>> posted by BluBob on 1/20/2009 12:43:43 PM
Is there anyone out there who was part of the multiple class action lawsuits in Illinois? There has been three
1) Not paying out earned vacation and profit sharing if the TM didn't work out the required time. 2wk notice for vacation and Dec 15 for profit sharing. Menards lost.

2) Delaying the first paycheck for 3 wks. Menards lost and had to pay 400k for attorney fees and 400+k to team members in the form of a in store credit. They had to pay interest on the held money. I would be curious how much anyone received.

3)Federal class action for racial discrimination- still in court but I think Menards will lose based on past problems.
If anyone was part of any three pls let us know how much you received.
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>> posted by Sweetpoison on 1/23/2009 5:01:40 PM
Everyone who commented on this before me is a lil S+it. John is my stepdad and he is a WONDERFUL man. Its obvious none of you know the real him. I see his kids with him all the time and they are really happy when there around him. John is one of the most loving, funny, and exciting person i know. I'm only 18 but i can assure you I have NEVER met anyone with such a great heart like John. You guys either dont know him at all, havent had a conversation with him, are jealous, or your just bored with your lives.
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>> posted by Sweetpoison on 1/23/2009 5:01:45 PM
Everyone who commented on this before me is a lil S+it. John is my stepdad and he is a WONDERFUL man. Its obvious none of you know the real him. I see his kids with him all the time and they are really happy when there around him. John is one of the most loving, funny, and exciting person i know. I'm only 18 but i can assure you I have NEVER met anyone with such a great heart like John. You guys either dont know him at all, havent had a conversation with him, are jealous, or your just bored with your lives.
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>> posted by team member on 1/25/2009 8:54:53 PM
Sweet poison,
If i was paid a 1000 dollar bribe to post that reguarding john menard i would as well as anyone else who posted on here in the past. Of couse that 1000 dollars would be recieved in the form of merchandise credit with seperate 10 dollar purchase of non rebated items and will be recieved in 4-8 weeks or never.

If you know Mr Menard so well let's finally get something here posted from the horse's mouth. He refused to defend himself in the slighest way when information for this article was being collected and everyone who works for menards knows nothing comes between him and the green stuff in his wallet.

have a nice day
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>> posted by Mixed on 1/27/2009 3:19:07 AM
While browseing wikipedia I stumbuled upon this interesting article. I respect Mr. Menard for what he has accomplished. From rather meager means to richest man in Wisconsin, it's a story that says something great about our country. I worked at Menards a few summers back. I knew all the stories about him, but I needed a job to make rent and go to school. I got a job quickly at the EC DC. In all honesty it sucked, but I worked hard put some coin in my pocket. However, at the start of the fall semester I could not work the required 24 hr week minimum due to my course load that semester. They were unwilling to negotiate anything less. Science courses and my educaton are a full time job for me. But I made enough money to save and I made it till I got a better job somewere else, makeing more money.


My biggest gripe was that I was smarter than the full time workers in my area. You wouldn't believe the piss poor people management. I don't mean to sound condesending...but it's the truth. I was working the same ammount of hours in the summer as a full time employee, but I was being paid a lot less. All while being held to the same standards (eg. taking a day off for a wedding, or family event was absolute hell). Very smart business practice I must admit.

Bottom line...he provides jobs, but they are under is rule. I thank his company for the coin. I needed it at the time. But by no means is it a type company that I would ever want to work for again.

P.S. He is still a cold hearted man. But in this world, maybe thats what you need.
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>> posted by VB on 1/29/2009 6:30:42 PM
Dear People,

I filed a complaint with the department of Labor to get my vacation pay and IPS So far I recieved my vacation pay as a result if anyone needs the forms I have them feel free to let me know so I can send them to you. I can e-mail them to you.
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>> posted by Kelly Lee on 1/30/2009 7:15:43 PM
Form Unions it is the only way to protect your job
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>> posted by John Turner on 1/31/2009 2:16:35 PM
I am a former contract employee of Menards. I have witnessed Larry Menard screaming his head off because he counted 17 carts in the parking lot of the store.His verbal abuse was the stuff of legend. It was assumed his main intention of a store visit was to entice an employee to break down in tears in front of as many people as possible.
The business practices of paying vendors is out of this world. They simply do everything they can to not pay their bills. It's well know that once you no longer serve Menards, any money you are owed will be handled in court or should be written off.
I'm tired of people defending their illegal labor and environmental practices as shrewd business.
It's a good thing money keeps such good company for i fear it's going to be lonely in the end for these rich, very angry people.
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>> posted by Blubob on 2/5/2009 9:59:04 AM
Hi everyone,
Do you think the new attorney General is talking about Menards. Remember discriminating adainst former Union members is a civil rights violation as is racial and disability discrimination. From the Washington Post "In public statements since his nomination, Holder has emphasized civil rights enforcement"
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>> posted by Masterforce on 2/9/2009 5:39:04 AM
Hey everyone, Masterforce here. Sorry I haven't been around to read your uninsightful entires I was busy working. Those unemployment lines are getting fairly long out there, better get in line soon. IPS is right around the corner, my staff hates receiving those large checks. Blubob, do you really think anyone is interested in a union after what you guys did to GM, Ford and all the airlines. We should nationalize the auto and airline industries and stop the bleeding now, its obvious the unions can not help themselves.
I'm excited to see what useless garbage you spew next, first person to have an original thought will get a nickel.
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>> posted by the truth of isp on 2/9/2009 11:45:11 PM
masterforce,
The ips is just a weak way to cover up the 10 cent per hour raise employees recieve every 6 months and menards to collect more intrest on your money their with holding from employees over the year. Think about it, an employee works 1200 hours in the 2008 pay year at 9.00 a hour part time that totals 10,800 gross so say 9100 net. they recieve a massive 2.5 percent of the 9100 for their share of profit which is 227.50 dollars gross and since menards uses a tax bracket that costs the employee nearly 50 percent tax you would end up with a check with a massive 130 dollars. Now assume instead of ips menards gave 20 cent raises evey 6 months or adverage it to say a 9.00 dollars a hour empoyee makes 9.30. 9.3 times the 1200 hours = 11600 gross compared to 10800 gross with the isp feature. now take the 10800 with the gross isp of 227.50 for a total of 11027.50 gross compared to 11600 if they gave 20 cent raises every 6 months for a diffence of 572.50 dollars short with isp and again menards collects intrest over the year. I know the isp rate increases 2.5 percent each year the employee is with menards but if you do the math your loosing money each year comparing 20 cent raises every 6 months to 10 cent raises every 6 months since raises in past years would be 10 cents hour every 6 months. I know math may be hard for some but isp is not what its mislead to be. trust me out, there is no reason to feel tied to a leash by menards that you cant leave your job due to isp because any other job out there is better. by the way is the isp handout i fail to see what percent john menard recives............... 300000 percent maybe?
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>> posted by mayor on 2/11/2009 4:22:50 PM
Masterforce The unions did that? I thought they just helped the workers get their fair share of the spoils. And maybe not have to eat cat food in retirement.What kind of retirement can a regular Menards employee look forward to? Do you think the bigwigs would give raises or care about what happens to retirees out of the goodness of their hearts if they didn't have too? My father worked in an auto factory in the thirties before the auto unions.He told me stories about people getting raises and promotions by doing things for the managers like yard work and painting for free. That kind of extortion doesn't exist with union representation.
Maybe that's why you dislike unions.
What kind of "favors" do you receive from your "loyal" employees. Who gets raises in your store, the quiet hardworking undemanding faithful employee, or that special person that makes sure that you are personally accommodated? Honestly if I was in your position and had your ego I'd go with the bootlicker.
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>> posted by Josh Young on 3/2/2009 1:05:21 AM
I have not yet experienced the wrath or Menard's corporate staff and policy in my 5 months of employment at Menard's, however certain of my coworkers have been suspended for things they have done while being watched by Larry Menard via remote observation of security cameras. one in particular got suspended for 3 days while looking at a picture on a digital camera of a certain tool that a woman needed for her husband. Larry Menard personally called the store manager and had her suspended. Frequently, corporate hired "observers" will come into the store to "check things, over" and make "recomendations." More like drones that micromanage their way into making the good hardworking employees of Menard's fear the loss of their jobs or wages It seems to me that all the Menard's corporate staff does is sit in giant leather chairs all day... wait for someone to do something wrong and punish them for it. Then on the weekends they go and play with their race car and they're back in the office on Monday to do it all over again. If you ask me, when i'm gone, I hope that S.O.B. gets nailed by a half ton palate on the top shelf of an overstock bay at one of his stores.
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>> posted by pollackpride on 3/11/2009 1:43:10 PM
I worked at Menard's before going to the new Home Depot store in WI, 2001. Before the HD store opened, employees were threatened with their job not to even mention that company's name! Good riddance, MasterCrap!
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>> posted by not a mastercrap fan on 3/12/2009 10:16:16 PM
i recieved my IPS from the Department of Labor so there
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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:12:37 PM
I currently am, or maybe was, or perhaps know of somebody who is, or was a contract hauler. Who cares. Anyway, I am speaking on behalf of myself, or that person.

If you are considering becoming a CONTRACT HAULER for the company of Menard's... then you may want to consider the following before doing so. Although I can only say that the things I will be telling you are true, I can most certainly prove much of it by posting for all to see, the contract and past contracts that I hold in my hand. The only thing I can not prove to you are the countless issues of bullying that take place by this company.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:13:41 PM
Menard's offer to its haulers a contract that is non negotiable and exclusively written by Menards. Each time a newer version replaces an old, you either agree to it, try to dispute it (which it obviously appears no one has ever done and made good of, probably due to fear), or leave.

Each time a new contract is released, it means they will be pulling your hair in more ways. If there is anything good, which is rare, it just covers up all the things they just took from you.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:19:29 PM
They will fine you for things such as

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:21:00 PM
leaving the yard without the proper number of flags attatched to each unit on your truck. Example, they want one flag attatched to all FLAT sides of all units. Seems like a waste of time, resources, and a great way to litter the sides of highways with red menards flags.
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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:22:43 PM
5 dollars deducted for each flag can quickly eat up the 35 they pay you for the whole delivery

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:23:26 PM
10 dollar fine for each truck per day that does not carry a cell phone. So if some yard guy runs over my phone with his forklift, I guess I have to pay them each day until my replacement arrives... With how poorly the communication is in that store, I don't feel that I should have to HAVE ANYTHING.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:24:48 PM
They will make you pay four hundred and some odd dollars for a GPS unit so that they can follow your every move, even when you are not working for them. Oh, and you also pay 10 dolalrs a month for that GPS's cellular bill. When my local store's appliance delivery driver started pulling the plug on his after work so that he could have some privacy, they sent a technician to the store to tamper-proof all delivery driver's systems. That was also his personal mode of transportation. A simple pickup truck. We pay big bucks to own these larger rigs, and what we do outside of hauling for them should be our own business.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:26:59 PM
They will take up to half of your total delivery pay if you submit that invoice later than so many days, regardless of what reason you may have for doing so (say, an injury left you unable to fulfill billing obligations on time). But, if they take until the Christmas after next to PAY YOU, you get nothing extra.

You can quickly get buried waiting for payment.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:27:24 PM
When they think business and sales are low, you will be sitting at home making nothing and waiting for the day they will call you again. If you drive your truck anywhere on any of those days, they might call you to see what you are doing driving around when there are no loads.

During those months of few loads, I always lost more money than I had even earned during the busy months. When summer rolls around I am so busy with nothing but devotion towards Menard's and the upkeep of my truck. Just when you think you might make up for all of your hard earned debt, and actually get ahead, winter rolls around again.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:27:56 PM
They do not care if there is no food on your table.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:28:16 PM
Menards will not pay you under any condition, unless the guest has already paid them for handling charges. Handling charges are paid to you for the work that you do once at the delivery destination. Examples are hoisting materials up to a roof, or placing items off boundries of the driveway. Anything that is not a standard driveway should mean more money earned by the hauler, as per contract. SO, when Menards starts closing deals on free handling to their guests, they are screwing over their delivery service. When you arrive and do not perform the extra duties because of not being paid, you get a complaint filed against you. Then Menards can fine you against your mileage earnings for that delivery.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:29:34 PM
Just this week, this exact thing happened to me where free handling was given to a guest, without my consent, to keep them satisfied with coming back. When I argued it and demanded compensation in one way or another, my very own store manager told me that she would not cheat the system to get me paid what is rightfully owed to me, but instead that sometimes I need to "bite the bullet" in order for them to be able to keep customers interested and coming back. Once a customer is spoiled like that, they will expect nothing less from then on, and this is an account that I have delivered to for about two years.

I have recorded the entire incident with my phone. If it weren't for the loud ass store intercom, it might be pushed off as insufficient evidence. Events are sometimes so harsh within the Menards environment, that I have recorded several instances. Sometimes I don't capture the moment I was looking for. Who should really have to do that unless it really was that bad?

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:31:24 PM
I have many months of financial delinquencies and only few where I am stress free.

No one likes collections, or bad credit. They never stop calling, and I have bad credit.

They will not approve me for a Big Card. Oh the irony.

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>> posted by I M Sofa King We Todd Ed on 3/23/2009 6:31:28 PM
Did I mention already that they don't care how much money that you don't have, and did I also mention that since I started hauling for them I have been stuck because of too much borrowed that I will lose my ass on if I just quit? I keep waiting for a good change
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>> posted by mayor on 3/25/2009 5:40:25 PM
5.2 billion and still counting and still screwing people. John you greedy greedy man. May you burn in hell with your minions.
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>> posted by Iowa 1998 on 4/1/2009 3:50:34 PM
I remember how menard's used to use pallets that were weird sizes- not standard 40 by 48 inches. If you think about it, most warehouse or logistics companies plan around 40 by 48 pallets, and couldn't use a pallet that was 36 by 72 very well- it wouldn't fit. So nobody else can use menard pallets.

When I worked there (see my screenname) I was a part-time college kid. menards policy was not "when are you available to work" rather "this is when we expect you to work." For full-time employees this makes sense- if someone hires me full-time, offers good wage, insurance, etc. I will agree to work whenever they need me. If I am part-time, that means that frankly, the job is NOT the most important thing I have going on and I have other stuff to do. I should be able to request a day off when I need it.

My department manager said if we didn't know what was going on in our lives 2 weeks ahead of time, we had problems. Things crop up last-minute. That manager drank so much he had to be hospitalized for 7 weeks one time but he kept his job.

Last thing, for now. When I was in junior high or sometime before I worked there, there was a guy who my mom and I asked for help with something. He grabbed a box off of a shelf, slammed it to the ground, sliced it with his knife, and gave my mother a look like he would tear her head off. Mom filed a complaint and years later, when I worked there, he still had his job. Then somebody allegedly complained about me and I got chewed out in public for it. Threatening a customer, and kept his job. Favoritism.
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>> posted by Former Corporate Employee on 4/7/2009 3:46:05 PM
Worked corporate for a while until I founded my own small company. I'm very familiar with corporate atmosphere and I have to say that Menards was the absolute worst I've ever witnessed.

The pay was abysmal, the management rude (sometimes cruel), bathrooms were crowded and filthy, the sound of management screaming at employees over the phone was almost frightening. Favoritism, prejudice and fear permeated every corner of that run-down place, from the dirty ceilings to the worn out green carpeting.

I hope the nice people who have given their time there are well and happy, but for me and many others it was the most horrible professional experience of my life.


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>> posted by mr team member on 4/17/2009 11:41:31 PM
Ive been following this forum for months since I have been working at menards. Since menards is all about snitching and lying I thought i would post on here the latest. Today I was asked by a manager to go to a home depot store which is about 5 miles away and buy as much as i can of 1 gallon round up ready to use weed killer containers on sale for $5 each. I was shown a e mail from the corperate office of menards instructing menards employees to go to home depot and buy as much of this product as possible for resale since the price was so low. I asked him which truck do I use to do this and he replys you use your own car for this and pay for the items on your personal credit card then when you return you enter the yard have the guard expect your car and fill out forms and the front end will credit the amount to your card. I asked him why should I use my car to make money for the store and how much do I get paid for the gas I use. He said you get your usual pay, accoring to the menard policy you are not reimbursed for gas and we will watch the clock when you are gone to make sure you dont take longer then it should. So I went to home depot and guess what, there was a sign saying limit of 2 per customers. I bought the 2 I could and returned to my menards store. The manager asked what the hell is there and wheres the rest. I just said sorry theres a limit of 2 per customer.
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>> posted by John Williams on 4/21/2009 5:43:37 PM
I thought Rick Wagoner of GM was the only CEO who treated his employees like garbage. He is a saint compaired to this Menard guy.
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>> posted by SafetyGuy on 4/22/2009 6:41:16 AM
At one point in my Menards career, I reported directly to John. I haven't read all of the comments but I think one important thing about the organization hasn't been completely detailed yet. All of the stores, as well as purchasing and security, are managed by the Lumberyard Division, their name for the retail arm. Until 3-31-09, that division was headed up by Larry Menard, John's brother. Larry is an angry, angry man, and I'm surprised to read that he didn't dead of a stress-related heart attack before retirement. I think many of the horror stories can be laid at the feet of Larry, rather than John.

John is blunt and rough around the edges but he's not a fool, either. I had a meeting in his office once and it got heated between some of the participants. He had a piece of paper sitting on his desk which he held up and asked someone to read. It said "Be careful whose a.. you kick today, it might be the one you have to kiss tomorrow."

Funny fact about John: There are very particular seating arrangement rules when meeting with him. The first time I met him, it was at the company restaurant. Being the lowest person on the totem pole for that meeting, I was required to sit next to him. The higher your rank, the further away you sat. Also, the desk in his office, a table really, is triangle-shaped. This was so he could see everyone and there was no hiding behind the person next to you.

I don't miss the hours I worked over 1000 hours of OT my final year. But there was endless opportunity for someone willing to work the hours and maintain the flexibility they demanded.
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>> posted by asst manager on 5/2/2009 8:17:00 PM
I have worked for Menards for a couple of years. If there was any job anywhere else, I'd leave in a heartbeat.
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>> posted by John doe on 5/4/2009 2:53:25 PM
I worked over weekend only to be horrified at the way my store is stealing from the company. We received items from our DC by mistake instead of sending back to the DC,my manager store manager and building material manager decided it was ok to just offer our remodel material to a contactor for any price he was willing to offer. I felt this is theift but had no one to go to for fear of what might happen to my job.
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>> posted by team member on 5/4/2009 10:42:39 PM
Mr doe,
You think your situation is theft. What about the tons of stuff that menards stores "defect out" every day. Either stuff that is damaged by customers, empty boxes from stolen stuff, slow moving items, Store use items or items that are just out of season are taken to the return desk to be claimed as defects. Menards then uses that info to get cost refunds on those items claiming they were shipped to the store defective even though employees are too lazy to put it away, it was stolen, store use or just not selling enough. I feel this is very unfair to companies who supply to menards stores as their our money becasue of tons of false defects claims
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>> posted by Ben on 5/31/2009 12:40:22 PM
I read one of the comments that said managers get deducted weekly for not making payroll but we also get a bonus for making it. This is a great company to work for, and it is good john does things the way he does because he has turned menards into a great company that has never had to shut its doors on his team members. I am proud to work at menards.
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>> posted by MD on 5/31/2009 8:54:01 PM
Way to go Ben.
Don't waste your time reading this daily like I did for a long time. We are far too busy working. Working for a company free of government handouts. Free from layoffs. Free from shutdowns and free from Bankruptcies.

There are many so called and self-proclaimed experts on John Menard who like to sound off on this site. Ben, just keep doing what you're doing. I've been doing this Menards gig for a long time and it gives you back everything you put into it.

Know this. Noone is going to agree with everything John does. But, noone is John Menard. If they were in his shoes, they would most likely crawl in the fetal position in search of a happy place. He makes tougher decisions daily than most of us do in a lifetime. It's those tough decisions that keep his detractors fueled. It's also those tough decisions that have allowed you and I and thousands and thousands of FAMILIES to continue to earn a paycheck. While families, neighborhoods and entire communities crumble under the weight of these economic times, we still work.

