illustration by Joseph Adolphe
Paul’s father John Menard, the richest man in Wisconsin, had long loved racing. He had owned an Indy-car racing team for 25 years, beginning before Paul was born. Paul practically grew up on a racetrack, cutting his teeth on go-kart and ice boat racing. By age 8, he’d scored his first competitive win.
Tough competition was nothing new for Paul’s dad. John Menard had built his regional empire of home improvement stores one two-by-four at a time until it had more than $6.6 billion in annual sales and 37,000 employees. He’d also protected it from big-league interlopers Home Depot and Lowe’s, and between 1996 and 2007, his personal net worth grew from $775 million to $5.2 billion, according to Forbes magazine. Menards’ catchy slogan, “Save Big Money at Menards,” seemed to jingle relentlessly from every radio and TV, worming its way into the heads of shoppers across America’s heartland.
Racing spread the store’s name all the more. Team Menard Inc. won the Indy Racing League championship twice. Yet, in his black team jacket and cap, Menard looked more like a guy who shopped Menards than a man who had the highest tax bill of any American in 2002. On Forbes’list of the world’s billionaires, he ranks 155th. That’s well ahead of Herbert Kohler, Wisconsin’s second-richest man, whose estimated family wealth is $4.5 billion. Kohler had inherited the plumbing empire founded by his grandfather. Menard, the Eau Clare farm boy, had done it himself.
Empire building can be an all-consuming task, and John wasn’t always there after his son crossed the finish line. This time, Milwaukee Mile communications vice president Jim Tretow had seen John Menard hoot and holler when his son won. When the time came for a Victory Lane family photo celebrating Paul’s first win in 85 Busch starts, however, Paul’s girlfriend, mother and sister were there. His father was not. Those who know him say John was probably already on his way back to company headquarters in Eau Claire.
“He’s a loner. He’s normally by himself and just moves in and out of the shadows,” says Indianapolis Motor Speedway track historian Donald Davidson. Menard rarely gives interviews and refused to grant one for this article. Even those who know him well describe him in contradictory terms, as both hero and villain; the very model of a successful American entrepreneur; both brilliant and charming, yet also a foul-mouthed micromanager and a perfectionist who can be cruelly demanding with employees.
Even those closest to Menard are not sure what drives him. The state’s richest man may well be one of its least known.
The Beginning
John Robert Menard Jr. was born in 1940 in Eau Claire, the eldest of eight children. His parents were teachers – John Menard Sr., a University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire math professor; his mother, Rosemary, at St. James the Greater, a Catholic grade school. Before John entered high school, the senior Menard left the university and moved the family to the countryside to build one of the state’s largest dairy herds.
Like farm kids everywhere, John learned the value of hard work and frugality. But he hated the morning chores, fearing they left him smelling like the farm when he got to the local Catholic high school. He developed a habit of dousing himself with cologne, says one insider.
“There’s an independent streak that runs through the family and owning your own business has always been a big deal,” says his cousin Frank Watson. That ethic influenced John Jr., “but he was never interested in staying on the farm. He wanted to escape it,” Watson adds.
While John was still in high school, his father hired a company to build a pole barn, and John got a summer job working with the crew. After just two years of working with the pole barn company, John Menard hired his own crew and began selling pole buildings himself at the side of the road near his family’s farm. He worked days on his fledgling business, nights at a local movie theater. It was 1960 and he was just 20 years old.
“It was quite a struggle,” Larry Menard – John’s younger brother and Menards Inc. vice president and operations manager – said during an August 2006 arbitration hearing. “We didn’t have any money. It took until about 1964 when … we were able to sell a lot of asphalt shingles and things like that.” John’s pole building customers frequently asked to buy building materials because lumberyards were closed on weekends. John opened Menards Cashway Lumber to serve them, and upon graduation from college in 1963, turned down a job with IBM to build his own company.
“John always paid attention to the littlest details,” says a 1963 employee who stayed with Menards for more than 30 years. “In his lumber yard, he’d recycle scraps, like short pieces of two-by-fours that would have been garbage to other people. They were clean cut so they could be sold or made into treated tree rings.”