You're right we do work for a great company. Now, more than ever, that is evident.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 6/22/2009 10:18:57 PM
Ok whatever. I am a delivery driver of four years and can't take a paycheck home for my family. It all goes back into operating costs and fuel. Doesn't matter how busy either. It is the woman in this houshold who puts food on the table. Since december 05/january 06 there has been no changes in pay except they keep finding ways to pay us less. We have to take gravel roads and shortest possible routes with our rigs to make the one way mileage that they pay us. This was the latest thing that popped up. Not if it were their money!!
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>> posted by team member on 6/27/2009 11:45:36 PM
As a follow up to delivery drivers coments at many menards locations you will see these colorful signs postes on doors claiming a menards delivery driver is a dream job and they offer you a ton of free stuff and it is 100% bs. As a menards employee i can tell you they have a list of over 200 policies and procedures employees must follow to save the company ever penny possible. They clain on the ad they offer free advertising for you, but guess what the massive trucks you invest in can only be used for delivery of their products with no personal use allowed. Not to mention you must pay them to install a gps system so they can babysit you and nag about where you go. Delivery driver can fill in more im sure. Also another fun fact not mentioned yet is the acconts personal at the stores has reams of forms for payment refusal where they reject every invoice possible for any reason they can think of or even none at all. Every time i go that section of the store i work at there are at least 5 of these forms filled out. It must be so fun to be a vendor for do service work for menards. One last note id like to make is a happy independance day to all the team members who will be working on the 4th. Im sure the $80 or whatever you will make that day more working until 8 pm more then compensates you for missing a day with family and friends all wondering while your the only one missing. But then again plan o grams, end caps and downstocking always is number 1 in a team members life.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 6/30/2009 11:15:13 PM
Thank you team member. Not for taking a certain side, but for acknowledging a post I have made. I am trying to reach out to make people aware of Menards' opportunities that they OFFER and I feel that maybe other vendors can't find it in themselves to stand their ground. It's all about gathering bullets. Anyway, I feel like nobody can hear me or even wants to hear. The company with the friendly TV ads, the inviting mail-outs, the company that refers to its customers as "guests"... It's all a lie and they should be damned for it. Somebody who is not a team member, but closer to a "guest" ought to take information from some poor beat up fella, walk up to the nearest Menard big-dog and embarass the hell out of him. Or in rare cases, her. WARNING you may be lied to.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 6/30/2009 11:44:41 PM
And also... I know that contract haulers with real delivery trucks are being washed out and replaced with Master Lift trucks THAT YOU MUST BUY FROM MENARDS!!!!! These trucks are a mistake and if you think that wiping out boom trucks and teledyne tucks is going to make your delivery program absolutely ROCK, then any real man who runs a real lumber yard with real quality products and real genuine customer service would laugh in your face and say thanks for the business! 150+ yards have now been exchanged out for these trucks which either proves that they either are washing out real trucks and people whom they once promised endless earning potential and ultimate job security, or that the turn-over rate is really that high. I think it is probably both. For haulers that are stubborn like myself and still around with a real truck, there are crazy new changes popping up here and there, but not actual contract changes. We are paid one way mileage, bad one way mileage for delivery. It is, however, our major source of income. Now for each delivery we take out, we are paid for "shortest possible route" mileage. If we avoid their gravel road hell, then the extra mileage is supposed to be at our expense. Gravel roads cost time, money, and huge wear on tires. Gravel also creates massive amounts of dust which can easily turn a customers goods into filth. None of this makes sense to them. Semi trucks do not belong on gravel roads, and everyone has hear the term "truck route" before. When my stores manager called HQ to inquire about the drivers concerns (that there must have been an error in settings), they promptly said that "trucks take gravel roads every day". That was the end of conversation! Keep pushing, you will miss us later.
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>> posted by team member on 7/3/2009 1:37:50 PM
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to tell you i recieved a gift from menards for july 4th. Every holiday we recieve gifts such as deck of cards that have menards in huge print on each card or a folder that again has the word menards in huge print. Basicly stuff that even dollar tree type stores would not even sell. Most of my "gifts" go staight to the goodwill store. This time i recieved a grey t shirt that yet again has the word menards in massive print. This shirt will be perfect to wear for my upcoming painting project. By the way intend to do the project right the first time by using quality products insted of trying to save a few pennys by using menards products. Thank you so much mr menard. Maybe someday i'll get a gift that has a value greater then the shipping cost.
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>> posted by MADE IN CHINA on 7/6/2009 3:46:55 AM
MENARDS DOESNT HAVE MONEY TO STAFF ITS STORES OR PAY EMPLOYEES, BUT HE DOES HAVE MONEY TO STAY OPEN LONGER DURING THE WEEK AND TAKE ON EXTRA OPERATING COSTS HUH? ***** JOHN WITH HIS GREEDY ASS.
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>> posted by MADE IN CHINA on 7/6/2009 3:51:20 AM
ALL GOODS SOLD AT MENARDS ARE MADE IN CHINA SUPPORTING THEIR ECONOMY WHILE OURS IS CRUMBLING. ONE DAY WHILE WORKING THERE A CUSTOMER PICKED UP A PRODUCT WHERE THE SIGN SAID MADE IN THE USA, BUT IN THE PRODUCT ITSELF IT SAID MADE IN PRC (PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA). THE CUSTOMER UHHMMM GUEST WAS PISSED THAT WE WERE CHARGING HIM USA MADE PRICES FOR SOMETHING MADE IN CHINA LOL.
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>> posted by Team Menard on 7/6/2009 10:44:12 PM
I like hoe Del. Driver says he cant afford anything, but all three Menards I have worked at all the drivers have made over 100k a year. So where is your money going? Also did you know Menards losses money on every del. we take?
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>> posted by mr team member on 7/6/2009 10:57:54 PM
Made in china,
A few weeks ago i was asked to set up a couple end caps to a plan o gram display. It was a Patriotic theme for the upcoming july 4th holiday which all employees work all day but thats another story. Anyways it used items such as American flags and windsocks and even packages of napkins. As I gathered the items from stock needed I noticed every item used was either made in china or taiwan. After i got the end caps completed as requested i went back to the deck where the co workers were hanging out. I made a comment of how having everything on a Patriotic end cap freshly imported from china and taiwan really makes a statement. I got a blank stare from them and then the manager was like ok are you ready for your next project. Honestly i feel bad for some employees since they live a life of a robot doing what their told and no sense of life outside a menards store. But then again aparently that is what makes a perfect employee for mr menard.
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>> posted by former menards employee on 7/6/2009 11:07:46 PM
hey team menard,
I can tell according to your grammar your a few credits short of your GED. So what if if you make 100K a year, you need to subtract expenses such as the trucks, fuel, employees wages, insurance, and most important the GPS menards requires you to install so they can babysit your every move.
maybe the next location you will be working at will be below mr menards desk while he is on the phone? Team menard i hope you enjoy then 25 cent pencil eraser you will recieve with the menards logo for the positive coment you left.
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>> posted by Part-Timer on 7/7/2009 10:54:57 AM
I think it is hilarious that both proponents and detractors of Menard Inc. on these posts are questioning each other’s intelligence. Although I agree with former menards employee’s point of view, I just find it laughable that he blasts team menard for having poor grammar and then proceeds to use poor grammar in his latest post. Let me show you:

former menards employee begins, “I can tell according to your grammar your a few credits short of your GED.”

The sentence should look like the following “I can tell according to your grammar YOU’RE a few credits short of your GED.”

If one thing is made clear from this situation it is that Menards is like a magnet for ignorance. Perhaps the next care package from John Menard should include a dictionary and thesaurus.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 7/9/2009 7:38:48 PM
A hundred thou is a figure I myself never have seen. At the store I haul for there were two big-time hauling companies splitting the work, maybe that's why. Last year I raked in 72 thousand from Menards including bonus. 19,116 for truck payments,5640 for the extensive insurance coverage including cargo (and I have a clean driving record), 22,300 for fuel, 1800 to DOT truck, 1040 for tabs (truck, and pup trailer) 15,288 for tires, oil, lights, seals, engine parts, crane upkeep and parts, routine maintenance, etc.... now figure what is spent on the road for snacks, drinks, food and anything to keep alive when not alloted a lunch break on crammed days. What in the hell is left for me and my family to live off of? my first year when the economy was better I had earned in the upper 90 thou and it only cost more to run, and fuel was 2 bucks more per gallon. I have not made anything and I am not one to waist money. So what team menard is saying is nothing I haven't heard before. Managers and employees alike have always seen a dollar amount and only that, not what actually goes into running a business. A guy like that thinks menards is making a hundred bucks when they sell a hundred dollar shed. Oh well.
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>> posted by Team Menards on 7/9/2009 11:31:18 PM
The masterlift 5000 (the truck Menards now uses) Costs 40k so you paying 19,116 a year for the truck in 3 years you should have that thing payed off.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 7/10/2009 1:55:50 PM
My store uses a boom truck and fork truck. The masterlift 5000 is, in corporate eyes, the wave of the future!!! Yes, obviously they are replacing all services with these trucks, but unfortunately are keeping old timer services like myself in the dark about our future. It is obvious the growing chokehold they have on us lately to flush us out. Do you think a friendly company like menards would ever admit to being unethical like that? After they offered us the same potential they are offering now? Endless earning potential and JOB SECURITY??? Wait until they deface your life and maybe you will stand up too. Menards is a terrible operation. There are better people out there who will try to save a consumer his money. Menards will do anything to save a buck. Some people insist that it is genius, while others, like myself, get that sick feeling in our stomaches. I had a customer pay me (with his own funds) to head to two outside menards locations to pick up shingles because the local store didn't have enough (500 bundle sale). I always thought that a customer could buy whatever quantity of an item that he or she needed and the retailer (menards) would already have everything covered in the price. Anyway they told this fella that if he wanted his shingles within 5 days he would have to pay a driver full mileage rates to expedite his materials. The shiiit kicker was before I had headed on this trip, I had Menards on the line telling me that one of the stores desperately needed shingles of another sort brought out to them and I (of course) needed to throw them on. I told them, and even called that store that wanted the materials to tell them that this trip had nothing to do with store transfers and I was working for a customer only. When I had the delivery coordinator on the line from the other store I explained that I felt it was unethical to be taking advantage of a customer this way and I would not do the transfer unless they refunded my customer half of his money. When he relayed that message to his manager I heard "WHAAT??! PUT HIM ON THE PHONE!" I felt I did not need to deal with that and fortunately the coordinator ended up misplacing the call anyway. I later heard from my own coordinator that they were going to pay their own driver to come and pick up the materials.

What I don't understand is why were they insistantly trying to get our store (me) to cover a free transfer for their customer when our customer had to pay himself. Was it because they told him they would do it at their own (mine actually) expense without telling him that a truck was already coming anyway? Maybe to impress him and get him talking about how good Menards is? Secondly, after their truck ended up not ever making it here to do the pick up, they had the nerve to call me from that store and chew my A$$ about how they lost a $5000 sale because of me. I stood up against the abuse towards my service, and also for that poor customer that they (BUSTED) tried to take advantage of. I was then told by my store manager that I would from now on get no favors, as if I did anyway, and would consistently get screwed over for my mileage earnings since I screwed over menards. I was once loyal to the store, and still am loyal to the contract. Are they loyal to me? The contract?

Before the whole mess and while the general manager of my store was initially on the phone with me about the special transfer, I had stated to her that if I were forced to do the piggy back transfer, I would most certainly be sharing with my customer what his money had actually paid for. She said "why would you even bring that up in a conversation?" I ask myself, should he not know?
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>> posted by To DELIVERY DRIVER on 7/22/2009 5:30:03 PM
You have a 60 day notice put it in, and go find a new job! Quit whining, if your not happy with your situation CHANGE IT!
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>> posted by nickbeef on 7/22/2009 11:47:08 PM
The previous stories show the truth about a man that has truly shown his greed and treated the regular john doe, trying to make it in life as real trash . . . i worked for John and Larry in the early years at the HQ and all the stories are so similar and true. John sued me for leaving ($20K), just to make life misserable. i always stated that if you work for Menards, it shows you how not to operate a good business. thank God, not all businesses are operated like Johns. . . Your don't need to treat people this bad to be successful. i once saw John physcally grab an employee 125#,s and throw him on the cement floor in Eau Claire store because he disliked the display he was building. What a business man!!
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>> posted by former employee on 7/25/2009 1:05:20 PM
I started out a a new store in a full time postion ,after about 4 months was then pulled and put into another department, then we had 2 more GMs and numerous assistant GMs and as I worked harder it seemed that the older employees and the ones of us who had been there since setup were getting shifted and treated like dummies. not long after the 3rd GM comes he started giving overtime and hiring a lot of parttime people to (get the store in Order ) to impress the GOs. So we ended up not getting our profit sharing because of that , but were told it was due to sales we didnt make... Yeh right.
I also learned that it doesnt matter how hard you work or how loyal you are unless you kiss ass and are under 40 years old its no go with them. You get no warning and your managers will not say a word in your defense for fear of losing thier jobs.
After 2years and 6 months and 3 postions I was fired out of the blue for really nothing and treated like I was a criminal.

Management (most of them are young and not very well trained) I HAVE MORE COMMON KNOWLEDGE OF HOME IMPROVEMENT THAN MOST OF THEM DID AND BROUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO THE STORE.

aLL I CAN SAY IS THEY LOST A GOOD EMLOYEE AND THEY WILL LOSE A LOT OF THE QUESTS THAT i GOT TO BUY AT THE STORE.
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>> posted by Truth on 7/31/2009 5:45:12 PM
As an old buying office employee, I'll tell you a huge problem. No new vendors will ever get in the door as long as the current ones continue to grease the buyers and merchandise managers. A former top executive's firing a few years ago put no fear into anyone. In fact, that person is back and doing it again (what's funny is that this person thinks no one knows about it - haha). So many deals come through that end up getting filed in the trash can for no reason other than the fact the buyers do not want to make changes. Why would they? They have a great deal going with all the side perks. New vendors mean no side perks, or at least a delay until they are re-established. It's always interesting to hear the excuses as to why a new program will not be investigated, even though they are better programs for less money. As much money as John makes, who knows how much gets lost because negotiations do not have a company-first mentality? Buyers and merchandise managers should have term limits. Rotating them will keep programs more fresh and honest. That is great for business and great for consumers.

Since bonuses are paid on profit, most lower level managers lose out. It's a no-win situation. If one does nothing, profits are low and bonuses are small. If one reports crooked behavior, that person is black listed and may as well quit. John has said before that he should fire everyone in the buying office. That may be the only way to rid this criminal activity.

Business is business and gratuities happen all the time. It's just disproportionate.
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>> posted by Bud Johnson on 8/4/2009 5:51:05 AM
****SCOTT SIEWERT**** 715 876 2790 Mega Loser. The playing field might just level out. One Giant Prick getting crapped on like he does to others is all I care to see.
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>> posted by Middle of the road on 8/10/2009 1:38:46 AM
I worked for Menards for 5 years in the 90's. I started as sales in hardware. Then I worked at a few stores in Chicagoland setting up stores and training employees. I then ended up as a department assistant manager and even worked at the corporate office for a while. I worked directly across the hall from John Menard and would see him quite often.
Menards was definitely 'old school'. There was plenty of hiring and firing of the higher ups. Kind of like pre-teen girls. One day they hate each other and the next day they were best friends. It was what it was.
It was my choice to work there. At that point in my life I was willing and able to work the long hard hours to make it worth while. It was my choice to eventually leave (for medical reasons, not work related stuff).
I think I'd have to say that the article was quite accurate. But Menards does what it does very well. I'm happy to shop there. I wouldn't mind working there again, but I prefer the work of stay at home mom.
I have great memories of working there. I received a verbal tongue lashing from Larry Menard once. I stuck my tongue out at him after he turned his back and then I went back to work. Eh. It is what it is.
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>> posted by big bloo on 8/26/2009 2:23:28 AM
Yay minardes is assum thae treet evrywon so good. i just bekam a stor manijer. i didnt go to colij and not regret anething anymor becuz im manijer now
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>> posted by Mark on 8/28/2009 10:58:23 AM
I never shop Menards, most big name stores offer handicap persons moterized carts to shop in. well I know the one in Kokomo Indiana has non, just manual wheel chairs that i can not use due to strength issues in arms. when i contact the customer service and they call me back and i say that i can not believe they do not have handicap motorized carts they have hung up on me or are nasty with me telling me that its not there problem and they do offer wheel chairs in their stores. i would rather pay a little more at Lowes or Home Depot where i can shop with a electirc cart and enjoy my trip looking for what i need. !
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>> posted by Trucking Company on 9/2/2009 2:51:48 AM
I need to persue legal remedies against menards revolving around its abuse and ignorance towards its hauling companies. I am dealing with massive distress and if anybody has inquiries of a professional at law who could hear my case and is familiar with Menards then please post. My current attorney does not understand this company.
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>> posted by JM.RE;trucking company on 9/13/2009 11:03:35 AM
You sound like an idiot and so does your attorney. Your attorney doesn't understnad hte company?? What does that matter? All your attorney needs to understnad is law and persue that.
The government should be run by a man like John Menard. Sure we wouldn't have all the free welfare ***** but we wouldn't be in the financial mess we are in now if the governemnt would take some tips out of Menards play book.
Respect to the man.
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>> posted by Truckkkkker on 9/17/2009 1:03:07 AM
And you must be a fool. You are so proud to work under such power, yet you would be so ashamed to identify yourself. Do you think people would like you? Do you think John really cares about you? You TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE THEY ARE TRASH. One day you might be a manager! Yay, aren't you excited?! JM Jr. chief executive whatever, ask your higher ups how in the hell they plan on finding my replacement when I will be involved in throwing trash out on the street? There are a lot of people out there that you just can't stop from shoppin' at Minards, but will anyone want to haul for him at this cheerful store if they know what I know? I will be glad to defend myself again if you have any more crap to poop out of your mouth.
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>> posted by MD on 9/22/2009 1:57:13 PM
Seriously, both Truckkkkker and Trucking company, you are not smart.

You entered willingly into an agreement. In that agreement it spells out everything that you claim you hate. That makes you...not so smart. In this same agreement, it states that you can walk away.

You have a job. If you don't like it, then do something else. If you continue to take money from Menards as they employ you and bash them namelessly on the internet, indeed, I would have to agree that you are an idiot and a coward to boot!

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>> posted by Ben on 9/23/2009 12:35:18 AM
Must be tough making 100k a year as a del. Driver for Menards. Menards is the WORLDS 16th largest privately held company-John is doing somthing right, and yes John does care about his employee's things called profit sharing where last year Menards gave out 79-million to his employee's
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>> posted by ex store employee on 9/28/2009 12:45:27 PM
Ben,
How do you come up with $100K net per year??? Are you subtracting expenses of the operator such as fuel, repairs, your employees, the cost to replace damages products even if menards employees loaded the products damaged or damaged them loading and of couse the required gps system with montly fees so menards can babysit your every move. Also if your truck should have any mechanical problems according to the menards contract its 100% your problem and you must rent a replacement truck. You also dont mention menards loves to take forever to pay people so a deliver you do in begining of june you wont see payment until late july and guess who pays off your expenses over that time while menards collects intrest on that money over the month and half. Even if the pay is $2000 per week after taxes as you claim when you subtract the actual expenses your working for peanuts or even in the red sometimes. Dont forget even though you own the truck you will have massive menards logos on all 4 sides and the magical menards gps system ensures you do not use the truck for any personal use.

As far as the IPS sharing that some people seem so excited about. In reality its just a weak way to justify the raise pay scale of a massive 10 cents every 6 months if you qualify. If you do basic math you will realize that a pay raise of even 20 cents every 6 months will give you a higher overall income for the year then the ips. But I know most employees have the personality of a robot and can be brainwashed in a second everytime the hear "save big money" over the store intercom. Personaliy when i worked there i refused to put working early and late hours above my friends and family just to inflate john menards wallet. I know that is a risk few employees choose to take
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>> posted by Ben on 9/28/2009 8:53:39 PM
Ok lets do this simple math on the ips....
Say you make $8 per hr for 10 hrs-$80 now lets say you have been with the company 2 yrs only (5% IPS of what you made) take 80*1.05=$84 now Divide that by 10 for hrs worked- 8.40 per hr I would take 8.40 per hr. Menards is based off loyalty the longer your with the company the more you make....Duh? now lets do it again say your making the same $8 and hr for 10 hrs- once again $80 but lets say you are with the company for 6 yrs now (max IPS 15%) so lets take 80*1.15=$92 now dived by 10-$9.20 per hr not bad 1.20 extra per hr. So IPS is better then a .20 cent raise every 6 months.

Del.- You are suppose to check off your truck, see whats on it if somthing is damaged on your truck why would you take it? If you are doing your job you would not have the problem of bringing out damaged merch. Menards is even with its team members 2 weeks behind on pay once you have waited that out you have a steady income coming in- dont get what your problem is here. Yea I know owning a truck can be spendy but you own the truck if you have mech. problems of course it is going to be your problem to fix it.
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>> posted by Former Menard Tard on 9/29/2009 1:40:49 PM
Glad to say that I left Menards on my own terms after almost 2 years of toil. I now have a satisfying new career with an employer that pays me over 4x what can be earned as a full time "team member," and I am offered benefits and perks that make your IPS and $2.50 / hr for working weekends look inconsequential. But the absolute best thing about breaking free from Menard Inc. is that I am now being adequately recognized and compensated for my ambition, intelligence, and talent. My talents are no longer being waisted on sliding and flat stacking lumber, facing shelves, and being forced by the GM to use the Pick-Up-&-Go Truck to fulfill deliveries and drive to other stores for merchandise due to stock outs.
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>> posted by truth on 9/30/2009 11:41:52 AM
Ben has no idea what profit sharing is. You say John does care about his employees because of the $79M in profit sharing payments. Do you know what profit sharing is at Menards? It's deferred wages. John holds back money that you have earned and gives it to you the following year. Even if you add 15% to your wages, it's still nothing more than a competitive wage. He holds the money and earns interest on it. 1 point for John. If a person quits before the end of the year, they don't get it. 1 more point for John. If a store doesn't meet their margin goals, even though the stores have little control of this in the big picture, a portion of the profit sharing is taken away. 1 more point for John.

You have to understand John is the master of making employees think they've won, when he knows he has actually won. This is a gift and a true talent.

Do you remember when insurance premiums were only deducted the last check of the month? John changed this to weekly because "The new policy will help team members budgets by taking a little out every week instead of one big deduction at the end of the month". Doesn't that sound great? You know why he went weekly? Because he could sit on that money longer until Menards had to pay the premiums at the end of the month. That equals more interest and more money for Menards. 1 more point for John.

You know those shirts that many team members are required to wear in the store that Menards sells to them at cost? Those shirts are imported in large quantities and sold to team members for a nice profit - not cost. 1 more point for John.

Do you know that the warranty center makes huge money every year? John charges so much rent for defects that most vendors agree to have their defects field destroyed. Do you know what field destroyed means? It means he keeps all the defects, many of which are brand new because the stores are idiots, and sells them to wholesalers. It's like free merchandise. 1 more point for John.

There are dozens of examples like this. Ben, don't be so naive. There are programs in place that are far beyond your understanding, and at a level you may never figure out.

Even with all that, John is a model business person. I have taken a ton of his concepts and applied them to my own business, and bottom line, I'm profitable.
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>> posted by former employee on 9/30/2009 2:01:19 PM
when i worked at a menards store until recently i was suprised by all the policies and rules directed towards the employees that were listed on the companys internal website. The rules were based on doing everything possible to save money for the company even if its at a employees expense. not to mention the trust level they had in employees based on the policies made you feel like everyone working for menards was convicted of felony theft. one of the other people here is more then welcome to go into the extent of the policies since i left months ago and everyday new ones were being updated or created. Also dont forget to mention fines applied to managers for absolutly stupid stuff thats not their fault or how pay roll deduction works. The store i worked at wanted to pay roll deduct me $150 since they claimed the little foam piece that goes on the earphone for the department radios. They didnt want to hear excuses such as maybe it was missing before i had it or wear and tear, not to mention how can a little piece of foam cost $150. Dealing with some managers is like talking to a wall which really makes me question if they treat co workers that way how do they treat the general public. I suspose just walking away from the situation works best for some however.
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>> posted by ben on 9/30/2009 5:16:08 PM
your all idiots. For all the work john menards puts into the company he deserves to collect the intrest from his employees over the year and pay the magical ips at the begining of the next year. The $300 net i recieve from my IPS check prevents me from getting motivated to get a real job. i think paying 79 million in IPS between all his employees is very generous considering john menard only is worth 6 billion dollars.
As for the guy who said he lost the foam piece of the ear phone of couse you pay $150. I dont want a single store expense being taken from my ISP. I love giving up everything and everyone in my life just to inflate mr menards wallet. I LOVE YOU John and again everyone else is an idiot
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>> posted by just a guy on 9/30/2009 8:09:15 PM
I met John through indy car racing. I have met a lot of very wealthy individuals, and they all have common traits, they are all very focused, and very driven people. We would all like to envision the kindly benefactor, when we think of people that we admire, and when someone shows us what they are really like we are shocked and saddened, but what we must realize is that the majority of us will never see that kind of wealth, and therefore we will never see what sacrifices to ourselves, friends, and families are made. Are any of us guiltless or immune? I have friends who have had extramarital affairs. I have friends who lie, or cheat on their taxes. Does that make them billionares? No, it makes them liars, or cheaters, or adulterers.

One thing that Screams out in this article, and later in all of the comments, (I did read all of them), not one single person, either a current or former employee has stated that John Menard is not honest. I have never stepped one foot into a Menard's store, however if he ever builds a store near my home, I will try and shop it, at least once, if the prices are better there than at Home Dpot, Lowe's, or my local hardware store, I will spend my money there.

So what if John Menard is a control freak, Roger Penske is a micro manager, big deal. John Menard really could care less about his image, or what people think of him personally. He is comfortable with who he is, and accepts himself for who he is, and seems to be personally happy with that. If it makes you feel better to shop someplace else, go. If you like to shop at Menard's shop.

If you want to judge John Menard, look into your mirror first, and those whose reflections are perfect can judge him without guilt, the rest of you, sit down and be quiet, until you build an empire of your own, then you may be able to see things as John sees them.
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>> posted by Truth on 10/1/2009 4:54:32 PM
Anyone else find Ben's comment "Your all idiots" a little ironic, since he used the wrong form of the word "Your". Hey Ben, try "You're all idiots". instead.
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>> posted by Guest on 10/8/2009 12:51:55 AM
Truth.... There was two diffrent "Ben's" posting. The one calling people "idiots" is just poking fun at this topic which is pointless... What did you gain from it?
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>> posted by question? on 10/8/2009 3:50:11 PM
Can anyone tell me if they worked at Menards as a delivery driver where you purchase the truck from them??? Is there really alot of money to be made or are they over selling it? Also would this be a job for a 55 year old person with no prior driving experience? Please give me an honest answer before I invest in this. barb414@gmail.com
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>> posted by mr honest on 10/8/2009 4:06:02 PM
would working as a menards delivery driver make alot of money??? honestly after you read the contract you must sign and all the fees and restictions they place on you i feel you would have much better odds taking your money to a casino. At least there you have a chance to win instead of someone milking you for every penny you have. Also a casino wont require you to buy a gps device to attach to your truck so they can babysit every move
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>> posted by Truth on 10/8/2009 4:09:16 PM
Guest, I guess what I gained is that when John said he didn't hire the Harvard types, Ben was what he had in mind.
Also, what does "There was two diffrent "Ben's" posting" mean? How about "There were two different "Ben's" postings." The plural verb works better there, as does proper spelling. Do you work at Menards too?
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>> posted by Considering on 10/16/2009 11:16:37 AM
I too am considering being a contract hauler. Any advice or insight would be greatly appreciated. I am in the Indiana area.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 10/16/2009 4:33:22 PM
Don't do it. You might work for a different location than I had, but would be commanded by the same office. You make "just enough" to cover expenses for the day, and Menards will do anything at all to secure a customer transacion. They might offer them free delivery or free handling. You might not recieve jack for anything you do for this guest, even with a delivery agreement in your possesion. Menards HQ exempts your pay by writing "we pay only what Guest pays for handling", or "need proof Guest payed for delivery". When they give price cuts to guests who are better valued than others, and you deliver this stuff to that spoiled rotten cry baby, it also means that you are getting paid less in escrow for that delivery (which is 1% of what you hauled). YOU ARE NOT SECURED HAULING FOR THEM. WHEN MENARDS HAS NO MORE USE FOR YOU THEY MIGHT GET RID OF YOU IN ANY WAY WITH NO CONSCIOUS' OF WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU. THEY SAID I QUIT... BULL ***** I LOST NEARLY $20,000 DOLLARS THAT THEY OWED ME. THEY WILL LEAVE YOU IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU CANNOT SURVIVE YOUR BUSINESS ANY FURTHER. THEY TELL PEOPLE THAT ASK ABOUT ME THAT I MOVED AWAY AND CHANGED MY NUMBER! I HAVE BEEN FORCED INTO A LIQUIDATION BANKRUPTCY. IT WAS MY ONLY OPTION TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM BOTH MENARDS, CREDITORS AND WHAT THEY WOULD TAKE. I WILL FIGHT THIS ***** COMPANY WITH EVERY LAST BREATH AND I WILL DO IT IN COURT. My experience may or may not be unique. I cannot tell you what yours would be like. I am offering to send you or anyone else copies of information that I have. What you do next would be your choice. Like someone earlier said, "take your money to a Casino instead".
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>> posted by concerned menard worker on 10/18/2009 10:40:08 AM
I have worked at Menards for a number of years as a cashier mostly. My HUGE gripe about this company is having to FREEZE my a off for my entire shift! Our store is in the north, AND faces north, and working there in the winter is horrible! Wind and snow blow right in the store, freezing us and customers, blowing money, paperwork, etc...down the aisles.Instead of letting the General Office know that we are freezing, and gettting "permission" to turn up the heat.....we freeze! Instead of turning the exit doors to "one way", thus preventing customers from coming in the exit doors in the winter...we freeze! And my biggest ***** is this.....it is mid- October....and we STILL have a running register out in the UNHEATED garden center!! Good goin.....spend TONS of money creating a garden center...then make it un-heated and un-air conditioned!! Brilliant!! Keep someone out there freezing all day to cater to a handful (and I do mean a handful) of customers that are too lazy to take their goods inside to the checkout! I HATE my job come winter...it is beyond miserable!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>> posted by john menard on 10/18/2009 1:34:28 PM
Concerned menard worker,
I am very sorry you feel that way about your employment however you must understand a penny spend is a penny less in my wallet. thank you to all my employees who are outside in extreme weather ringing up sales driving forklifts and preforming heavy physical labor, especially to those who become ill or injured but do not have health insurance.
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>> posted by Ed Archibald on 10/20/2009 5:05:00 PM
Coming back to Menards after a 4 year absence was a great move. The time away gave me a better perspective on how to get gratuities without being caught. I push some programs really hard. Those are the ones the pay me really well. I'm not obvious at all either. The merchandise managers and buyers have no idea. They would never laugh it up at lunch and talk about how obvious I am. It's funny how the programs I push all have pricing that is just pennies lower across the board. We don't want vendors to leave money on the table now, do we? I even email vendors using my private email. That way no one at Menards will ever know, because the vendors would never share that information off the record. I should be in charge of some covert operation because I am so sneaky, and really smart. Just ask me, I'll tell ya.
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>> posted by lowes depot on 11/7/2009 8:34:06 PM
MENARDS SUCKS!!!!!
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>> posted by concerned menard worker on 11/9/2009 3:58:15 AM
Why, oh why. are we the ONLY garden center in the northern region that is open still in November? What the Hl are the higher ups thinking??????????
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>> posted by MASTER on 11/17/2009 2:36:07 PM
Does anyone know if the Crestwood, IL store has their Master Lift driver back yet? Just want to know since this summer the guy got into an accident. Hope he's ok. Also hope that the employees that were sent out in the "pick up and go" or the MGR's Truck are ok as well since they would be SOL if they hurt themselves or got into an accident.
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>> posted by blah on 11/17/2009 2:38:24 PM
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>> posted by contractor sales on 11/19/2009 10:05:43 PM
I am a salesman for a store in Indiana where the flatbed driver quit. we were with out a truck for months, HQ sent a replacement truck, but it broke down...no one seems to care that we can not sell if we cannot deliver.
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>> posted by contractor sales on 11/19/2009 10:13:28 PM
the flatbed for a southern indiana store quit. HQ sent truck, but it broke down less than an hour from our store, HQ had it towed back to HQ, still no delivery truck and salesman trying to sell without delivery service!
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>> posted by fff on 11/19/2009 11:19:11 PM
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>> posted by Delivery Driver on 11/21/2009 5:00:28 PM
I hope that happens at every last blasted store there is! I would like to hear why your old delivery driver isn't there anymore. Did he really quit? Do you have a certain line that you are supposed to tell customers when they ask about the old flatbed Guy? Who cares about the old, right? This company pissed me off so bad. Maybe he did quite, and there are many reasons a driver should, but also some reasons he cannot. I sure wish quiting myself would have been my own option and not Menards' to make on my behalf. Masterlift trucks aren't cut out for continuous work, and they will break down a lot. Stuff it in your head and don't forget it. Menards' delivery program took so many steps in the wrong direction here, it's pretty much the start of the end if they keep it up.
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>> posted by gbx on 11/23/2009 9:57:22 PM
Menards will do anything not to pay vendors, contractors, or delivery haulers.
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>> posted by Menards Blows on 12/4/2009 11:22:39 PM
I like how everyone says John Menards is successful yeah his hard work made him a billionaire but he has nothing to show for it. Your accomplishments are only as good when you share them with others. When you give back to the community, you are helping others and I really do not see this with Menards. You can write all you want but most of these managers do not even have a clue what it takes to be successful. Following orders from Corporate does not mean you have good management skills, any moran can do that.
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>> posted by ex employee on 12/7/2009 11:00:54 AM
I suggest everyone look up menards on the Better Business Bureau website. www.bbb.org/wisconsin then type in menard. They got a perfect F rating which i would think would be a total embaressment to any company. I think that itself makes a statement. However with the number of unresolved compaints filed to the Better Business Bureau it apears menards brushes off the goverment as easily as they do as a customer at a store trying to exchange a defective piece of junk tape measure. 437 compaints filed to the Better Business Bureau within the last 36 months. Perhaps this is just a reflection of the original story listed here and coments. Just for comparison Wal mart which is a much bigger company has an A+ rating and only 196 complaints within the last 36 months. To me A+ rating and 196 compaints within 36 months for 2500 locations within the united states is alot better then F rating and 437 complaints within the last 36 months for a business with under 200 stores.
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>> posted by proud consumer on 12/8/2009 10:24:13 PM
F rating by the better business bureau??? thats the funniest thing I heard this whole decade (and theres only a few weeks left). That truly shows what John menard cares about his reputation and customer service. If corperate office wont reply to a goverment service then I can see how the pubic feels like their talking to a wall when dealing with any issue reguarding menards crappy products. The scarriest part of an F rating to me is not only is it unheard of and should be competle embaresment to any company but we all know an F covers 69% all the way down to 0% so who knows how far below the d- cut off point menards is rated. But then again its not like they care.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 12/9/2009 12:16:07 AM
"BBB assigns grades from A to F with pluses and minuses. A+ is the highest grade and F is the lowest. The grade represents BBB’s degree of confidence that the business is operating in a trustworthy manner and will make a good faith effort to resolve any customer concerns."- www.bbb.org/business-reviews/ratings/
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>> posted by Dark Horse on 12/10/2009 2:45:11 AM
I can't believe people are still actively posting comments here. I read this article in the magazine when it first came out and I can't say that I was surprised to read about John's negative character traits. Typically, business driven people are successful, but they don't make a lot of friends along the way.

The business practices of people like John Menard and Sam Walton, among others, are unethical, immoral and sometimes downright evil. Unfortunately the average American consumer would rather save a few cents than support a company that sells quality merchandise and treats their staff with dignity while paying them a fair wage.

Personally, I don't shop at any of the big box stores anymore. I find them to be terribly understaffed and on the rare occasion an associate can actually be found, they're generally clueless. I've learned to go to places like True Value, Fleet Farm, local nurseries, etc for my home improvement and gardening needs. I may have to pay a bit more, but I only have to buy the item once and I usually get advice from people who know what they're talking about.

John Menard and his ilk are more concerned with making money than making their customers happy. I guess no one ever told them that money doesn't buy happines. People will become fed up with this eventually, hopefully the smaller places will still be around .
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>> posted by mayor on 12/19/2009 5:59:36 PM
AJ,MD,Ramiro and all of Menards little puppets I miss you guys. You gave me such a sense of joy when I used to antagonize all of you. I guess it's like they say all good things must come to an end. From the sounds of the recent posts nothing has changed and things may be getting worse as far as the ethical treatment of employees.
To the rank and file workers of Menards I'd like to wish you all a Merry Christmas!
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>> posted by MD on 12/22/2009 7:40:07 AM
Oh yah, things are tough here at Menards. It's always tough to see that our competition can't meet the needs of the changing economy. Tough to see their sales down and them laying off people and not meeting their yearly expectations on the stock market. And yet amidst all this "doom and gloom" posted here, Menards is plenty above last years sales, which was above the previous and so on and so on.......


So regardless of what you or I think of the Menards way of life, it works. There's alot of folks who will have a Christmas this year thanks to the continued employment Menards offers it's team members.

Merry Christmas all! I hope your New Year is fantastic. As it will be at Menards... AGAIN!
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>> posted by john q public on 12/22/2009 4:31:47 PM
Statistics show 90% of all christmas gifts bought from menards are either regifted the following year or remain in someones basement for 10 years new in package. They sell so much crap imported from china that breaks right away. What good is exchaging the item if the replacment breaks too. Tool shop, masterforce, and other off brand junk doesnt do anyone any good. Menards is the Aldi's of the hardware business I still have yet to ever see a man with a red kettle and bell collecting money for the salvation army outside menards.............. oh wait thats against company policy since the money does not go to john menards wallet but goes to that god aweful word known as charity instead. Every other big store supports local charities, schools, fundraisers and the city in general. Menards will never donate anything. Menards however is a great place to work if you have no balls and dont mind being treated like a dog on a leash.
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>> posted by Santa Claus on 12/22/2009 4:45:36 PM
Last year i tried saving big money buy buying chritmas gifts from menards instead of having my trusty elves do the work. I loaded up on the generic boards games, and horse heads that were pressed on to sticks but never stayed on, ton of crayola stuff that was popular 5 years ago that menards bought in bulk but no one wanted and christmas ornaments that broke if you look at them. What scared me however was hearing all these toys made in china contained lead paint and very dangerous to all the little kids out there. I also felt very cheap as if i was regifting. So i loaded up my trusty sled with the junk to return to the store. I learned the hard way being cheap always costs more in the long run. This year my precious childen will be taken care of with real gifts made by people who care.
Merry christmas to all and to all a good night
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>> posted by No Love For menard on 12/23/2009 1:56:10 AM
MD remains retarded w/ no friends
Mayor you are right on!
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>> posted by mayor on 12/26/2009 10:05:23 AM
Md it was so nice to hear from you.I somehow knew it wouldn't take much to lure you out of your little rathole. Oh sure Menards can survive this economy on the backs of the underpaid. I'm sure the team members appreciate being able to eat. Paying their healthcare, car insurance, utilities, mortgages, childrens' education and retirement savings are another story. I guess that's what multiple income families are for. Wonder if Menards has explored that untapped resource. Imagine 16 year old workers with work permits that you don't even have to pay minimum wage and two years later fire them for incompetance. It could be a revolving door. The Walmart example of carrying life insurance policies on it's employees with Walmart being the beneficiary was brilliant. Menards could try something similar! These "associates" could prove more valuable than just strong backs and smiling faces. How about employee housing and transportation there is tons of money that could be had providing these services to the workers.A sort of Fascistcapitalism with John as "Il Duce".And with Menards knowlege of contracts an employee could legally be an indentured slave.Once again they would be so happy to eat they would gladly kiss your and Johns' feet.Imagine the feeling of power you entitled ones would enjoy.
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>> posted by concerned menard worker on 12/26/2009 5:33:45 PM
HALLELUJAH!!!!!!! Xmas is over....which means the damned ice chest,unheated garden center is closed until spring....which will probably be mid-March..........GOOD LORD!!!!!!
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>> posted by Dark Horse on 1/4/2010 5:53:02 AM
Just had to add this quick comment. A friend of mine recently bought a hollow-core interior door for their home from Menards. I had told him to go to the True Value up the road from our neighborhood, but he said the doors at Menards were only $50 as opposed to $79 at True Value. Lo and behold, he got the door home only to find it is a complete piece of garbage. First off, it's not cut straight, secodly, the included hardware doesn't fit because the precut holes don't line up, thirdly, it said it was made of wood on the box, but it's more like a very thin layer of wood-like substance. After he cut and sanded the door to fit the hardware he found it wouldn't line up with the door frame it came with. As he was trying to shimmy ther door up so he coud attach the hinges to the frame he punched a hole through it with his THUMB! He threw the door back in his truck and went to try to return it. He came back an hour later saying the ***** at Menards wouldn't take it back or exchange it. He chopped iit up for firewood and went to True Value. He now has a perfectly great door that took about 30 minutes to shim and hang and everything fit perfectly. Too bad he didn't liisten to me in the first place, he could've spent $80 instead of $130 and saved himself a lot of aggrivation as well! Save Big Money At Menards by staying the hell away from it!!
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>> posted by Delivery Driver on 1/11/2010 3:43:30 PM
Bingo! I don't know why they had me buy a boom truck when a gargage truck would have been better suited. Stay away from MENARDS! You are gambling with your money in "hopes" of saving a few bucks! At a casino, if you lose, do you get your money back?
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>> posted by Delivery Driver on 1/11/2010 3:47:28 PM
This company does suck! A perfect F! Look at all these comments to prove it! Who cares what a couple of lovers say when so many people hate Menards! Give me my tweny grand and I will still hate you!