Scrap wood that couldn’t be sold was used for heat, after any nails were reclaimed using magnetic rollers. Today, the ex-employee adds, Menard heats most of the 60-plus buildings at his nearly 650-acre Eau Clare corporate headquarters by burning scrap pallets.
“John’s absolutely driven to maximize everything,” says Steve Kight, former managing director of Menard’s British racing engine company, Menard Engineering Ltd.
Menard quickly grew Cashway, adding a truss plant, operations for treating lumber, producing countertops, pre-hung doors, boards, steel and nails. By making some of the products he sold, he kept prices low. In 1972, he incorporated Menards Inc. and opened his first hardware store just in time to catch the building wave of do-it-yourselfers, according to industry analysts.
Like Wal-Mart, John Menard built a retail empire on having the cheapest price. The products he manufactured, including dog houses and picnic tables, accounted for about a quarter of the items sold. With no middleman to pay, Menard cut 10 percent off the cost of a steel door.
“We had a policy, we will never be beaten on price,” says former Wausau assistant store manager Norm Baumann, who worked for the company from 1996-2006. Menard had managers check competitor’s prices and count cars in their competitor’s lots over their lunch breaks. Menards would beat every price by at least a penny, and watch the traffic at competitor’s car lots dwindle.
“They comparison shop constantly,” says Bauman. If they couldn’t beat a price, Menard would order his managers to buy up a competitor’s entire supply of that product. Bauman recalls Home Depot selling oriented strand board, a plywood substitute, for much less. Menards managers would quietly buy trucks full of the competitor’s product. “I bought over two fork lifts of it myself, $4,000 worth,” Bauman recalls, “and when I got back to the store, they’d credit back the money.”
Menard would buy up a manufacturer’s overstock and rejects for pennies on the dollar. In the 1980s, “he bought ships full of Fiat tractor parts that had been refused by the customer who’d ordered them. John had them painted, got them put together, and we sold them,” recalls Steve Faber, who served the company for 19 years, including 15 as an Iowa store manager.
Menard’s wheeling and dealing produced an eccentric merchandise mix. “One year, we had truckloads of poinsettias” and another year Bumpy Diapers, says Ivan DenOuden, a former department manager in Mason City, Iowa. “We sold more diapers than the Target next door. There were all kinds of one-time buys. Gloves, candy, coffee. You made more money on that than lumber, where you had to sell 10 two-by-fours to make 50 cents because you competed against the other big boxes.”
The result was a unique shopping experience. “It’s entertainment. It changes every day. There are new treasures,” says Edward S. Archibald, who left the company two years ago after a 27-year tenure that included a decade and a half as a top executive. In 2004, Home Channel News magazine described Menard’s “treasure-hunt” mix of Home Depot, Dollar General and Wal-Mart. “Many Menards’ units have … the ambience of,
say, Kmart, circa 1978.” Yet, it said, “there were cutting-edge flourishes” its competitors lacked, including computerized kiosks that convert the dimensions of a proposed deck or garage into a shopping list of materials needed to complete it.
Tinkering with that mix in February, Menard added milk and groceries at some locations. “Anything they can make a buck on … They’re kind of the Wal-Mart of the home improvement industry,” says Scott Bropst, a Menards employee for 21 years and a store manager for 14.
Menards’ approach has its critics. “Popcorn and peanuts, all that crap at the checkouts, that’s a big mistake,” says Will Ander, senior partner of the Chicago retail consulting firm, McMillan/Doolittle
LLP. “They buy bulk peanuts by the truckload but they get stale. And as a shopper, I’m not very happy when the peanuts I buy are stale. It’s more important for Menards to focus on what it’s great at: home improvement.”
But the “junk in front” reinforces the image of a bargain-hunter’s paradise. The higher markups and steady sales for consumer goods may also cushion the impact of any slowdown in home sales, a problem that has recently hurt competitors Home Depot and Lowe’s.
In a September 2004 Federal Tax Court case, an IRS expert placed Menards’ return on assets at 14.2 percent compared to Home Depot’s 10.3 percent and Lowe’s 6.8 percent. In the same case, a financial analyst hired by John Menard, examined comparable retail chains and put Menards in the frugal bottom 10 percent for average debt. Menards built new stores without having to get a bank loan.