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>> posted by Menard worker on 1/11/2010 10:15:41 PM
Menards is opening 21 stores in 2011 creating 3150 jobs in just the store level not to mention all the DC jobs that they will need to fill to service all these new stores....But Menards sucks? BTW next month John will be giving back hundreds of millions of dollars to all of his employees....But Menards sucks? Before you go jumping the horn do some research see what the man really does.
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>> posted by ex woker on 1/12/2010 7:00:30 AM
Giving back hundreds of millions of dollars?? more like he uses IPS as a way to offset the incredible 10 cent a raise every 6 months. The real reason for IPS is so john can personaly collect intrest on the money which im sure is far short of hundreds of millons of dollars over the year. He short changes employees by low pay then hopes 2% of their yearly income as a bonus will offset that. but guess who gets the intrest on the 2% over the year its held. At 5% APR intrest adds up im sure for john menard. And guess what if the employee quits or they snip enough of the employees hours to under 1000 hours for the year then the employee gets $0 for the ISP and the house wins the jackpot. The bottom line is the percent of profit john menard takes for himself is far greater then all the employees put together. Menards is a great place to work if you have absolutly no balls, dont mind giving up your friends and family so your job is the only event in your life, have a list 0f 500 company policies and procedures that make you feel like they need to babysit you and trust you as much as someone convicted of felony theft. Menards woker have fun putting together your junky patio sets this week and all the other POS stuff menards sells.
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>> posted by Delivery Driver on 1/12/2010 11:29:44 PM
Yes, I meant what I said. I did work for the man, about $20,000 dollars worth, that he didn't pay me for. I hear this happens a lot around Menards, and it's also illegal. Why do you think you're so badass working there? What you said actually is right. "Giving back" to people who worked for him. Not a reward by any means I know of. And how many people won't "get back"? I sure as hell didn't, except my story is different than those who didn't get a wimpy little check at the end of the year! I spent over $15,000 to make the $20,000 that he owes me! Piss off loser!
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>> posted by hi on 1/12/2010 11:42:56 PM
He is a loser for taking money from people that his company did nothing to earn. If they earned it, then they would have their own damn trucks and employees to move cargo. People are paying to have materials delivered, in which the money should be turned over to pay the subcontracted company who is hauling material to these customers. As soon as these dollars are secured in Menards' posession, subcontractors are to be paid in full. Anything else would be illegal. It's the damn law!
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>> posted by ex team member on 1/13/2010 12:31:11 AM
Also its imporant to note that if anyone works for a company and menards wants to hire you to do work avoid it at all cost. For the cleaning crew they hire you are required to buy specific produts from them to preform your job and then when your not at the store, employees use your produts that are in the cleaning room thinking their for store use and you get to buy them all over again. Any construction work is a huge scam as not only will they compare your bid to fake ones but they will try to pay you with in store credit only. Again all you are required to buy specific materials and tools off the store shelves. Snowplow menards parking lots??? guess where your buying your salt and shovels. Under the menards rules and policies that can be found at the stores intranet it states store management are to refuse to sign any contract a contractor may have and the contractor must sign the prewriten menards contracts including the forever payment method. This way they have you by the balls. All this junk and more reflect why menards was rated a perfect F by the better business bureau and why this forum is very active 3 years after the article was printed.
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>> posted by el oh el on 1/13/2010 8:37:20 AM
btw IPS starts at 2.5% then goes to 5-7.5-10-12.5 and finally 15% If you can find a bank that will give and interest rate of 15% please share im sure alot of us would like to know.
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>> posted by Truth on 1/13/2010 4:23:44 PM
el oh el, you don't get it. John under pays everyone by 15% during the year and then gives it back to them as instant profit sharing. It's really deferred wages. True profit sharing should vary every year, because actual profits vary each year. A fixed percentage payment is not profit sharing. Ask someone who was around in the 80's who received a one time payment from John. He had a true profit sharing program in place, but saw how expensive it was. He paid everyone off, and them came up with IPS instead because it was a lower, fixed amount. He didn't want everyone's salaries to increase by the same percentage as company profits. Have you ever read about companies who started off years ago by giving the employees a pieces of the pie, and now have janitors that are worth millions? John didn't want this to happen. This was his company and he was going to keep as much of it as possible.

In general, when companies spend so much time telling you how great something is, there's really more to the story.

Good grief......wake up.
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>> posted by Adam on 1/14/2010 5:59:41 AM
8.25 an hour, 2000 hrs = 16500 annual salary before taxes. Even if you were already at the max 15%, you would still be making under 19,000. So then add ten years of whatever annual raises you guys pull in, what is it, 20 cents? I get $23,575 for an annual salary, before taxes! Imagine the cost of living by then. I really don't see how all you can think a whatever fricken percentage IPS check is just unbelievably amaizing. If you say something like "whatever, I already make over nine dollars" then ask the next person you see if they can slap you. And for next christmas, John just might send a cheap fan you can put in front of you so you can REALLY feel like you're moving forward! I feel for the people who work there that have their wits together.
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>> posted by ex employee on 1/14/2010 7:41:47 PM
wait adam you forgot to ad in the gifts john menards sends employees on holidays. stuff like deck of cards with menards logo on the back for haloween or cheap calender you get from the bank anyways for new years or bright yellow t shirt that says menards in huge print for easter. Basicly stuff that dollar tree type stores wouldnt even bother selling and the shipping cost outweight the value of the item. So dont forget to ad $9 to your total for a year. like i said menards is a great place to work if you have no friends, no family, no hobby, and most imporant no balls
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>> posted by Roger on 1/24/2010 2:49:47 AM
3150 jobs added that keep people below the poverty level. Exactly who are you going to support on $10 an hour? Jobs like that don't help the economy, they push the poverty level to lower lows. Any dummy who took Economics in High School knows that.
P.s. I get profit sharing at my job, it's based on years of service, hours you worked the previous year and the profits the company made. Last year I only got $1200 because of the crummy economy, 2 years ago I recieved nearly $6000.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 1/24/2010 11:18:17 AM
7 months and still no payment from Menard.
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>> posted by delivery driver on 1/24/2010 11:40:17 AM
If you are an employee at Menards, imagine not getting paid for one whole year of work you did there. Imagine waiting for a check and explaining to creditors that Menards is what it is. What would you do? Imagine all those people they don't pay that build the stores, plow their snow, and haul their loads. What does Menards do with all that money? Is that why John is so rich? What if we were all abled to take from him like he takes from others? Who would win then? Would he be willing and able to fight everyone? I want to come up with one paragraph that sums it all up, for quick and easy reading, and post all over the place. What could they do, Sue me? haha throw me in jail? Look at all the stuff Menard gets away with and no jail time. Maybe so many people believe that money does make you God, and end up damning themselves.
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>> posted by El ooohhhh El on 2/6/2010 3:06:33 AM
Roger-Good idea lets keep paying those welfare checks out! Menards promotes within, I worked hard and went from being that part-time team member in millwork to now a Dept. Manager in 20 months. Anyone with common sense (hard to come by on these boards) and a will to live a better life can do so with Menards.
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>> posted by A BOMB on 2/7/2010 12:48:50 PM
You don't climb the ladder by doing anything but kissing butt. Crybabies everywhere at menards. You are nothing but another "at will" employee, with hardly competitive pay. Untrained, dumber than nails and heartless.
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>> posted by Well oh well on 2/7/2010 1:03:46 PM
It seems that Menards opens up jobs to those who would otherwise be on welfare. Not exactly impressive qualifications. Call and talk to a department manager (or higher even), you will see. Someone in the chain either quit or was terminated and you just happened to fill a spot, so what? You managed to work at Menards for twenty months, good for you.
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>> posted by mr team member on 2/8/2010 1:45:00 PM
Recently the HR person and store management had a "great" idea to support the people in need in Haiti. They passed around a piece of paper asking store employees to sign. The idea was each of us would donate $10 from our paycheck and pool the money together for roughly $1000. Then that money would be used to buy grocery and personal hygiene items from the grocery department at the store and then use the menards truck to deliver the items to a local donation site. I have heard about these type of situations many times before in the monthly magazine menards mails to their employees.

What it boils down to is the other employees and myself have $10 taken from our paycheck and that $1000 basicly goes back to the house since its used to buy products at the store a huge win having payroll money returned back to john menards wallet, but wait folks theres more. Then the products the employees buy with their money are delivered in a truck with huge menards logos and the menards name gets plastered all over the media providing massive advertising that not only is free but at our expense but yet menards takes the credit.

When the HR employee came up to me and said "hey were collecting money to donate to haite should i sign you up too" I explained my concerns to the young lady and also asked her how much money corperate is donating. She gave me a black stare and just said if you want to be that way thats fine. I told her if i want to donate money to charity or people in need (which i do every year) I will do it on my own time and to my own credit but im not about to provide menards with free advertising and the impression they donated produts when realy its at my cost.
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>> posted by Former Menard Tard on 2/8/2010 2:44:33 PM
I worked as a part time team member for about 20 months as well, and what I have observed is that in this economy the only thing Menards is good for is a paycheck and that’s only if you have the strength of character to deal with spineless, no-talent, micro-managing GMs /AGM’s on a daily basis. It saddens me to read posts such as the one submitted by El ooohhhh El. I hope that someday soon people like El ooohhhh El will wake up and realize that there are no CAREERS at Menards unless your last name is Menard. The few people that I have encountered within the organization that could claim to have an actual CAREER with the company owe their CAREERS to 2 things: Gobbling C*** at the GO level, and throwing fellow team members and subordinates under the bus at the store level. Honestly, Menards is the last refuge for people that should be digging ditches for a living. I know that this may sound counterintuitive to those of you with stars in your eyes over how wonderful a place Menards is to work for, but don’t say you weren’t warned when you find yourself being used, abused, and tossed aside before the ink has dried on your GED or Jr. College diploma. I suggest that you all look at Menards and see the company for what it is a place that provides a meager paycheck while you search for employment with a reputable company.
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>> posted by john menard on 2/8/2010 5:58:15 PM
Mr former menard tard of couse menards is a reputable company.......... why else would they be given an F rating by the better business bureau
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 2/9/2010 10:12:04 AM
I find it amazing that almost 3 years later this article still gets posted comments. I have not commented for a lomg time. Lost both my parents within about a year, was pretty busy with that and other family things. Thank you again, John Menard for allowing me to be part of your company for 22 years. It enabled me to provide for my most successful family. It seems only yesterday that my oldest daughter was a cashier at Rochester Menards. She is now a Physician at Mayo Clinic Rochester. She enrolled at U of M in yet another Executive Program to obtain another Degree for future advancement at Mayo. My second oldest daughter now has her PhD in Chemistry and is doing Post Doctorial Research at U of M. My third oldest is in Dental School at U of M and will soon be the best Dentist ever. My youngest son is on good road to recovery from three years of health issues and recently completed his first semester of college, making the Dean's List. These accomplishments came to be from a lot of hard work, great work ethic, dedication to educational goals, and a lot of personal sacrifice along the way, from all family menbers.

A lot of negative things have been expressed in comments posted on this article. I myself do not have anything negative to post. Working for John Menard contibuted to the success of my family. John Menards F rating company employs thousands of people, a lot of hard working people. Granted there are morons in the mix. They end up falling by the wayside by their own doings and end up complaining about how bad Menards is. Thats OK, it enables them to go some where else and become some other employers problems. Until another time, continue to shop at Menards and save big money. That is where I am headed, to purchase replacement windshield wipers and perhaps some cans of
Progresso Soup. Menards prices are lower then anywhere elses prices in town. I might even purchase some ice melt and softener salt for less money then even at Wal-Mart. Last time I was at Menards and Wal-Mart I encountered two Mayo Clinic Doctors, one was a Surgeon, the other was an Oncologist. Interesting that they were both saving big money at Menards, HUH?

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>> posted by embaresed to be member of the team on 2/9/2010 3:33:36 PM
Im not sure the connection between hearing about your family accomplishments and this article. Other then perhaps the oldest daughter learning anger management skills from dealing with rude and intimidating management? The bottom line is you always get what you pay for. You can buy windshield wipers for 99 cents after $4.00 rebate (rebate in store cedit form only) and have the wiper blades tear the first snow and ice strom. Or you can buy real wiper blades that will last seasons from any big store, hardware store or dealer for roughly the same price. you can also buy "mr salty" brand ice melt imported from china for 10 cents less then name brand products at other stores but guess what you need to use twice as much of the generic stuff to make it effective. You can buy enchated forest (menards generic brand christmas lights) for 30 cents less then brand names but they dont last as long and menards is very stingy at end of season christmas prices with majority of the items being placed on palets for the next season. Bottom line is menards is the yugo or kia of retail stores and proud of it. I have yet to see any menards product being considered elegent or status symbol. the craftman name has been around decades and well respected for a house brand but no contracter would even allow a tool shop product on the job site. So Ramiro next time you see your buddy John Menard make sure your fly is open you can contiue getting your employee benifits
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>> posted by Menard Proud on 2/9/2010 6:57:03 PM
Love my job. Make good money. Don't be a lazy worker and you'll be treated just fine.
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>> posted by Adam on 2/10/2010 9:13:49 AM
Ramiro you say that these complainers are morons who ask for a lashing and got it. But, why are there so many? In comparison, Menards is stand-alone. A whole herd of morons and losers just happened to stroll in for jobs. Can you explain why the BBB has rated Menards with their F? Is that too because of moron employees? I think not. If they are so aweful, a solution would be in place by now if y'all knew how to manage. The problem is not them, it's you. You were trained to look at them that way. Not just you, but several. Other companies standardize in valueing their employees, and in turn they are rewarded.

My aunt lives in Louisiana. She always was a nice aunt. One day she contacted a friend of hers who had just flown back from Southern France. Her friend informed her that there were a lot of people on her flight and that she could not make haste while boarding due to the fact that there were a lot of people to board. During her flight back, there was one or two morons on board that were standing up when the seat-belt light was illuminated. The aircraft suddenly became unstable and rolled slightly, almost unnoticeably, left. This caused the airplane to land at the wrong airport and a lot of people were unhappy about that. While refunds were not granted, free air miles were being awarded to these folks for their troubles. This was upseting news to the people as they did not want to bother flying with that particular airline again. They reported this to the press, who in turn broadcasted to the nation. I guess that airline has a bad name now because of two or three morons standing up when they should not have. A small group is claiming that there are instruments in the pilots cabin that could have prevented this mis-hap, thought this has not yet been confirmed. Her arrival back in the states meant that life would soon return to normal. She has two cars and a van.

Ramiro, even though my story is trying to prove a point to you, it sounds a little bogus, does it not?

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>> posted by Truth on 2/13/2010 9:18:38 AM
Why didn't any of Ramiro's kids choose Menards as a career path? He couldn't say enough good things about it to everyone else, yet no one in his family would ever consider Menards for a career. I bet they know the truth.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 2/16/2010 11:41:00 AM
To embarrassed to be member of team, so I take it you are currently employed by Menard Inc? Your points are well taken. Menards sells crap, in your opinion, interesting that the crap keeps filling up carts and the registers keep taking in the cash which makes your payroll check and thousands of other payroll checks possible. Even after greedy John Menard takes his cut there is still profit dollars left that enable yet more expansion, thus employing even more of the unemployed. By the way, the crap that I purchased is just fine and from doing comparison shopping I did save big money at Menards. If you are in fact employed at Menard Inc and obviously fit in the moron category, why not just quit employment somewhere else? Perhaps Home Depot would be a good place to work, perhaps they sell better quality but they continue to close up stores, interesting.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 2/16/2010 12:21:33 PM
In response to Adams posting, does my reference to some employees at Menads as morons offend you? Not all of Menards employees are morons, but yes, some management people also fit that category. Definition of moron, is someone that is stupid. Definition of stupid is lacking in intelligence. Morons practice stupid and it ends up costing them their jobs and then they express how bad Menard Inc was as an employer. I encountered store managers at Menard Inc that were morons. They also no longer work at Menards and they seem to end up being the biggest complainers. There are so many interesting cases I encountered while employed at Menard Inc, including people whose employment got terminated for comoany theft. There could not be a better example of a true moron.

Interesting story about the plane landing at wrong airport. I do not find your story bogus at all. I experienced such a thing myself. Several years ago, pre 9/11 incident, I was on a chartered private jet from Executive Jet(?) based out of Mpls it is based out of FBO across from Humphery Terminal. The company was a cabinet mfg with a facility in Indiana. It was cloudy with low ceiling, we came out of the clouds on final approach, taxied toward terminal to be surrounded by military personnel with weapons drawn! The moron pilots screwed up big time. They landed by mistake at a military base instead of the FBO we were to land at several miles away. Armed soldiers boarded the plane. The plane was searched including our briefcases and radioed back to tower that were determined not to be hostile. The pilots were taken away for questioning. They finally returned and we were cleared for takeoff we arrived at our destination more then an hour later then planned. The next day there was a huge basket of fruit with deepest apology at my house in Rochester, Mn.,. True story, had nothing to do with morons standing up during flight and throwing plane off course. The moron pilots got grounded, perhaps lost their licenses? It was a bit ironic that this cabinet mfg used to be a cabinet vendor of Menard Inc and Lowe's. They are no longer in business.



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>> posted by Ramiro Dienes on 2/16/2010 4:12:28 PM
In response to posting by Truth, there would not have been any problem with any of my daughters choosing Menards for a career, save for the fact that Menards environment is not conducive to their formal education. My daughters all pursued and attained undergraduate degrees, all of their college diplomas are with double majors in Chemistry and Biology. After 4 or 5 years of further graduate schooling, their areas of expertise are not a good fit for Menards or any other retailers work environment. That does not mean they do not know the truth, as you put it, about Menards. My oldest & youngest daughters, especially. There were numerous times when they helped prepare pictured reports and audits from my visits to Menard stores, that were sent to John Menard. It happened when we sometimes took trips to visit family. I would dictate while driving as to what to write on reports with attached photos, photos because pictures do not lie. They would often comment on how it was hard to believe that some people could do such stupid things. I will admit I have never openly given them reason to have or express negative feelings about Menards. I do know they have no reservation about shopping at Menards.

My oldest had a new home built. She has had many compliments on her beautiful new home. About 95% of materials used in construction of this home came from Rochester Menards North. My daughter spent a lot of time researching material costs. She put together very detailed spread sheets showing pricing from all possible suppliers, including, Home Depot and all other lumber yards in area. She Saved Big Money by using Menards as main supply source. The sub-contractors were all instructed to use Menards materials, as much as possible. My other daughters have not yet built new homes but they do shop a lot at Menards as well.

About 3 or 4 years ago now, to my surprise I received a note from John Menard asking to again pass on his thanks for the wonderful care he received from one of his Doctors while he was hospitialized at Rochester Mayo with some health issues. To pass on his thanks to my daughter who happened to be one of his Doctors. I had absolutely no knowledge of this. My daughter NEVER discusses any of her patients. I do not expect her to nor do I ask her to it has to do with an oath she took when she became a Doctor. If anyone wishes to express negative about this having happened. It definitely qualifies you to fall into the moron category. Mr Truth, my daughters are highly educated do not condem them for all their hard work. They do also know more about Menards then most people, that have read all the negative postings from this article in the past three years. This is long already and I do not have time today but I will perhaps elaborate at an other time about a very negative experience I had with Menard Inc,. It has to do with Ed Archibald whom I understand is back at Menard Inc., after having gotten fired by John Menard himself some years ago. Ed Archibald is a higher management individual at Menard Inc that definitely fits in the MORON category. No one screws with any member of my family. I no longer have any respect for Ed Archibald.



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>> posted by Adam on 2/19/2010 3:49:20 PM
That's funny! Like seeing you with a hot chick!
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>> posted by Electra on 2/20/2010 4:08:03 AM
Ramiro, I know you're retired and your family has deserted you (I bet your parents were happy to kick the bucket just to get the hell away from you!) and so you're probably feeling lonely, but PLEASE spare us your pointless rambling and Menard ass kissing. We get it, you love John Menard, you want to have his babies, you shop at Menards and save big money. Woo hoo for you! Now shut up already, for Christ's sake! You've made like 47 posts on here! Don't you see how pathetic you are defending this crappy company that doesn't give a rat's rear about you anymore? Go out and get a life or do the world a favor and kill yourself! But above all stop boring everyone to tears with your inane b.s.!
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>> posted by Electra on 2/20/2010 4:18:59 AM
Also, Ramiro, your story about your chartered plane landing at a military base is a total lie. My brother is a pilot for Midwest Airlines and when I asked him about it yesterday he laughed for about 5 minutes before saying, "What a crock of S**T!!" Does it make you feel better about yourself to call people MORONS? If someone screws up that doesn't make them a moron, people make mistakes. Not everyone is perfect like you and John Menard.
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>> posted by my on 2/20/2010 1:16:43 PM
Ramiro, I do agree that people shouldn't be talking negatively about your family. However, do you realize that every time you say something negatively about a worker at Menards or someone on this site, you are doing the same thing? We all have family, and maybe they are reading this as well. Church means nothing if you are only going to aquire an image. You mention, very lightly, your son. Anyone is capable of doing a little research. I had a rough childhood being raised by parents that I often felt did not love me. I ran away on different occasions for no other reason than feeling hurt. I learned a lot from my experiences, as I'm confident your son has too. The most important thing in life is family. It is not what you do, or how much you make. I am happy for you that your offspring are so succesfull. But, if you raised them to believe that image, wealth and power are the most important matters in life, then that is a shame.

This article was written for obvious reasons. I was a hauler for Menards and was abused by the company. My contract offered no barrier to that, and negative consequences were the result of my efforts in making my own career with this company. Just because you were the "perfect man" for your job serving Menard, does not make you a better man.

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>> posted by AJ on 2/20/2010 4:27:46 PM
I haven't gone anywhere. I just continue to read the new comments about how bad Menards is, and just laugh. I don't see the need to comment anymore, because people have a right to their comments, negative or positive. I have been with Menards for quite some time now and I believe that I won't find a better job out there! Menards is and always will be a great place to work for. Stop wasting time complaining and do your job.
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>> posted by my on 2/21/2010 6:45:49 PM
My job isn't at Menards, thankfully. Your job doesn't involve wasting time on here either, does it? It is even more fun reading comments from those who actually like Menards. The few and the proud, right?
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 2/22/2010 9:52:12 AM
Electra...I see your latest postings were done at about 4 A.M., do you have a night job, or are you so unhappy that you cannot sleep normal hours? Hard to tell from your deguised name are you male, female, thought perhaps your comments had to do with PMS? Your rudeness about my parents who were very honorable people is unneccessary but you are entitiled to freedom of speech, or print in this case. It does demonstrate to anyone reading this, your moron characteristics. You either got fired from Menards for demonstarting such characteristics or are still employed at Menards & are truely unhappy? Personally, I enjoyed my employment at Menards & did the job I was compensated to do, which was reporting directly to the owner of an 'F' rated company that employs in the neighborhood of what, 60,000 people? I reported both good & bad things about what I encountered on my store visits & travels. Majority of people commenting on to this continued saga, seem to be unhappy morons that lost their jobs because of their actions or lack of good work ethic. It does not matter if I'm not appreciated by this 'F' rated company the experience of it all was worth it. By the way, my family has not desserted me. We are a close family, we all get together quite often. We all get together for major Holidays and many other occasions. Most recently we all attended a snow tubing event with about 30 Mayo Clinic Doctors & their families, spent a weekend at a nice motel in Twin Cites with a water park, especially so the grandkids could enjoy it, went to a Red Robbin for dinner one evening, just this weekend got together for a bowling party get together & had dinner at Old Country Buffet. So you see I see no reason, nor have any intentions of taking my life. I am actually very happy and satisfied with my life. Do you want to talk smack about all that, go ahead it will further show your mentality, or lack of it.

Oh and by the way, the posting about the chartered jet landing at a military field by mistake is totally true. The flight was scheduled to an FBO(Fixed Base of Operation) in Kokomo, Indiana. We were headed to a manufacturing facilty for Cannon Vally Woodworks. I believe the airfield was perhap named Grisom, or something like that. Have your irplane pilot check it out when he is on downtime I am sure it could all be found on the wonderful internet. It does seem impossible but perhaps the MORON pilots plugged in the wrong coordinates into their airplane computer. Just think ELECTRA, the plane could have been blown out of the sky by F16's with me in it! If it is truely that important to you I am sure documentation could be found to varify this incident.

You are correct, MORONS, can make mistakes & sometimes deserve second chances. However some blatant moron characteristics cannot be tolerated, even at an 'F' rated company, or place of employment. I hope I have answered or clarified some of your concerns about my postings. By the way did I ever post about one of my most fun & enjoyable exoeriences while working for John Menard. It was being invited to his home for a fund raising event when George W & Vice-President Dan Q were up for re-election. It was an awesome private affair, when was the last time you attended such an event? Remind me to do a posting on it it was interesting! I even have a photo of me shaking the Vice-Presidents hand. Have a great day Electra. I am off to save more big money at Menards Rochester!
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>> posted by team member on 2/24/2010 1:22:39 AM
Ramiro I hate to be he bearer of bad news but no matter how many paragraphs of absolutly irevelant nonsense you ramble on about, it in no ways justifys a single complaint or concern anyone has posted on this forum. Also no does your nonsense justify the concerns and facts in the original article that 3 years laters has new viewers everyday. Im so happy you enjoy unloading your wallet on POS tape measures that are "free" after rebate but only after you pay for it upfront along with $10 other items then perhaps 3 months from now will recieve the rebate in form of in store credit only. And most likly 3 months from now that tape measure is either in a landfill or new in box sitting in your basement for another 10 years if your a sucker for the impusle buyer method menards depends on. I have posted many times on here and one more warning to the public. On higher priced items such as snowblowers, grills, appliances, doors, outdoor furniture and, powertools you will see on the price tags it will say in huge print "only $6 per month on your menards big card" but guess what if the item $300 then after the first month payment of $6 your paying intrest of rougly 24% if your credit score is in the 750 area. Trust me if your paying 24% APR intrest with daily compound on the remaing $294 your going to be paying for it until your 6 feet under. I bought this up at a recent store meeting how i felt this was misleading and the manager first played dumb saying i wasnt true. but after explaing at a 2nd grade level how math works and co workers backing me up the manager said for me to basicly mind my own business and just follow the rules of the company. Employes are trained to mislead people. Go to any menards store and no employee will never tell you that rebates are in store credit only or that the monthly adertised payment for a big card will bankrupt you in intrsest if you follow the sign unless you ask the person specificly. This is yet another fraud to mislead the general public and reflects the original article, the f rating by the better business bureau and the coments by people on here who are not suckers. In closing as menards employees know every holiday you get absolutly junk gifts from "john menard" Most of these items wouldnt even be sold at a dollar store and majority of mine went staight to the thrift store. Best one of all was a menards bumper sticker saying " i saved big money" this would be the perfect item for you ramiro since it sounds like your one step shy of proposing to the big man
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 2/24/2010 9:07:37 AM
Team Member, with reference to your previous posting. You are absolutely correct, the rebates offered at Menards are Menards Merchandise Credit Checks. A LOT of people think they are the best thuing since sliced bread! I have personally have NEVER sent in for a rebate, too much hassle. A lot of people do, return to Menards plus spend other hard earned money on impulse items. Target years ago did away with rebates entirely professing that instead they would offer customers better prices each & everyday. It probably resulted in saving payroll by reassigning people involved with rebates to their sales floors?

With respect to the credit card gimmicks, most retailers do it as well. That may lose some of the marketing strategy with the credit card laws that were put into effect yesterday, nationwide? A lot of retailers, including Menards use all the legal gimmicks possible. The State of Illinois is one of the strictest in the nation for watching out for the consumer, if the gimmicks are allowed in Ill., they pretty much are legal in any other state. Are you aware that Menards does not carry their own paper when it comes to their credit cards? I believe they are still associated by one of the biggest financials in the US I am still they stay above the laws, at least until they get caught pulling crap.

As for the junk gifts, that program is still going on? I always found in my travels that a lot of Menard employees appreciated them. If you do not appreciate any 'of it', and you are truelly unhappy with it all at Menards? Perhaps you should seek employment elsewhere. I was at both Menards Rochester South & Home Depot yesterday at about 10 A.M.,. There were about 40 customer cars in customer parking lot, at Home Depot there were two, including mine. I did not purchase anything, just checked out their clearance areas but did not find anything worth saving money on. I did talk to a very good friend of mine at Home Depot who mentioned that she had written up a $22,000 sale on floor coverings material the previous day? Your comment are well taken, think about about it all when you receive your next payroll check.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 2/24/2010 9:59:30 AM
Posting by 'My' of 02/20/10, it is unfortunate you did not have a good experience as a hauler for Menards. There have been other such postings, from my experience a lot of the screwing & discontent results from store management. They would rather put the crap on their haulers, then have the balls to battle Menard management for what haulers have coming. I might also add that, personally I would not sign on and agree to be a hauler for Menards unless I truely read EVERY detail on haulers contract, and had it clarified by store management, who initiate it. Menards has company legal people that write up these contracts & make adjustments as issues come up. I would venture to guess that the hauler would not win an arguement in court, because it is probably covered in printed & signed agreement. That does not mean a hauler cannot be successful. It takes a lot of hard work & effort 24/7, without full backing from store management it will not be a good successful experience.

Thank you for your concern about family upbringing. I agree whole heartedly about nothing being more important then family. I told one of my daughters exactly what you bring up. I told her one day she was going to realize that money is not the most important thing in life. She felt she needed to check out a job position offer out of state with $400,000 annual compensation. Checked it out and accepted the position for a year. It enabled about a month long Europian adventure for her entire family, plus other luxuries. She fulfilled her contract and was offered even more when she gave notice. She left all that because she wanted to be back closer to family three close family members passed away during her absence. I have known a lot of wealthy people with issues & are not happy. I have also known a lot of people that are not rich, including myself, but have 'rich' family environments in many other ways. John Menard provides jobs for a lot of such families that are not unhappy. Best of luck in any future ventures, 'My'.
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>> posted by MY on 2/24/2010 5:58:33 PM
Ramiro, I am in my final week of training for NCCCO certification. I am striving to rebound as I would not let one company, that had so much disregard for myself and my family, try to see me out. My contract with Menards was clearly understood. I had an attorney point out the less-than-obvious, as I do not clearly understand the written law. I recommend anyone thinking of signing any contract do the same, it really clarifies things. However, my termination had nothing to do with contract. It was a result of an argument with Assistant Store Manager, Andy Smith, and he dropped the bomb on me. All it takes is a manager to tell Eau Claire that you quit, and it's all over for the hauler. You lose EVERYTHING. As far as contract points out regarding mandatory arbitration, my Chapter 7 terminated that. You seem like a decent guy, and I'm glad that you have had such heroin experiences with Menards, though it will always be a two sided battle. I would forget everything if I had only been compensated for what I lost, but my loss was cash in their pocket. I Cringe when people around me mention Menards, and what I experienced with them does not construe a misunderstanding.
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>> posted by Elektra on 2/24/2010 9:03:29 PM
F U Ramiro. Elektra IS my real name. My parents are from the former Yugoslavia. Is that ok with you? You talk about me being rude, I was mearly giving you a taste of your own medicine. You sit there calling everyone morons and you don't think that makes YOU rude??? Get off your high horse you delusional old loser. And yeah, I do work 3rd shift, I'm a nurse. I'm sure you'll have some rude a-hole comment about how 3rd shift nurses are morons or whatever, I don't care. I never worked at Mernards, I happened to do a search when I had the night off the other day and found this story. After reading through all the comments I felt pissed enough to tell you how it is. I'd bet my life that you'd NEVER have the balls to talk to people like this in real life. So go ahead, dole out your judgements behind the safety of your computer, just pray to God you never come through my ward when I'm on duty. This MORON my not have the energy to save your miserable, pathetic life.
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>> posted by adam on 3/3/2010 7:39:58 PM
Anyone getting sick of Menards yet? Any good stories out there? It is getting old scrolling down to the bottom of this everyday, is it not? There has to be a better way to share stories, or Milwaukee Mag needs to hit up Menards again. I don't think they really dug in that far, even though a person might think "what else could there possibly be to add?". Any Menards employees hate their job or been mis-handled in some way then get posting! Keep it alive!
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>> posted by adam on 3/3/2010 7:42:14 PM
I want to hear from other haulers too! I do not believe I'm the only one they have beaten the crap out of!
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 3/4/2010 10:26:55 AM
Hey Elektra, had no idea that was your real name. You are wrong, I do not have anything negative to say about you being a nurse or the nursing profession. It is a respectable and honorable profession. I have a lot of respect for nurses. My Mother was 84 when she died. The last 28 days of her life in a hospital before she was sent home to die. She died 5 days after being sent home. During the 28 days at St Marys Hospital in Rochester, Minnesota I feel she had the best care in the world from the best Nurses and Doctors. The five remaining days at a care facility about 3 or 4 minutes from her home she continued to get great care from nurses at care center. My Father was also 84 when he died. He reqested that he be allowed to die at home instead of in a hospital or care center. He had previously experienced both environments when he suffered a stroke six years before his death. There were a lot of nurses involved in his marked recovery from his stroke, that enabled him to get back on riding lawn mower, tend to his massive garden and do the things he loved to do.

He died at home peacefully under hospice care with some great nurses coming to his home to take care of daily. The last words he said to me two weeks prior to his death, was to ask how my son was doing from his mental health struggles and instructed me to not ever give up on my son. The only negative I have to say about you is your talking smack about my deceased parents and wishing/recommending that perhaps I should kill myself. Granted you are expressing freedom of speech or expression which is allowed in this wonderful country, but perhaps not in Yugoslavia. I would think it would reflect negatively on your profession, or with your peers should they happen to read this article. You also express that you may not have the energy to save my miserable, pathetic life. Interesting, since everyone that ends up in a hospital bed seems to all of a sudden be equal. It does not matter how rich, poor, good, bad or any other of life's characteristics they have displayed. I have always found everyone is treated equally.

Now it would not be right if I did not some how connect all this to Menards, like it or not. My parents did not own a home until age 65 when they moved into town from the their farm life. I helped them purchase their two story home and shortly after they moved into their home I built a huge addition onto it, so everything would be on one level. It was contructed with 100 per cent materials from Menards. My Father died in a hospital bed in the master bedroom of that addition. They loved their home. There was tons of material things in that home, especially in my Father's workshop, that was divided amongst family or sold. It was almost all entirely from Menards!

If it offends you or others, my referring to negative people at Menards as morons, so be it. To me it sounds better then stupid, both the same difference. From what I saw and experienced they brought it on themselves by their actions.
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>> posted by team member on 3/4/2010 12:49:04 PM
Give it up ramiro. I hate to be the one to rain on your parade however you must realize no matter how much you ramble on about absolute nonsense that is competly irrelevant in every way it will not justify any of the negitive coments or the original article.

What you are trying to as effective as hoping your lemonade stand will clear the national debt or hunting deer with a garden hose
sorry game over please try again
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 3/4/2010 3:53:22 PM
Team member, Im sorry you dont like me. However this reminds me last week i was walking my dog around the block and observed a crack in the neighbors driveway. I rang his doorbell and told him he should go to menards right away to save big money to repair the concrete before the damage was worse. I then saw a house for sale and thought to myself im planning to sell my house someday so i need to go to menards right now and buy a for sale sign so i can save big money. I then saw a puddle on the ground and confused where it came from until i realized it was snow melting. Tonight i plan to watch the news to see whats new in town and perhaps may go for a drive with my wife. Next week i plan to visit my grandchilden out of town.

I hope this explanation resolves and latest concerns over myself or john menard
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 3/4/2010 4:23:30 PM
Whomever posted previous posting using my name.....hope you are not employed by Menards & doing it on company time....if so, you are a true moron! Hey, by the way, I don't have to go out of town to visit my grandchildren since they live in town. I wonder if I could track you down through magazine website since you are posting things under my name?
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>> posted by Adam on 3/4/2010 8:05:55 PM
You really think that someone from Milwaukee Magazine is going to help you do that? I bet you would do anything in your power to do away with him like the savage ***** that you are. You ARE Menards. You are a ***** How many people have you waisted your time helping out in your life? All Menards related, am I correct? The problem with you, Ramiro, is you've been so deeply waisted away by that company that in the end you are going to leave this place a miserable old man, just like John. I truly believe you are doing everything you can to counter an attack against Menards and I am getting very annoyed by it. I don't care about how many morons work for Menards! Who cares about all of the money that you have saved by shopping there!!! Good evidence that your life really DOES revolve around cash. That's all you seem to talk about, and really if that is your best defense for them then get lost! Menards has pissed off too many people now, Ramiro. They will NOT get away with it for too much longer.
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>> reply posted by Adam on 3/4/2010 10:12:50 PM
Ramiro, I just wanted to share with you a conversation that I had with the Alexandria, MN store manager, Robyn Kartes. I told you about the argument I had been in with Assistant Manager, Andy? How they tried screwing a customer badly and telling me that no one needed to know, by using me to do it? And then he, or someone told Robyn that I quit??? Well, in the mean time while all this crap was going on, the delivery coordinator, Jamie, was scheduling me from loads for a few days to let both myself and Andy gather our composure. I told her to talk to Andy and have him call me when he cooled off. He was really, really mad.

Andy never called, nor did Jamie. I did, however contact Robyn. She was out on vacation when the ordeal broke out. I felt that I could get around the crap with Andy by talking to the General Manager. She knew nothing about it except for what she was told when she came back.

The conversation with Robyn went as follows. Bonehead ahswers: Contractor Sales this is ....., how may I help you? Me: Can I talk to Robyn, please? Bonehead: Just a sec. Robyn: Thank you for calling Menards, this is Robyn. How may I help you? Me: Robyn, this is Adam. I'm not sure what is going on between me and the store. Me and Andy got into it about the transfer for the Days Inn customer. I was scheduled off for a couple days till things cooled down and still haven't heard a thing about loads from anyone. Robyn: (PAUSE) When I got back from vacation I was told that you got mad and quit. You s... (I interrupt) Me: What?! Who in the he-ll told you that? I never said anything about "quiting". Who was it? I will come in and we'll talk about this right now! Robyn: (slight pause) I don't remember who told me that. ....I guess I just "assumed" you had quit. Me: Now what? I have to call Scott, or anyone and straighten this out? What is his number? Robyn: You don't need to call them. I will take care of it. Me: OK, you take care of it and call me back. I'm not sitting around here forever. DISCONNECTED.

So, what does Robyn do? Cover her asss. I get a letter in the mail, signed by none other than Robyn and dated the day after my conversation with her, stating: You are hereby terminated due to your stating that you will no longer haul loads for Menards. Is that not BS? They then "with hold" everything they owe me for damages on the company! Menards rocks, right?

Should the manager of the store have contacted me in some way to verify this, or have investigated this at all? I was there for four years. If coming back after a one week vacation to have this means nothing, then you're dealing with someone like Menards! It comes to my surprise that they can throw someone out due to rumor, or even a grudge. To protect both parties, it should be signed off by the hauler that he/she is resigning.

Pretty professional, Robyn. Andy, up yours.

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>> posted by Adam on 3/4/2010 10:17:45 PM
I was so pleased today. Someone in my class at crane school thought that Menards was a car dealership! I shared with them some of the experiences myself and others have had with Menards. It feels good to talk about it. I even shared a story with them about how my middle finger was pulled off because of a Menards employee beating the crap out of my truck while loading it. I wish I had noticed the damage "before" I ran that outrigger! My left hand was gripping the ladder to the catwalk while my right was operating the stabilizer controls. The drywall they loaded was pushed into the bulkhead, which pushed the catwalk and ladder assembly forward towards the outrigger beam. When the outrigger came out, it caught my nuckle and the rest was history. I spent nine weeks in a rediculous cast, and surviving on percocet. No benefits or insurance. Not only did I go massively into debt from this, I also was fined over two thousand dollars by Menards! It's not a fine that you just cut a check for, they take what they want and when they want from anything that they owe you. Menards can't do these things to people.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 3/5/2010 9:26:44 AM
Adam, according to how you explain it, your experience is horrible and should have NEVER happened. It goes back to what I stated in another posting. As I see it, it was the result of poor management at the Alexandria store that you mentioned. It goes back to what some readers do not like me to refer to as MORONS, stupid jerks, or how ever else they need to be referred to as. This was not a case of a direct Menard employee, and no I am not going to refer to them as Team Members. Plain & simple they are employees with titles that go to their heads. The only good part about it is, what goes around comes around they will eventually get their just reward. I am sure they were acting on home office company instruction but I am willing to bet they were not told the whole story. They just wanted to cover their back side. On the other hand after four years you say you contracted their deliveries, it was clearly that, 'contracted', and I am sure what all happened was covered in the fine print of contract. You certainly are entitled to take a vacation with family, friends, by yourself, whatever, and it should not be any of their business how the vacation was spent. But I am sure the contract that you signed clearly states that you are taking on the responsibility of seeing to Menards deliveries 24/7. It is responsibility of contract hauler to make sure that is done whether on vacation or not. Who filled in for you during your off time? I experienced at well run stores, with great management, that they worked with their contract hauler by politely telling customer hauler was on vacation and worked around it with the customer. If delvery could not wait they sometimes asked another store haulers help. Since Alexandria is kinda off by itself which would make that harder to accomplish. I am also clearly aware of the fine system, again that is clearly in signed contract or with vendors pretty much just understood. Taking it to court does not mean you are going to win. I know this is getting long but allow me two examples.

With vendors or suppliers, when I was one of company merchandise manager if a product was advertised and vendor did not ship in time to cover ad, they were assessed fines or dollar amounts deducted from invoice. They did not have a choice if they wanted to continue getting the thousands or millions of dollars in sale of their product(s). They were wrong they paid the price. In work agreement for Menard employees there is a clause about a 'deductible' which is taking directly from compensation for damage to company vehicles. I was a victom of that. Driving between Cedar Rapids and Waterloo Iowa, one day, I got caught in a hail storm. There was no time to make it to an underpass the company car got extensive hail damage. The next thing I know I get a payroll deduction form in intercompany mail to sign, authorizing a $100 or $150 deduction from my next payroll check for the hail damage. I sent a note to my supposed 'Buddy' John Menard telling him since it was an act of God, could the deduction be forgiven. NOPE! It would not be a good example to everyone else. Rules are rules, it was in my contract or work agreement that I signed. Is it a bad rule, in this case I thought it was not right, but on the other hand it does help prevent company vehicle abuse and promotes safer driving. Adam, good luck in your future endeavors, not to worry, somehow, someday the jerks that did not stand behind you will gets their just reward. Am I pissed about my personal situation, not really, but Menards Fleet Manager sure seemed to get his rocks off writing up the deduction. He thought it was pretty funny. lets just call it another morons sense of humor. Jon has been there for years and perhaps is still there he also has a job to do, so be it.
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>> posted by iceman on 3/7/2010 6:41:04 AM
ramiro one little thing. shut the heck up you boorish little whelp of a man. all you do is come on here and babble like a bloody idiot for far to long without saying anything meaningful at all. you never answer a question with a real answer, all you give is doubletalk and innuendo. for a guy who john menard seems to have forgotten about you sure do seem to have your nose planted firmly in his anus. perhaps it is because of you screwing all those people over for so many years by being a little sissy girl snitch that you started to think that that was the way that you should be treated, so when john screwed you and threw in salt afterwards you thought it was a sign of affection. you are a pathetic little bitter old man who has nothing better to do in his life than brag about bull**it and lies. GET A LIFE AND A BRAIN!!!!!!cya
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>> posted by not a menard fan on 3/7/2010 10:13:58 AM
Ramiro did make one point of value. When he mentioned he signed a piece of a paper stating he would have $150 deducted from his paycheck due to hail damage and he paid it with only slight hesitation after asking in a very polite way to have it forgiven it shows he has no balls. If i was in that situation where they charged me one red cent for hail damage which is completly beyond a humans control I would first ask if the truck has comprehensive insurance to make sure they dont try to double up on the situatuion. Then i would explain how there is no way i could of caused a hailstorm to occur and firmly refused to sign the paper and if the management got in my face i would tear the paper in half followed by snaping my nametag in half. I know the $150 fine he paid did not go to pay for body damage as im sure the damage was never fixed to the day the truck was sent to the junkyard. Instead guess what ramiro you paid for 6 free oil changes for the truck.

At a car dealer if there is a hail storm do you think the owner looks back at time cards for every employee who was working at the time then deduct from their paycheck for each car that was damaged claiming the employees should of stuffed all the cars in the show room or under trees, or bought tarps with their own money to protect the cars???? The management files insurance claimes for the damange their either has them repaired in house or promotes a sale for cars with hail damage.