Like Wal-Mart, notorious for bullying manufacturers, Menards played hardball with suppliers. His buyers were “ruthless,” says Baumann. “I’d hear them on the phone and you’d never hear so much swearing in your life. They’d say, ‘I’ll buy this from you, so what are you going to give me for free?’”
In 1979, Menard invested in a $65,000 race car and hired a neighbor to drive it in the Indianapolis 500. It became a marketing vehicle for his stores and a way to shakedown suppliers. “He was absolutely a pioneer at leveraging shelf space to get sponsors for his Indy team,” says Eric Wright, research and development vice president for Joyce Julius and Associates, the most prominent sponsorship reporting service in racing. “You see it now with Lowe’s, Home Depot, Target and Best Buy, but he was way ahead of the curve.”
If you wanted shelf space at Menards, you were pushed to buy a racing sponsorship. Between 1997 and 1998, Glidden Paints spent nearly $4 million on Team Menard sponsorships; in 2002, Stanley Tools and Moen each paid around $1 million.
But “the primo advertising spot, the rear right fender, the area that the TV cameras grab most,” Menard saved for his own store, notes Milwaukee Mile’s Tretow. “His team was as much about marketing his Menards stores as it was about racing.”
One casualty of Menard’s tough negotiating was driver Andy Petree. Petree had won a pair of NASCAR championships as Dale Earnhardt’s crew chief, but struggled to find sponsors when he formed his own team. John Menard negotiated a three-year sponsorship contract that was not only a good deal for the company, but allowed his son Paul to advance his career by driving a Petree car. “John strong-armed me to a point where I probably should have said no,” Petree says now, explaining he was soon “at the financial breaking point.”
More crushing for Petree, in midseason, John took his millions and his son and joined forces with Dale Earnhardt Inc., the racing team run by Earnhardt’s widow. “It’s rare in the racing world for someone to break a contract the way he did, but when you’re John Menard, I guess you can do that,” says Petree, who spent the next 18 months laying off employees and liquidating assets. (He is now an analyst for ABC-ESPN’s 2007 NASCAR coverage.)
Menard’s negotiating ability is so renowned, says former Indianapolis 500 champion driver Eddie Cheever, that if Menard ever spent an hour lecturing on the topic, Cheever would be there. A former Menard racing partner, Cheever once spent an hour and half arguing with Menard over a $25 hotel bill, only to pay it himself.
Menards’ marketing strategy was three-pronged, beginning with a weekly circular that featured low-priced and even free goods like a 75-cent extension cord. By sending in a rebate coupon, customers got their name on Menards’ mailing list, and a coupon they could cash – on their next visit. The second prong was Menards’ ear-worm ads featuring freelance Wisconsin announcer Ray Szmanda and the slogan “Save big money at Menards.” The folksy Menards’ Guy became almost a cult figure.
The final prong became Menards’ racing sponsorships. His drivers and race cars would greet guests at grand-openings of new stores. Given the overlap between home improvement customers and racing fans, it was a natural fit, and Menard ended the 1980s with more than 45 stores in five states.
Retail War
By the early 1990s, Atlanta-based Home Depot, the country’s second-largest retailer after Wal-Mart, had its eye on the Chicago market. John Menard considered Chicago the heart of his territory, and he was determined to dominate in that market.
Without time to start from scratch, Menard converted an assortment of empty retail outlets. Bropst was assigned to the Lombard, Ill., store. There were reasons the stores Menard acquired had closed. In Lombard, “there were a lot of problems. Crime. Thugs. A ton of staffing problems. We got a lot of that cleaned up,” says Bropst.
Menards ended 1993 with $1.7 billion in sales, aided considerably by 18 new Chicago stores in three formats, ranging from small Hardware Plus outfits to super stores. When Home Depot opened its first Chicago store the following September, “we were ready and waiting,” Bropst says.