Does someone in the paint department ask for a PRA (pay roll addtion) if a paint can leaks on their clothing? Does a yard employee ask for money when they tear their pants moving lumber around or tear a glove? can i carry out employee ask for money after a customer slams the employees hand acidently in a car trunk after helping load items? Issues like that would be firmly ignored and disposed of by any one above the employee themself.

If someone wants to be walked over all their life and used by someone they think is a friend thats up to them. However real men stand up for what they belive in, especially if 99.9999% of the world take their side saying its common sense.
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>> posted by mayor on 3/7/2010 7:07:30 PM
Lets get this straight Ramiro, Menards rams you in the ying yang,you get upset then decide you have to accept the fact that it may prevent abuse and maybe promote safer driving.

You are an extremely confused individual.The behavior that you exhibit is a good example of "Stockholm Syndrome" I guess you don't really pose a threat to anyone but yourself so it's not that serious. With a comprehensive therapy program you could most likely regain full testicular possession though. They do belong to you.

Were you really a sissy little girl snitch? I'd bet Ed Archibald intimidated you greatly hence,the recurring jabs you send his way. He probably could and did kick your butt.

If I see you you post "Save Big Money" one more time,I will most likely vomit bile.
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>> posted by AJ on 3/19/2010 8:15:32 PM
Hey Mayor....SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS! Any of the bad stuff people are posting about Menards on here can happen at any other company. I think you need to get your head checked.
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>> posted by ex team members on 3/19/2010 8:56:37 PM
AJ your missing one valid point when you state what happens with menards can happen at any company. This is a article from a milwaukee based newspaper in 2007 and guess what its 2010 and coments are still very active with 400 coments so far. Menards is a midwestern states company with 250 stores but yet national or even internatial retail stores such as target, kohls, wal mart, home depot, best buy or lowes have do not have internet forums to this effect by dissatisfied customers and employees. So my point is what type of inpression does it make if a company with 250 stores in 10 states can have such a negitive reflection to the public compared to stores who have many more locations and area coverage of the world so would be known by many times more people. The coments and original article are true and if a F rating with the business bureau isnt a statment in itself that menards doenst care about service then i dont know what is. Remember save big money by doing the project right the first time instead of using low quality china/menards products
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>> posted by mayor on 3/20/2010 9:00:37 PM
I'm sorry AJ but I keep hearing these negative comments and I just can't control my emotions. Perhaps if people were posting more positive and heartwarming stories of generosity and caring I could be quiet. Sadly the majority of the postings describe an atmosphere of intimidation,chastisement and favoritism. This form of management is very effective in keeping the workforce fearful for their livelihoods and therefore obedient.
Start with a few middle management flunkies to enforce or dictate the rules.Add a few snitches and you have a workforce running around with bunched up butt cheeks.
Sounds like the same way the labor camps were run in WW II Germany.
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>> posted by Adam on 3/21/2010 10:43:50 AM
And what other company would have one positive remark followed by ten negative comments? The management in Alexandria would say "Don't trash-talk the store" when I was pisssed off before leaving for the day. Could have been every day then, I hated everything about their operations!!! What a bunch of scavengers they were.
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>> posted by AJ on 3/27/2010 11:06:10 AM
I recently came across a website dedicated to pissed off consumers. It's respectively named www.pissedconsumer.com. I advise you to check it out. It has all those companys that ex team member says there isn't something like this bashing them. Menards isn't the only company with problems.
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>> posted by ex employee on 3/28/2010 8:43:07 PM
Just do a google search for "menards complaints" between that and this forum you have reading material to fill a library
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>> posted by iceman on 3/29/2010 1:20:45 AM
to AJ "?"what the heck does your last post mean? "it has all those companys that ex team member says there isn't something like this bashing them" ???????????????? take an english class, and while your there taking english, take a civics class as well. John Menard is nothing but an example of what is wrong in this country. he is an elitist who thinks that just because his name is on the marquee that he has the right and duty to treat everyone like ***** in order to further his own goal, which is filling his pocket with money he does not need but has to have to fill the void in his pants. then we have people like you who are either to weak minded to realize when they are getting screwed or have been getting it for so long that they think it is normal. the adage of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is what is driving this country into such a financial crisis and men like john menard and his cronies have their feet stomping firmly on the gas. at some point in time they will crash and all the bootlickers will crash with them, and no i am not a former employee of menards. if i was and one of the managers or the brothers treated me to an f-bomb laced tirade i would be forced to treat them to a good old fashioned awakening of their posteriors. cya
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>> posted by AJ on 3/31/2010 8:52:01 PM
Iceman, what don't you understand? Ex team member said "national or even internatial retail stores such as target, kohls, wal mart, home depot, best buy or lowes have do not have internet forums to this effect by dissatisfied customers and employees." So yeah, there is a internet forum like this "bashing" other companies.
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>> posted by ex team member on 4/1/2010 3:00:19 PM
Aj you missed the 2nd half of my point refering to how a store with a fraction of locations as other stores has many times more negitive vibes towards it from employee and customer experience. And how menards has an F rating from the better business bureau. The fact so many unresolved cases filed to the better business bureau shows menards doesnt care what people think about their image
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>> posted by Adam on 4/1/2010 10:49:00 PM
FFFFFF! They probably like their F. It enforces the image that they will treat you like crap, and take your money! Get this, the $20,000 that they DID NOT PAY ME showed up on my 1099 from them!!!??? Does this mean anything to anyone? I'm not claming that BS as income! THEY SUCK!
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>> posted by Adam on 4/1/2010 10:57:34 PM
I posted all over that PISSEDCONSUMER.com and found that again you get a bunch of immature team members commenting. Such a nasty vibe they send out. People that can't understand what a terrible company Menards has became can start by looking at his employees. I recorded my last conversations with some of the managers at our local joint and would like for some of you to be able to hear them. It's awesome.
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>> posted by ineffective eljer toilet issues on 4/3/2010 11:01:42 AM
We recently installed a eljer bought at out local menards store after being told by the employee it was a very good model and very good selling. We replaced the old toilet with this one in hope that the 1.6 gallons per flush would save "big money" over our old toilet that used 3.5 gallons per flush. However since this new toilet was installed we had to place a "4 flush" policy within our household. Im not sure how saving half the water usage per flush is effective if you need to flush it 4 times as much, however i can tell you its really embaresing flushing the 3 toilets only to see "him" remain. This created a huge embaresment for my son's girlfriend the first time we met her and didnt realize the need for the 4 flush policy. These toilets should include a plunger within the box. I returned to the store only to be blown off by the store manager. he said i need to contact eau clair wisconsin but would not provide me a phone number stating it was "unlisted". Since their the executive distributer for this piece of junk I sent a e mail to the courperate office and expressed my concern. my reply was a basic form letter stating " were sorry your disatisfied with your product however it is non returnable at this point. Please stop by your local menards store and the friendly plumbing team memeber can assist you selecting a more effective toilet. thank you for saving big money at menards and have a great day, Ray"
We had by brother in law who is a lisenced home inspector check over the toilet and even "test drive it" only to say everything is properly intsalled and proper flow to the toilet is known otherwise it would refill forever. We are at a loss what to do other then replace this recently installed toilet with one not of a generic name. I guess we learned the hard way that trying to save a few pennys upfront can cost you dollars down the road. I decided to post on here since this apears to be a place to notify the public about concerns reguarding menards. After skiming though this article and posting i will return to local stores instead of a greedy company who doesnt stand behind their products
thank you
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>> posted by iceman on 4/4/2010 2:40:41 AM
aj i find it funny that out of everything that i wrote you decided to focus only on my pointing out your ineffective and incorrect use of the english language. i will write this so that you can understand my critique. you should have written, "ex-teammember stated that other companies do not have a blog forum bashing them but this website has negative blogs about several of the companies that were mentioned by name.",or something to that effect. as i said earlier, i found it funny that you did not focus on the fact that i considered you a weak minded fool for defending john menard and others of his ilk. i also noticed that you did not deny that people like john and his brother are part of the reason that this country is in such dire financial straits (john's mantra should be "chinese junk forever".)i had expected you to also defend john's manhood since i stated that his obsessive pursuit of money was to compensate for a void in his pants. i figured that you would tell us all that john never failed to "rise to the occasion", when he was renovating your paycheck. let the hatemail begin! long live mayor, ex-teammember, and all the others who are not afraid to tell it like it is. cya
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>> posted by former menards employee on 4/4/2010 3:51:51 PM
I wanted to say happy easter to all you lucky menards employees who work 9 unti 7 this year. i know you get $5 an hour pay today but is it worth that to miss family get togethers on holidays? Last year i was still employeed by menards. I requested off that day to spend time with family out of town however the manager told me it would be a zoo on easter since target, wal mart, and so many other big stores were closed along with all the local grocery stores. I was scheduled at noon and showed up at like 11:55 the store is dead as i expected. At 12:30 the department manager walked up to me and says "after you staighen that end cap you can take off" I looked at him really confused and told him what do you mean take off? he says payroll is way off today and everyone other then managers is leaving. I said I missed out on spending time with my family at my grandparents farm 2 hours away because it was demanded id be here on this day. he was like sorry it just not what we expected business to be today and i left with less then 1 hour pay. Then in november of last year i requested off for the day after thanksgiving so i could take a plane along with our relatives to my brothers new place in texas. I was given a firm no by both department and store management even if i found someone to cover my hours. So everyone else went to texas and i sayed behind to make my massive $8.70 an hour that friday. For both easter and thanksgiving family reuninon pictures were taken however myself "mr idiot" in his blue menards vest was missing. In the past year there have been 2 deaths in the family who both live out of state. not only did i miss out on the last time with them and be in the pictures but the only way i could attend the funerals was to show menards management the obituaries to prove we had the same last name. I quit between thanksgiving and christmas with the last event involving a customer who came up to me since she was fustated with someone in another department being clueless. I asked if she would like to speek to a store manager and escorted her to the store managers hideaway in the buiding materials department near the garden center. I told the manager this woman would like to speak with you reguarding a concern she has. The manager looked very rude i was wasting his time and did not respond to a fustrated customer who ended up walking out. But still employees cant figure out why sales are down when you treat customers bad. In any case i highly recomend people work for a place who has a heart instead of living for the goal of filling the big mans wallet. John menards wallet can be restocked anyday but family you miss opertunities to be with can not be replaced once they pass away
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>> posted by Adam, ex "be your own boss!" grunt on 4/4/2010 10:56:46 PM
Amen to that! Man that's terrible when you look at it that way. If you could only go back and just tell them to straight up F themselves. The whole company is corrupt.
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>> posted by Former Customer on 4/8/2010 10:09:25 PM
No way will I ever shop at Menards ever again! Ever !
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>> posted by Glenn on 4/13/2010 6:38:05 AM
I like a fool thought I might save some money by shopping at Menards.I bought shingles,lumber and Nails ,screws arc to build a small barn.
The quality of the lumber was poor at best. When I called the manager to complain and ask for lumber that I could actually use that wasnt warped or split (that I was promised when i bought it)I was told all menards lumber was top quality.I told him to come get all his garbage and if he was that delusional to think that what they delivered to me was "Top Quality"he really ought to get another line of work.
The shingles I got were also beat up on the corners . I sent them back on the truck to start with .......refused to take delivery.
Im still arguing with menards about this almost a month later.Im just trying to get them to repalce the majority of lumber that is basically junk.I ,stupidly assumed that the boards on the outside of the piles would be the only ones that were junk. I should have cut the bands on all the lumber bundles before the driver left.My fault i know. Had I known it was such poor quality I would have refused the whole shipment.
I have started researching menards(after all my trouble with them) and have found quite a few complaint"blogs "about them having poor quality merchandise . I even wrote to "Mr Menard "himself almost a week and a half ago.
I dont think in all his infinite wisdom that he has figured out yet that a happy customer will tell a few others of his or her experinces with a store or product . A unhappy customer will spread the word far and wide .I am now doing that.I dont want to hurt the employees there but I am not being treated in a proper manner at all.
It sounds like Im not the only one with an issue with them and this type of business practice wont stay around forever.But it also seems ALOT of customers feel the same way about Menards (Poor quality merchandise being sold)(absolute terrible service)
Im hoping I get my situation resolved (money back for inferior prducts that I cant use)and I personally wont ever shop there again.I also will tell anyone who is building to never buy anything from Menards unless they want poor quality products.
This is just one mans opinion and experience with Menards but it looks like Im not alone in the "getting a raw deal"department.
In conclusion if they treat their customers this poorly I can only imagine how they treat the employees.
Glenn
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>> posted by mayor on 4/13/2010 5:51:35 PM
Fat chance you'll get your money back but a wise choice on boycotting the building materials. According to their ads they do have good deals on snacks and milk though. If you are interested SAVING BIG MONEY on cheap disposable holiday decorations they carry a full line. And their Masterforce tool line keeps a fish head in every Chinese pot and a bowl of rice on every Chinese table.

P.S. don't bother calling the Better Business Bureau. Menards couldn't care less.
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>> posted by Glenn on 4/14/2010 6:51:42 AM
Still no word from them .
Im figuring that one of the brownnosers that have been posting on here would respond and help me out but I guess not.
I will say that if some of the loyal and dedicated employees that post on this blog would just step up and take the bull by the horns and say "Glenn ,let me see what I can do to rectify your issue"I would be happier. From the looks of things Im in for a long battle.
Glenn
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>> posted by Adam on 4/14/2010 11:09:59 PM
Glenn, you will probably not hear much from Menards about your circumstances and I'm sure that they are very sorry for any inconveniences. They have your money, they will avoid you at all costs to keep it. These losers will likely, if they haven't already, pull the plug on you. For some reason they seem to get away with doing that!

As far as posting on here, it is actually considered "whining" to Menards employees. It can take up to one week for a mouthy ***** to start in on telling you everything that you did wrong. That my friend, is what you can expect. Menards is covered in all ways. For example if the "new" yard guy backs his forklift into your truck (that has been sitting still for fifteen minutes), it is your fault. Somehow there are still going to be people that just have to keep shopping at Menards. My total damages as a result of this company is astronomical and do they care? NO. All the money that they did not pay me for working still somehow ended up on my 1099 from them! That means it was a deduction to them and a profit to me (and I'm fighting a bankruptcy!). That in my eyes by itself is stealing. That money stayed right in their damn pocket!! The way I look at it is that had they not taken advantage of me there would be a few more people still shopping there and buying things... But their selfishness and greed for the moment costed them, perhaps in the long run, well above and beyond what they took from me.

I dare anyone to prove me wrong when I say that John Menard is not sitting on an empire because of honesty, integrity and hard work. He is a thief. He will walk on anyone that gets in his way. He makes money by hurting others. Yea, I know a lot of his employees think that's cool, but so many people have been hurt and it's all for John Menard. He doesn't care for anyone and most people trying to climb his "ladder" are becoming the exact same way. It is all icing on the cake. Cheap products and lots and lots and lots of promises.

I hope that they make right with you, but take your business somewhere better. Menards is NOT to be trusted. No matter what they say, walk away!
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>> posted by Glenn on 4/16/2010 3:29:19 AM
No response yet.
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>> posted by true value fan on 4/16/2010 2:56:15 PM
Glenn
I think the year 3000 will come around before you get anything more then a prewritten form letter telling you sorry but your stuck with your items. thank you "ray"

Menards takes great pride in blowing off any customer whos stands up for himself or has balls. However on behalf of many menards former employees and customers i am sorry you had to deal with this wolf in sheep clothing company
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/18/2010 12:10:36 PM
I find your bad luck story interesting! Care to share what store this took place at?.....before I offer further comment.
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>> posted by iceman on 4/18/2010 10:52:49 PM
oh-oh Glenn, you better watch out. the high kings chief inquisitor and resident of the underside of his desk has come out to stop you from telling "lies" about the kings stores.i will tell you what john is going to be willing to do, if anything, for you. he will offer you menards gift cards so that you have to buy more chinese crap,but you will never see your cash again. by the way if you happened to pay for your chinese crap with a credit card you probably have a recourse with the issuer. most credit card companys will not make you pay for what is deemed to be substandard goods from a retailer. hey ramiro you worthless pile of turds it is not a bad luck story it is the way that your hero and best butt'y does business.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/19/2010 9:18:02 AM
Hey Glenn, is 'iceman" like your spokesperson? Interesting name, does he like drive an ice delivery truck, or drive like one those ice surface conditioning machines at an ice rink? He must be a pretty 'cool' sort of guy, huh? Despite his honorable profession,it's good he is sticking up for you.
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>> posted by iceman on 4/19/2010 9:28:26 PM
ramiro, you should know that i received the nickname "iceman" when i served in the us army in the late 80's. it was given to me by the men in my platoon after they observed my demeanor under fire and my ability to do WHATEVER it took, no matter how distasteful, to finish the mission. i am nobodys spokesperson but my own and i do not consider myself to be a 'cool sort of guy'. i do consider myself however, to be an honorable man who would never stoop to being a cowardly little snitch to earn a living. i also would not be the man under the desk for anything. it seems like you do not understand what honor means since you spent your entire career as a scumbag for john. as for what i do for a living, i do not drive for an ice company or drive a zamboni, both of which are honorable and useful jobs,unlike your former job. i am a maintenance specialist for one of the largest employers in the state of wisconsin. an employer that treats its employees as a valuable asset and understands that screwing over their customers is not in the best interest of continued survival in this increasingly global economy. as far as me 'sticking up for glenn' i do not think he needs my help as he seems to be very aware of what a douchbag your pal john is, i do however find it amusing that even though you no longer reside under john's desk, you still defend him so ardently. i think they have a name for that, they call it the stockholm syndrome. you know, when you start to develop feelings for somebody who kidnaps you or tortures you for so long that you start to need it. maybe if john finds out you defend him so fiercely, he will let you back under the desk. have a nice day and remember 'spit don't swallow'.
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>> posted by madajax on 4/20/2010 1:25:21 AM
Damn
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/21/2010 10:24:19 AM
Hey "Iceman", txs for the clarification. If your nickname is a military buzz word, I was not aware of it. I was also in the military during the senseless Vietnam Conflict years. I have A LOT of respect for people serving in our nations military. What they do makes our freedoms possible, including allowing us to make 'somewhat' public comments, such as in this on going article. Txs to my brother being in Vietnam war zone at the same time I did not have to be combat zone. The 'draft' was in effect at the time and it is sad how military people WERE NOT respected as they are today. To this day I have this thing about the Vietnamese population, you see I experienced the effects of war when my brothers personnel carrier got blownup by a land mine. I was present, in my parents kitchen when notification was received. I witnessed what it did to my Mother. My brother was the oldest son. I would not wish that experience on anyone! I was recently vividly reminded of that when I attended a candle light vigil for Marine Lance Cpl Curtis Swenson also paid the ultimate sacrifice when his vehicle got blown up by an IED, as they are now called. He is now a 20 yr old American Hero,just three yrs ago he was 17 walking the hallways at Mayo High School, Rochester, Mn with my own 20 yr old son. You or anyone else reading this is welcome to call me any names they so desire but despite all the BS I truely have a lot of respect for military people in uniform. Everytime I encounter 'a soldier' I extend a hand and thank them for serving,so should everybody.

As far as Menards and his shitty company, as a lot of negative peole have expressed, I still stand by what I have said all along. John Menard has personally done me no wrong and I continue to have respect for him. From my job experience I know a lot of reasons for things that others do not, including Glens 'bad luck experience'. I DO NOT agree with the way he says he was/has been treated but I know there is more to that story. If the opportunity presents itself I will elaborate further, it may still even help Glenn to a good outcome,but I'd like to know the rest.

Hey, by the way I never said delivering ice or driving a zamboni was not an honorable way to make a living, either job provides for making others lives happy.
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>> posted by mayor on 4/24/2010 7:57:18 PM
"John has personally done me no wrong".
The hail damage? Didn't you say you personally asked him to forgive the $150 deduction for the hail damage and he denied you? Sounds to me like he personally kicked you in the crotch.
By the way I did a Google search for "Menards customer satisfaction","Menards customer compliments" and "Menards warm and fuzzy".Zero zilch nada.So I tried "Menards military". Guess what? Bingo!! All kinds of stories about Menards DROPPING the military discount that they once had. I guess that, in order for John to reach the next billion dollar plateau,something has to go. He is urinating on the graves of every military person that has made the ultimate sacrifice so that I can make my own"somewhat public comments"! That Ramiro is the sign of a less than honorable money grubbing man. So call him your friend if you like. He is a snake in my eyes,watch out,he will bite you if he has the chance.
Oh and by the way, I wonder if John's buyers have traveled beyond China to Vietnam looking at their wares.I understand they are making textiles there now. Menards could establish an exclusive clothing line manufactured using cotton grown in ground stained with the blood of 58,159 Americans.
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>> posted by iceman on 4/25/2010 8:19:43 PM
starting from the bottom of your last post ramiro, you did not directly insult the men and women who are employed in the honorable jobs of delivering ice or driving a zamboni, that is not your way. you implied that it was less than honorable with the "cool" comment. i expected no more of you since you do not seem to have the balls to say anything to someones face as evidenced by your choice of employment under johns desk. when you were with menards you were a contemptable little man who's only joy in life was to sneak around and make peoples life miserable by catching someone doing something YOU and john deemed wrong so that you could go back to john and squeal like his little lapdog. as far as john menard and his way of doing business, i stand by my earlier comment that he is only interested in where his next billion is coming from and does not give a damn about the customer or anybody else that he has to step on to get it. and that includes his own family. you say that john has never personally done you wrong, as i stated earlier you are obviously suffering from stockholm syndrome if you cannot see the things that he has done to you or the sorry state that he reduced you to when you became his own personal lapdog. he made you pay for hail damage! ha,and then he took the money he got from the insurance and padded his wallet since he got you to pay his deductable. as far as you showing respect to members of the military, we do not need your condesending RESPECT. we do what we do because we love our country and we know that there are scumbags out there like john but we do it anyway. as for your brother being kia in vietnam, my condolences to your mother and father. but like everything else you did in your sorry and cowardly way you hid in the back and let the real men do the job you were to scared to do. you see i also had a brother in service with me and we were both in COMBAT DUTY. neither of us wanted to hide so we did not.
to mayor, no disrespect but the best thing john could do to honor our military men and women is to not give a discount. that way we will not be tempted to buy that cheap chinese and afgan ***** that he sells in his stores. john could never understand HONOR because he has none and thinks that it is a weakness. in short he is a useless zit on the ***** of society.
To all my brothers and sisters who have served and to those who gave the most precious gift they could. All my love. iceman
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>> reply posted by Adam on 4/26/2010 8:56:05 AM
BE YOUR OWN BOSS The FARGO MENARDS AND ALEXANDRIA MENARDS has a great opportunity for an individual wanting to start their own business by becoming an owner/operator of a 16' Cargo Van. This GREAT opportunity comes with SUPER SECURITY and UNLIMITED Earning Potential. This is YOUR opportunity to work with the #1 Home Improvement Center!! Contact: Scott, Nick, or Steve @ 715-876-4000

Good Job menards! Looks very "colorful" as you wanted it. I'm sure you don't need to worry about the old driver saying anything as he just wants it to be over and doesn't want to worry about you not paying what you owe him. I will say something!

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>> posted by Adam on 4/26/2010 8:57:49 AM
SUPER SECURITY? Really? I think what they really mean is that """""THEY""""" have a super security guard shack that you will spend literally hundreds of hours parked along side as you lose money and become late for deliveries. After all, HQs policy regarding YOU is that no guest is waiting in line behind your truck! Just one of the things "not on paper" you should be aware of. Job security is supposed to be what you think they meant! Not so secure when they ACT AS YOUR OWN VOICE TO THROW YOU OUT JUST TO SELL ANOTHER TRUCK!!!! Have you noticed yet how they won't just let you buy the last guys truck that HE had to buy from THEM that is now his headache to sell?? Yet it is perfectly equipped, already logo'd and just as good as all the rest? Heck, the new guy might actually be able to afford buying from this party but Scott, Nick, or Steve will still tell you that their program is to protect you so you don't go out and "over invest". Tell them that you found a much nicer AMERICAN MADE truck for 60% of the cost of one of their ISUZUS and see what they say! I did!


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>> posted by Adam on 4/26/2010 8:58:30 AM
ENDLESS EARNING POTENTIAL The numbers they are concerned about include selling you a truck and using YOU to generate dollar signs. Everyone that has been there knows that the work you get depends on how well they are doing and the demand for having (in this case, appliances) delivered. In Alexandria, Ron buys an appliance truck from Menards. Saw the same ad you see, thought it was a good idea, and probably dug into his retirement so that he could employ his son and one other fella to zip around in this truck chasing nothing. Truth unveils itself. The owner sends his son and helper fully armed to haul one appliance across town (which has to be with the van) to make a total of about fifty bucks. That's all they had for him that day. The next day he has THREE WHOPPING DELIVERIES! One refrigerator is local, the next is in Detroit Lakes (NW 90 miles), and the third is a washer/dryer in sauk center (back home and E 25 miles). At each he has to load up and bring back the old appliances so that menards can try to sell them. In Alex, they arrive right on time at eight o'clock. The guest tells them that the doors of the fridge were supposed to swing the other way as menards had promised him it would be done. Minor set-back as they decided this time not to tinker with it and called the store to have someone come out. It's easy to tell the guest that the store will have someone come right out, though you can't be so sure anyone actually will. They arrived in DL as quickly as they could to an angry customer. This lady wanted some kind of reimbursement as she too was scheduled for 8 o'clock. Her delivery is refunded and unfortunately this is a hit for the service as they are more than two hours late, Scheduling conflict or not. Back in Alex it is now 1:30. The last delivery, in Sauk Centre is scheduled for after 5 p.m. The coordinator calls the guest in favor of the delivery service but it is a no-go for early delivery. The driver lives 20 miles north, so he has to debate going home and coming back, or sitting around bored. There is no work to fill the void. Well the Sauk Centre job was no better than a sharp stick in the eye because the appliances would not make the bend in the hall! Nobody knows who to blame and a delivery guy just can't leave, so they sit around as the guest plays phone tag with menards. A conclusion is made to have a re-delivery. The old washer and dryer are still sitting, hooked-up, and the washer is full of water because the pump went out and the guest didn't feel like removing any of it manually. They leave it for now, and bring only the "new" appliances back, unboxed. For the Alex delivery,$49. Detroit Lakes, $135. Sauk Centre, $53. Total $237. Expense Fuel $70, helper $70, ..... and so on. WOW. Same crap with any other truck except the expenses are even higher.

The truth is that there is NO SECURITY in these positions and you will be lucky to make just enough to keep the truck on the road. There is no "endless opportunity" to anything with this work. It is only fabricated to get you in there. Everyone thinks they can do better than the last guy. There is none of that here!
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>> posted by Adam on 4/26/2010 9:09:48 AM
qouted exactly from the BBB.org-
"On February 5th, 2010 the Better Business Bureau contacted the company concerning their use of the term “lowest prices” in its advertising appearing in the business' weekly flyer. The BBB requested that the company substantiate the offer. The business failed to substantiate or modifythe claim in accordance with BBB standards for advertising"

This means A LOT to me!
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>> posted by Adam on 4/26/2010 9:26:58 AM
The second largest complaint against Menards- product issues.

The largest- return/exchange policy
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>> posted by Adam on 4/26/2010 9:37:30 AM
what makes Menards the #1 home improvement center? It's not size, and definately not service. I see that Lowes and Home Depot work hard to earn a positive reputation. What about Menards?
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>> posted by former menards adict on 4/26/2010 11:00:29 AM
Adam
In refernce to your comment regurding the ad to call nick or steve about the "be your own boss". That exact ad has been in the misc. employment of the milwaukee journal sentinal nearly consistantly for the last year. It stands out very good when so many people are looking for a job and the only 2 or 3 other jobs in the misc. category are for local grocery stores or pizza delivery and those jobs change over every few days not remain there forever. I was wondering if anyone here has info reguarding the acres of land for sale outside each menards store where they buy a whole "county" and then try to resell the excess land to other stores. many of the menards stores i have driven past have signs on empty land with menards signs trying to sell. Does menards make a hell of a contract that no business wants menards to be the landlord or does menards hold high standard who buys the land?

As far as the bbb getting on menards for the low price policy i recall many years ago wal mart changed the slogan from "always the low price" to "always low prices" as the request of the goverment and they did not hesitate.
Menards has very sneeky procedures including having employees use their car to but items from home depot and lowes for items at a super low price so menards can resell.
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>> posted by former menards adict on 4/26/2010 4:45:23 PM
Adam,
Also in refernce to you asking what makes menards the #1 home improvement center the reply is simply thats their point of view. with other stores having so many more locations cross country and international how could menards be more popular even if they had first class service with bussers and valet service? They cant say their number #3. Im sure in their screwed up mind their #1 for grocerys, and #1 for greeting card selection and #1 for office supplies as well.
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>> posted by ex team member on 4/27/2010 9:11:34 AM
HAPPY 3RD ANNIVERSERY OF THIS ARTICLE AND 3 YEARS OF THE TRUTH COMING OUT FOR THIS COMPANY
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/27/2010 9:31:16 AM
Mayor....I was not aware of a military discount issue at Menards. Txs for pointing it out. Sounds like it is offered at some stores. If it was/is available I would use it without reservation. I do not feel that it reflects directly that John Menard does not have respect for our nations military. It's a privately held company and he can offer, or not offer a discount to whomever he chooses. As a comparison, Wal-Mart, the biggest retailer in the world, does not offer it, neither do a lot of other retailers. There are always 'groups' asking for, expecting handouts. Years ago when the first Menards store in Dubuque opened there were people coming in asking for their discount because they were Catholic! If a military discount was offered at all Menard locations at one time it was probably done away with because someone at store level screwed it up?

As for the 'hail damage' thing....Yup, it happened. I still do not think it was justified, being damage was caused by a circumstance out of my control but ***** Jon K, Menards fleet manager, was just being a ***** to bring it up in the first place. The message was obvious it was to prove a point that no one was exempt from vehicle damage while operating a company vehicle, not even John Menards favorite snitch. FYI, fleet manager once told me that insurance deductible on company vehicles was $25,000, thus $150 deduct did not begin to cover anything. It was/is merely a deterent for employees to be more cautious when driving a company vehicle they can refuse to drive a comapny vehicle if they so choose. In my case, $150 for me was a mere pitance since John was paying me millions to be his snitch!
By the way, I do not remember stating John Menard was my friend. Who would want to be friends with such a bad individual. He has no friends. I did state and will state again that I have a lot of respect for John Menard he has done me no wrong. There is a difference.....do not go telling people John Menard is my friend, that is not an acurate statement.

Neither is telling people that his buyers travel to China or foreign markets to purchase goods for his stores. Unless things have changed, Menards buyers do not travel to any suppliers, even staeside. Menards has a fleet of jets, but none with overseas capability. They are used daily to get corporate people out to stores to enforce John Menards stupid rules and continue raking in millions of dollars daily. If any suppliers want to do business, they need to come to Menards buying office. For personal reasons I would not knowingly purchase anything that had a made in Vietnam label.
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>> posted by lowes buddy on 4/27/2010 5:11:29 PM
$25,000 insurance deductable???? What type of insurance company would have a deductable at an amout at or above the new retail selling price of the vehicle. The way insurance coverage works is the maximum they pay is the blue book value of a vehile that is totaled after depreation depending on variables such as milage, age, condtion, and demand for that vehicle. Unless john menard had you rolling around in a hummer, excalade or beamer with less then 1000 miles there absolutly no where the insurance deductable would be higher then the new retail price paid.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/27/2010 7:32:21 PM
lowes buddy, that was my thinking too but I did not look into it further. I just assumed it was some sort of insurance strictly for coverage against liability claims. The Sonata I was driving during this time was not worth $25,000 and it seems Menards Fleet Division had their own body shop. There were a lot of fleet vehicles worth more, i.e., like the semi-tractors & trailers. I would think an insurance carrier wouldn't expect much of a premium on such a high deductible.
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>> posted by iceman on 4/27/2010 9:35:48 PM
sigh, sad just sad that is all i can say about your pathetic attempts to distance yourself from the reality of who you are ramiro. $25,000 for a deductible on anything but a jet would be unheard of in the insurance industry. they could not charge anything for a premium and would not be able to make any money like that, and we know that insurance companies do everything they can to make money. they took the john menards school of business. methinks you are a liar.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/28/2010 9:24:49 AM
Hey Iceman, I am not trying to distance myself from who I was reporting to John Menard. I did not make up the deductible amount, just repeating what Fleet Manager Jon Kurshinsky told me at one time. If it was untrue, I merely passed on a lie. I know there always an updated proof of insurance card in glove compartment, perhaps just liability? This all came about because of the $150 deduct because of hail damage. I do not know how Menards insurance is setup for their fleet of vehicles, including the multi-million dollar company owned jets. I believe there were 5 or 6 jets when I terminated employment. I do know that I always felt very safe on these planes, which I was on hundreds of times over the years there was no skimping on their maintenance.

Since we are on the subject of transportation, here's another experience for you & others to read about. Company seminars were always held in Eau Claire, Wisc.,. Going home to Rochester after one such seminar, passing thru Nelson, Wisc., I noticed a company Sable stopped at town liquor store. I witnessed Menard employees carrying packages & getting into vehicle. I followed them from a distance of about 30 miles before my turn off. "They" were tossing empty beer cans out the window! I got close enough to get fleet number off trunk lid. I got on my cell and phoned fleet asking who vehicle was assigned to. It was the Waterloo Menards store. YUP, I was the company snitch and reported them. They still had a two hour trip ahead of them when I turned off to Rochester & they continued on to Iowa. I should have called state patrol and had them deal with it. So, am I ashamed of having reported them, NOPE! Remember I was paid to be the company snitch. They are damn lucky they were not in an alcohol related accident. In Minnesota this past week there were 11 highway deaths related to alcohol. What ever happened to the Waterloo employees, I do not really care. As far as I am concerned they should all have been fired. I think they just got their asses chewed big time. The store manager was former store manager,Steve Faber, who is mentioned much earlier in this on going report. If I am the bad guy for having reported it, too bad. They could have purchased their liquor, put it in the trunk until they got home.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/28/2010 9:28:04 AM
In re-reading previous posting, it should read "I follwed them from a distance FOR about 30 miles before my turn off".
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>> posted by Adam on 4/29/2010 1:52:55 AM
Who cares? At least they paid you.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 4/29/2010 9:03:24 AM
Adam, txs for sharing your 'delivery service' ex[erience in detail, especially mentioning that Alexandria & Fargo stores were involved. It brings back a lot of memory experiences which I do not have time to get into today. From my side of it, I made it a point of spending time checking into a lot of things on store visits, including checking into how deliveries were going & issues delivery people had. There were many times when I would even go out with delivery people to check out what was going on. From my perspective, a lot of problems were directly as a result of idiots in store management at store level & a very narrow minded puppet from Menards Home Office by the name of Dennis Dixon. I am a firm believer of what goes around comes around....his time will come. More at another time.
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>> posted by ex team member on 4/30/2010 6:30:18 AM
dennis dixon replaced larry menard who retired last year. he visited the store i worked at a couple times and always called him "the big man" which was refering to more then just his postion of employment
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>> posted by iceman on 5/1/2010 8:38:25 PM
ramiro when i called you john menards lapdog and snitch i was not refering to legitimate concerns that may have happened such as the drinking and driving incident you described. i am talking about the many people you screwed over during the course of your employ by following them around looking for a mistake so you could squeal. drunk driving is a very serious offense which SHOULD have been reported to law enforcement not to john, but i think that you were only interested in your own motives since if you had reported it to the authorities you might not have gotten credit. you stated that you followed them for 30 miles and they still had 2 hours left on their drive which means roughly 120 more miles to kill someone, next time call the cops and so not try to build on your "legend" as a snitch. as far as john skimping on mx for his jets, of course he did not skimp, he flies on those jets and more than likely he has a mx service that knows what they are doing and will not risk their license by doing slipshod mx even if he told them to. grow a set and stop defending john, he did not give a damn about you when you got hit with a bs deductible and he did not give a damn about you when you got booted or "quit" the company. as far as he is concerned you were just another piece of toilet paper to be used and disposed of when he got ***** all over you.

when they came for the blind i said nothing for i was not blind.
when they came for the deaf i said nothing for i was not deaf.
when they came for the "different" i said nothing for i was not "different".
when they came for me, there was noone left to say anything for me.
just a misc. thought.
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>> posted by Ramiro Duenes on 5/2/2010 12:08:18 PM
Hey Iceman, you're so colorful! A LOT OF THINGS happened during my employ with Menards a lot of times it was my decision to make & let the cards fall where they may. The comoany owned vehicle incident....the store mgr tried to tell me it wasn't true, his guys told him so. I know what I witnessed. I also followed up by finding out who was riding in car 'roadtriping'. There was a gal involved who wanted nothing to do with it. She told me she was never so scared for her safety in all her life! She also said she asked to drive since she was not drinking the guys wouldn't let her. That's when I decided them getting fired would've been a good thing. Oh well,there's always hindsight I should've reported to Highway Patrol. As for leaving Menards employ, decided to leave when both my parents took ill & needed to be closer to home instead of HOURS away 'snitching' on idiots! Do I care if John Menard doesn't give a damn about me & being gone, as you put it. Nope, he is free to feel as he so desires, express it if he wants. I once asked him if I could write a book about him, some of what I know & experienced has been posted in this article. It's the tip of the iceberg. Surprisingly a lot of it was good & in a way humorous. Then again I probably, in some people's eyes just have a sick sense of humor.....you be the judge, perhaps at another time.
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>> posted by this article saved the day on 5/2/2010 2:16:21 PM
I recently applied for a job at my local menards store after seeing their million ads for morning stocking help needed. Everything went all good at the interview with the HR girl who acted like she cared more about the gum in her mouth and her hair then my answer to her questions. There was week or so lead time between when the HR and store manager hired me and my starting date over which time i discovered this article and coments. Of couse this drew great concern to me. I also verified the F rating by the better business bureau mentioned on here which i would think would be a huge embaresement to any business. I printed off this article, all the replys at the time as well as the BBB F rating and on the day i was scheduled to start the store manager walked up to me all excited saying your ready to get your training. I told him i had some concerns i would like to discuss. I pulled the printed papers out of my folder and handed them to him. He skimmed over the info and his face turned bright red. he politly but nervously informed me he was unable to discuss the subject any further and was not required to take the position. I told him it apears menards corperation has many flaws they choose to turn their back on and nothing against him personaly and i left the store. Thank you to everyone for bringing this to my attention before i became a "menards zombie"
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>> posted by iceman on 5/2/2010 8:51:40 PM
ramiro i noticed that you did not say what johns answer was when you asked him about writing a book about him. was he to busy laughing to answer or did he not understand you with your mouth full.as for you leaving menards to take care of your parents i would commend you for that. but of course i have to wonder why john would not even bother to offer you a sabbatical or let you use fmla. i guess he decided that you were "expendable", since you had the audacity to put your sick parents ahead of his wallet. as far as your reasoning and explanations about the dui incident, they are irrelevant. you were more interested in polishing your apple than in the publics safety and for that you should be ashamed but we all know you will not be because you do not see what you did as wrong. which is all the more unfortunate, since you cannot learn from your mistakes if you do not admit to them. much like your continued defence of john and his outrageous business practices.
to this article saved the day i am glad that you did not go to work for john, judging by the research steps you took before you stepped in you are an intelligent individual and john hates that. he only approves of drones who cannot think for themselves and snitches who like to work in the comfort of the underside of his desk. good luck on your job search.
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>> posted by Menards picks up my trash and sells it to you! on 5/21/2010 8:49:35 PM
To the new trucker: I know you think you can pull it all together and make it work, like every other driver that has ever hauled there (because they want you to think how much you earn is up to you, with no cap), but my advise since you already signed up is that they own you now so you either like that or get out as soon as you see the sketchiness coming, and it will. Boy they will do you wrong and I'm sorry to say that. The longer you stay the more you will give them. Don't like something? Too damn bad.
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>> posted by mayor on 5/23/2010 8:58:45 PM
Strange thing happened last week,I got on this site and my firewall said that it was a reported attack site. It seems safe today so what happened? Now I wonder who would try to disrupt the truth being told. John was it you? You naughty boy I thing someone could get in trouble for playing dirty games like that on the internet!
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>> posted by no longer a menards widow on 5/31/2010 8:55:42 PM
After reading this, I am so happy that my family is no longer involved with Menards. With a store manager in the family, he was never home. Incidents with other gm's and cashiers, dui's and driving company trucks....I am so grateful that we no longer depend on an income from a company that really does not care about their employees or their "guests." Ramiro, I so enjoyed your posts and it validated all the stories/feelings/etc. that I had towards the company. I would encourage any prospective employees to strongly consider the above information...Menards truly has a culture all its own and it truly demonstrates that any employee is "replaceable." Employment at Menards does not result in a good quality of life-for the employee, the spouse and especially the children.
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>> posted by Adam on 6/4/2010 3:35:23 PM
I would never have my kids working or shopping there, if they'll be smart! Maybe the whole operation will be shut down by then and nobody would have to worry about it.
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>> posted by Jessi on 6/9/2010 1:47:26 AM
I spent 9 years giving to Menards Inc. It wasn't all bad, but when you have a "drone" for a store manager, sorry General Manager. It gets old fast. At least some good came out of it, I found my wonderful husband, and countless friends that hate the place as much as I do! We sit around at tell horror stories that have gone on in the different stores. Some with the same managers, since they move around so much. I would hate to have been in management where they force your hand into going to a different store.
I personally never met John, and Larry only once, and said hi to him (I didn't know who he was at the time). I did meet Archy a few times, and he was a riot! Thanks for the new "horror" stories I can tell people about!
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>> posted by Wmrtz on 6/10/2010 8:10:06 AM
Does anyone else also suspect that 'Ramiro Duenes' is a pseudonym for John Menard?
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>> posted by former team member on 6/11/2010 7:33:42 PM
wmrtz,
that was my first though from the very first time he opened his mouth and puts in his 2 cents about stuff that has nothing do with conerns of the previous posting
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>> posted by korey on 6/24/2010 11:51:58 PM
Are comments now being screened?
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>> posted by former team member on 6/27/2010 1:21:03 AM
Heres another follow up to the cheapness of the big man from the point of employee. once or twice a year customers who have a menards credit card are mailed a "lottery ticket" where you can win free menards items valued from $2 up to $500 depending if your the lucky winner. Simular to car dealers using this game to get you in for a test drive. To find out if you win you scan at the register and tells you the amount. over the years i worked there every single ticket i scanned was $2.00 and never personaly saw another cashier scan one for more then $2.00 either. I brought this up at a department meeting saying its misleading and was firmly informed by the manager if a customer says "does anyone ever get more then $2.00" just tell them you scaned one for $20.00 earlier in the day. Of couse their is no odds of payout winning on the back so the "winning $500" is given directly to john menard. I know aj will say its free $2.00 but $2.00 doesnt even pay for me to drive to the store. And ramiro will ramble on about his family hopeing it makes everything all good. I apoligize ahead of time for anyone stuck working for the upcoming holiday. Im sure your family will be thinking of you when your missing at family events
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>> posted by Davecwi on 7/11/2010 8:16:49 PM
After reading through the article and the comments, I was surprised to reach the end with no one pointing out the fact that Menard Inc was sanctioned for illegal disposal of hazardous ash in 1994. Three years later (1997) John Menard is caught red handed personally perpetrating the same offense. I've never met the man, but to me that testifies to a person's character and I judge him harshly for that action. Who knows how much he illegally disposed of in that three year period.

I recently started employment at a retail location as a part time employee while furthering education. I was very disappointed when I learned I could not receive full time status because I was not available 15/7/363 (damn those 15 hours a week of school). I was further disappointed to learn that Menards does not offer any scholarships for their employees. Coming from a family that appears to value higher education, I can not fathom why Mr. Menard does not extend a hand to aspiring “Team Members.” Frankly, it makes me feel left out of the team. It's especially insulting seeing how many students and young adults are employed by my store, and other locations. I also feel it would be most welcome and appreciated in our current economic climate.

Having the opportunities to advance within a company, almost without limitation, on a high school education (or equivalent) is a radical concept. Provided the talent, it could be a very great thing. I was told my GM has a business degree, so I can not attest to the quality of those who do not hold a college diploma. Most of the department managers in my store do not have higher education, and in a lot of ways it shows. I so far have enjoyed all of my encounters with them as persons, but I do not agree with many of their management practices.

The level of paranoia that engulfs the management is almost palpable. My first month many people avoided me (or so it seemed) and appeared to be treading softly when around me. I was later to find out (from my assistant manager and the GM himself) that people were uncertain if I was from the corporate office or not. Ignorant of all the information I obtained here and from word of mouth, I responded something along the lines of “I wish” - as in, a corporate job sounded pretty “cush” at the time to me. That had my GM wide-eyed and silent. It's pretty clear to me now why. It baffles me why the corporate office would add so much stress on their already tense staff. But it made me feel pretty good about my performance.

When hired (beginning of April), I was informed of all the rules to qualify for the IPS. My friendly HR rep. insured me I would have no trouble meeting the 1k hours, even on my part time schedule. I was looking forward to it's reception, viewing it as a helping hand to my accruing debt. Turns out, after the initial Spring sales rush my hours were drastically reduced to average 18-20 hours a week. I was receiving approximately 30 hours weekly previous. That's when I started to get worried and decided to do the math. From this point forward, I need to average 38 hours a week in order to qualify (assuming that my department would qualify as well). Big disappointment.

It works well that the location is 1.5 miles from my house and 3 miles from my school, saving me some money from running around town a lot. My mind may change in the future, but for now I enjoy helping most of my guests and sharing my information with them.
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>> posted by another ex team member on 7/11/2010 11:17:50 PM
Following along with past postings i would like to state what made me give up my "precious" employment at menards. The store I worked at was the typical p5 type set up and I primary work in the outside garden center durring spring and summer. Except as most of the other male employees who do the same postion in the hardware department know majority of your time you spend selling and loading pavers, mulch and other items which are the buiding materials. Ive been bitched at more then once for assisting with their sales when i work in hardware more then once but i had no other choice when the lone buiding materials man was trying to help customers inside. of couse store managers hiding behind their office partition wall were way too "overqualified" to explain how to properly install pavers or how many bags of much were needed for an area.

However my primary concern that made me snap involved since i spent so much time outside in hot tempatures doing physical working around I ended up having issues where my deoderant failed me half way though my shift. So one day i decided to bring in a stick of my deoderant keep in case i needed. I kept it the back of a shelf out of the way. Couple days later the undercover security man and 2 of the store managers walk up to me outside holding my deoderant and one firmly asks where it came from. I said i bought it from home a few days ago for when i have personal issues and to avoid acidently offending people. The one manager states we looked at your records and you do not show having this as a recent payroll deduction, do you have a receipt? I said no and bought it at wal mart weeks ago. we all walk over to a computer and one manager scans the bar code on my deoderant acting very overconfident until the screen says invalid upc code. He then type in the upc number several times manualy and still invalid. In a really fustrated and pissed look he says i guess we dont sell that item but i need to verify with corperate we never stocked it. I told him I told him i dont buy items from menards because most of their items are low quality crap that sell for a couple cents less then decent products. Of couse by that time we had a whole audience around us and told im I refuse to work for people who treat everyone like someone covicted 3 felony fraud and theft charges.

One more story to share involves a former elderly co worker who worked in the garden center too on very limited hours however was very informed on all aspects of home improvment. A man came up to him holding a picking form who had bought several cinder blocks and was told by the secuity man as well as a store employee they were located near the pavers however they were located on the exteme oposite side of the store parking lot other end of the building. Since the older employee had issues walking and limp the customer offered to drive the employee to the other end of the lot if he assisted with which were the proper blocks to use. The employee was more then willing to help and took up the offer. However someone in the recieving area decided to play tattle tell on the elderly employee to the managers and created a huge scene as soon as the customer left. The elderly employee stood his ground and told off the manager on a powertrip and gave up his job as well.
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>> posted by iceman on 7/15/2010 6:13:17 AM
well ramiro do you not have some bleeding heart story to tell about your family that will make this all go away?
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>> posted by Jim on 7/22/2010 2:26:10 PM
Go to the Eau Claire Leader Telegram website and read the article on Menard's firing of his attorney. The article states, and I quote:

Sands was hired in 1999 and had a highly visible role as a spokeswoman for Menard, which has more than 200 stores in the Upper Midwest.

On the day she was let go in 2006, company founder and president John Menard gave her only a few minutes to collect personal belongings from her office, stood behind her with his hand in a fist and ordered her away from her computer, then followed her out of the building, the court opinion said.

He then had her door secured with a chain and padlock until a new lock could be installed, the opinion said.

In her discrimination claim, Sands alleged “Menard family officers” engaged in “mafia-like conduct” and John Menard’s conduct was “so monstrous and reprehensible that it shocks the conscience,” court records said.

Sands argued she was defamed by Menard and was the victim of gender-based discrimination and retaliation for claiming discrimination.

Yes....there are two sides to every story but do you see a trend in the stories?????? Wow - can't imagine working there.
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>> posted by Truth on 7/24/2010 3:47:53 PM
The only reason she got the job is because John was engaged to her sister. It was a gift. She should be thankful for the money she made and just be on her way.
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>> posted by iceman on 7/25/2010 12:31:26 AM
truth be told you are an idiot. if you go by the moronic statement that you just made then every minority who ever was a victim of discrimination should just "be thankful for the money and just be on their way". it is morons like you that allow people like john to stay the way he is, a hedonistic self serving pompous ass. maybe you should take ramiro's place under johns desk,i have a feeling you would feel right at home. i am sure that she gave him hell in court and took him for a few of his precious dollars. that is the only way that you can reach a scumbag like john menard!
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>> posted by Truth on 7/31/2010 12:19:25 PM
Iceman, she replaced a guy who was lead counsel for 20 years. How do you think he feels? She should be thankful, and should be on her way. She was horrible at her job and wrecked the life of a guy who did nothing wrong, just because she was the lucky sister. It has nothing to do with minorities.
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>> posted by iceman on 8/5/2010 12:05:05 AM
Truth, have you been drinking? you imply that john menard has done nothing wrong but yet you have around 300 posts on this very site that give you a list of the littany of things he has done wrong. he has a long history of abusing his employees, the enviroment, the law, minorities, and anything else he can get his hands on. you can bet your bottom dollar that when he replaced his lead counsel of 20 years he did not stand over him with his fists clenched and padlock him out of the office. i do not know the particulars of why this man lost his job so i will not comment on that, but i am sure someone who follows this site can enlighten us all as to why he was relieved. i would find it difficult to believe that john would fire a competent MAN to replace him with a BROAD just because he was with the sister. i mean with his history of discrimination against women and minorities i just cannot believe he would violate his principles just to keep his girlfriend happy.
i would suggest that you read the rest of the posts here and then go work for john for a while before you say she got what she deserved.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/5/2010 7:50:09 PM
Iceman, I did work for John for a long time. There is no discrimination against women and minorities. The fact is.....very few apply. A lot of that has to do with the geographics of the stores and the nature of the products sold. John would hire anyone who was competent and was of value. Especially if they could make him money.
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>> posted by truth on 8/6/2010 12:52:33 AM
i just read an newspaper article today reguaring how 40 of the worlds 40 wealthiest families and indiduals are going to donate one half of their savings to charity either upon their death or durring their lifetime. The list includes bil gates, warren buffett, george lucas, ted turner, and paul allen. However belive it or not my buddy john menard did not want to unload one penny from his 7.2 billon piggy bank for this incredible donation of the worlds most elite people. Greed may gain you alot in the pocketbook but it gets absolute no respect from me whatsoever and i know many people follow in my footsteps towards that way of thinking
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>> posted by Truth on 8/10/2010 3:59:42 PM
The above comment was not from me - just an imposter.
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>> posted by very disapointed in john menard on 8/11/2010 10:28:32 AM
Even if it was an imposter it still is the truth
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>> posted by iceman on 8/11/2010 8:58:43 PM
truth how can you come up with such a bald faced lie? very few women and minorities apply? there is no discrimination? then why are john and his company fighting a discrimination suit in every single state that he does business in? and why are there very very few minorities(2) or women in the main office, except in menial positions. please tell me that someone calling himself the truth cannot be so blind or so busy under johns desk that you have no time to see whats around you.
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>> posted by 50th annivery for company founded in 1972??? on 8/11/2010 11:04:55 PM
Ive recently seen ads in the newspaper and tv every few weeks for menards 50th aniversery sale. However the company was founded in 1972 and first store opend in 1972. Im not sure how 2010 - 1972 = 50 in menards lingo. I assume the made up 50th aniversery claim is just to make them apear one up on other stores and another menards attempt to mislead the public. I welcome any assistance.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/12/2010 4:50:50 PM
Iceman.....every big company fights this all the time. People always look for the easy money.

The stats don't lie. Not many minorities apply in most locations. It's usually proportional to the surrounding area. The larger city stores are loaded with minority workers. Stores in the Dakotas aren't. There's nothing unusual.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/12/2010 4:52:44 PM
1972 is not the right year. Should be 1960-1961. There are a handful of stores that were built in the 60's, and they were preceded by the pole building business.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/12/2010 4:57:13 PM
Keep in mind that when a company or individual keeps so many aspects of business quiet, the only thing people can get their hands on is rumors, and they start taking on a life of their own. John has done a lot of good. He just doesn't pound his chest and tell everyone how good he is....like Donald Trump.
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>> posted by iceman on 8/12/2010 7:00:33 PM
when a company keeps things quiet it is usually because they have things to hide. and you do not get a f rating from the bbb by being a good employer. face it truth you do not want or know the REAL truth.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/12/2010 9:13:33 PM
Iceman, you'll never get it. You've never been close enough to know.
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>> posted by iceman on 8/13/2010 7:22:57 PM
really? and how would you know? my wife worked for menards in plainfield illinois. that was back when john was being sued for falsifying employee hours, stealing employee vacation and discrimination. which he lost, and then screwed the people over even more by adding insult to injury by making the payouts in MENARDS MERCHANDISE GIFTCARDS! talk about balls. then there was my friend who had the misfortune of being a mexican employee of the lumberyard. he worked hard, was never late and never stole or cheated the clock. then the chance for a promotion came up to manage the yard and it went to the white guy who had been there 4 months came to work late almost every day and had no clue as to what was needed for the daily operation of the yard. also i guess the thousands of former customers and employees who called to complain to the bbb and earned john an f rating were not close enough to know they were getting screwed. and i guess all those lawsuits for discrimination were filed by disgruntled ex-employees. oh and those record setting enviromental fines that john received were just the states way of saying: good job john.face it john ooops i mean Truth YOU are the one who does not get it! you sound a lot like another white guy telling me that racism and discrimination does not exist simply because you have not felt it. well here a newsflash you are a white male and thats why you will never get it. and do not do us all a diservice by saying that you are a minority or a woman we know by your ignorance of racism and discrimination that you are not. now that is the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>> posted by Truth on 8/13/2010 10:07:31 PM
Iceman, the F rating is not accurate. Menards had 482 complaints to the BBB in the last 3 years, Home Depot 3,855 and Lowes 2,962. Considering the size of the companies, that's proportionate. HD and Lowes get an A+ while Menards gets an F. Know why? The other two are BBB accredited businesses and Menards is not. All that means is Lowes and HD report all their solutions to the BBB and Menards does not. That does not mean Menards does not take care of issues. It just means they handle things on their own. Kind if like borrowing money from friends or family. You may pay it back and have great credit with them. However, it doesn't get reported to the credit bureaus, so your credit score is low. A low score in that scenario doesn't mean bad credit history. Same with the BBB. Just because it doesn't get reported doesn't mean issues are not handled. Ask any vendor how issues are handled. Menards has one of the most generous return policies in retail. Take it back, deduct the vendor, and everyone is happy.

Of course problems exist. How was John involved in the hiring of the yard manager? Sounds like a store manager issue.

Looks like a case where your digging to find stuff that either doesn't really exist, or unfortunately exists everywhere. There is nothing that you state that is groundbreaking. Like the CEO of Walmart said. If 1% of employees are angry that comes to over 10,000 employees in number. Don't get overwhelmed by the scale of the numbers. It is still the exception and not the rule.
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>> posted by iceman on 8/14/2010 1:06:38 AM
like i said spoken like another white guy. if it is not happening to me then it cannot be happening. you ask how john was involved in the hiring of the yard manager, a tree rots from the top down. if the big boss is a racist then he hires people like himself. and as hands on as john is in the company i do not believe that he is blind to anything that happens in the company. and menards does have a track record of not reporting things that should be reported but that is only for their own benefit. john does not report solutions to the bbb because there usually is no attempt to come to a solution.
by the way i work in a company that has over 60k employees and we do not have a track record as bad as john. on the contrary we are regularly listed as one of the best companies in america to work for. like i said earlier john whoops i mean truth, try telling your corporate lines to the people out in the stores and see how many try to stomp you before you tell me how great menards is.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/14/2010 10:47:04 AM
Iceman, at the end of the day, after all the smoke has cleared, when all is said and done......there are so many team members that have worked at Menards for 10+ years. Last time I checked no one was locked in the stores or tied to their desks. They are free to go if they wish, but they stay. Why do you think that is?

If nothing else, I do admire your passion. Though it lacks direction or any factual evidence, it is a passion, and that is admirable.
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>> posted by iceman on 8/18/2010 7:29:06 PM
truth i only wish that i could live with my head stuck in the same cloud of smoke you live in, but unfortunately i have to live in the real world where sometimes people work where they are harassed and discriminated against because there is nowhere else to go or because they have been abused for so long that they are afraid to go anywhere else. you see, if you tell a person that they are worthless long enough they just might start to believe it. what i do wish is that you would come out and tell everyone on here what your real name is. John? Ramiro? Larry?
let the chips fall where they may but the fact remains that unless you are one of johns toadies, Menards is a ***** place to work and they sell substandard merchandise to a market obsessed with price and that market does not realize that just because it is cheap does not mean that it is a bargain. cya.
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>> posted by Truth on 8/18/2010 10:47:23 PM
So you're right and everyone else who shops Menards is wrong. All retailers in this industry have the same issues and complaints. Maybe selling home improvement is like selling used cars. No one can be trusted and everyone thinks he/she is being taken to the cleaners.

Nobody is afraid of leaving. A lot of people have done well for themselves and staying is a choice.

Anyway, enough of this for now. Hope everyone stays open minded.
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>> posted by iceman on 8/19/2010 10:00:05 PM
ok you win. menards is a great place to work and shop. they treat their employees with dignity and respect. they reward those who excel at their job and have a great benefit package. john is the nicest and most stand- up guy on the planet. larry was a swell guy who would talk you gently and understandingly about any mistakes you might make. he would even take time out of his busy schedule to train you in the proper and safe way to do things. ramiro would go out of his way to help you and would take every opportunity to see to it that you would succeed. ok enough of the tagline from dreamworld!
menards sells cheap crap made in china and taiwan.
john menard is a greedy, self serving and vindictive man.
menards has been sued for
discrimination
destruction of a protected stream
illegal dumping
stealing from workers by changing hours and not paying for earned vacation
illegal dumping of arsenic tainted ash(John himself earned one of he largest epa fines in WI history for this one)
unfair and illegal hiring practices(i know for a fact that john will not hire you if you have worked in a union shop or for any other home improvement store, i have seen that with my own eyes)
but i am wrong?
as far as selling home improvement being like selling used cars. home depot and lowes and ace hardware do not seem to have the image problem that menards has and they also do not seem to have the bbb rating of f either. i personally have known several employees of menards that were afraid to leave because they had been convinced that they were worthless and that menards would make sure that any prospective employer would hear that. i think that i am done with this subject now. i wish the best of luck to all the people on here who john and his cronies have screwed over. may you find productive and fulfiling jobs like i have. to all those who defend john menard: you have my sympathy, since john will eventually do to you as he has done to others. to the Truth, you write like an educated individual i hope that someday you will stop tilting at windmills. signing off.
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>> posted by Adam on 8/22/2010 10:51:42 PM
Iceman, Menards can only go up against so many people like yourself. They have made the last five years of my life hell and it is a ***** trying to find ground again. I too know that they will keep hammering down other people but have exhausted myself of trying to reach out. Even my own family still shops there as if I'm just not privelaged enough to do so myself! Like you said, it comes down to price. PEOPLE ARE CHEAP, JUST LIKE THE PRODUCT THEY BUY. I hate Menards and all of the bastards. AMERICA, drive them out of here!

Truth, you should let the BBB know that they are misinforming people. If they could give you a rating, would it be any different?

Robyn and Andy, F you.

MENARDS F YOURSELF
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>> posted by MD on 8/30/2010 8:09:50 PM
Realy, Adam. Oh brother! That's the best you could do?

I am a fan of Menards and I read this for kicks still after years. Wow. It's been years.

Most negative comes from second hand accounts of disgruntled Team Members, some current, most are of the Ex variety. Some of the positive comments are ramblings as well.

Bottom line. Like the company or not, Like John or not, Like me or any other commentator on this site or not and the truth still remains: John is a wise and successful business man. He, like all of us, has made some mistakes, but anyone posting comments either way would trade our troubles for his in a minute.

No doubt, John reads these. He laughs all the way to the bank thinking any press is good press. Our buddies at Lowes and Home Depot and just about every other retailer out there are suffering in this God-forsaken economy. Yet Menards is up in sales, up in profit again and again. Economy be dammed!

At Menards we work. John sees to it. We're pretty damn good at what we do too. This company might not be YOUR model company, but it's his. I'm proud to be able to support my family. I'm glad I don't have to worry about the affect of the economy on my job and I am thankful that God gave the work ethic to continue making this true.

Everyone, stop the nonsense. No one really cares.

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>> posted by Adam on 9/1/2010 6:49:01 PM
Good for you. You work at Menards and care about your family. Caring about your family doesn't make you a good man, you know. In the decency of man that is pretty much a given. What people will judge against you is that you don't care about others and THEIR families. You belittle people, just like Menards does.

I have a family too, _sshole. And I would not trade that for anything, like Menard has done. You are so wrong. If Menards has given you something that was unattainable before, then good for you. But what I see is a punk who thinks he's Menards-Certified to stomp around any way he pleases.

And, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR STATISTICS ABOUT THE PEOPLE POSTING? If I had to guess, I'd say that all positive comments are coming from disgruntled MENARDS WORKERS!
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>> posted by mayor on 9/1/2010 9:32:35 PM
The fact remains that if the story were untrue John has enough money and power to have it removed. Those were some pretty despicable things John did. I don't care how successful he is. He's a turd and turd's get no respect in my book.And he doesn't get my money either. No I don't care to trade my honor for his dishonor and I wouldn't care to be in his shoes when he meets his creator.He's the customer that's always right.

You are right MD nobody cares what you write,except me (you should have used effect). Hope you get a kick out of that!
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>> posted by MD on 9/2/2010 9:03:58 AM
Completely unsure of Adam's point.

You're right Mayor, it's effect. That one always get's me. I don't even care that you attack me or anyone else who is contrary to your opinion. After all, you have the right and you certainly exercise that right to it's fullest extent.

Nonetheless, It is what it is. I don't care and I can't believe you do, about all of the useles postings here. What began as good debate has evolved into silly backbiting and whining (see postings of Adam and others). I thought that's why you were smarter than to chime in with the less than useful comments over the past years. I actually have some respect for your postings and watch them because they are actually, even though I disagree, put together and have a point.

I do find it odd how easily you stray from your messages though and attack someone personally. You don't know me, but you act as you do. Don't think I am phased by the comments though. To the contrary, I rather enjoy them because they water down your other opinions to such a degree it renders them non-Effective.

Have a good one Mayor! I really have enjoyed this, but it's time to go to work.

Last quips for another year or more!

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