Home Depot entered another Menards stronghold, Milwaukee, in 1998. But the real competition remained in Chicago, hastening the demise of smaller regional chains Courtesy Home Centers, Builder’s Square and Handy Andy. Lowe’s entered the market in 1999. Historically, the companies Home Depot and Lowe’s had put out of business were the size of Menards. And the two giants did throw their weight around, pressuring manufacturers Kohler and DeWalt not to sell products to Menards, says Archibald.
For big box retailers, three’s a crowd, and the third-best is inevitably driven out of business, says Ander, the Chicago-based retail consultant. But in much of its 11-state region – Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakotas, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Missouri and Nebraska – Menards ranks first or second. It runs neck-and-neck with Home Depot in Chicago (each has around 30 stores) and dominates Minneapolis-St. Paul with 19 stores. In metro Milwaukee, Menards has nine stores, ahead of the five Lowe’s stores and second to Home Depot’s 12.
Home Depot’s return policy is the stuff of legend. In their book Built from Scratch, company founders Bernie Marcus and Arthur Black recounted how in the 1990s, a man tried to return a set of tires, even though Home Depot didn’t sell tires. The service desk employee called corporate headquarters for guidance. He was told to ask the customer how much he’d paid for the tires and to give him a refund. From that day on, the tires hung near the service desk, a reminder that the customer is always right. Home Depot worried less about theft and error than the lifetime value of the customer.
Menards’ policy was a sharp contrast, allowing no returns without a receipt. But pushed by Home Depot, by the mid 1990s, Menards policy had changed to “If we sell it, you take it back,” says Bropst.
As the competition heated up, Menard complained to the Council of Better Business Bureaus that Home Depot’s ads in both Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul – which suggested Menards sold inferior merchandise – were “blatantly” false. In 2003, Menards sued Home Depot, alleging it “ripped off” his company’s flyers and posted them in its stores. The dispute went to mediation before a federal magistrate and was settled in Menards’ favor for a small cash amount.
Things went more smoothly on the race track. Menard’s team won the Indy Racing League championship in 1997 and again in 1999. Perhaps giddy with victory, he suddenly opened up to the media, even confessing to a national publication that he fantasized about driving his race car over Home Depot’s CEO.
In 1999, Advertising Age hailed Menards “excellence in brand building” in “going head-to-head with Home Depot.” Menard was named one of the publication’s 100 marketing marvels.
Menard found another way to beat his rivals. He paid himself $20.6 million in 1998, three times more than the Lowe’s CEO and seven times more than Home Depot’s. “In his world, everything is measured by your bank account,” says a former high-level corporate exec who asked for anonymity. “He kept telling me, ‘It’s a game and I’m winning.”
For years, Lowe’s had stayed out of the Midwest market, partly because Menards was so strong and has very loyal customers, says industry analyst Keri Spanbauer of Thrivent Financial for Lutherans, a major investor in Home Depot and Lowe’s. Rumors circulated that Lowe’s would acquire Menards, but instead, it moved into Chicago in 1999 and Milwaukee in 2005.
“Increasingly, new stores cannibalize sales at a chain’s existing stores or they bump heads with a competitor,” Spanbauer says. A Merrill Lynch report last summer put the U.S. retail home improvement industry at 85 percent saturation.
And Home Depot is having problems. In December 2000, the company named a new CEO, Robert Nardelli, who had no retail experience. When Menard heard the news, he was salivating, says Archibald. “John called me up and said, ‘let’s go have the most expensive steak in town and celebrate.’”
Customer service deteriorated under Nardelli, and he was let go earlier this year. Analysts say the company still has leadership issues, an antiquated inventory control system and stores that look tired and disorganized.
By contrast, the Lowe’s management team is considered top notch. Its stores are newer, cleaner and offer a shopping experience emphasizing the fashion element of home improvement that women particularly like. “Lowe’s has become a much stronger competitor,” says Spanbauer.
The number of do-it-yourself customers is declining, experts say, prompting Home Depot and Lowe’s to offer their own installers. “Let’s build something together,” as the voiceover by actor Gene Hackman declares in Lowe’s ads. “You can’t just sell items any more,” says Ander. “You’ve got to sell solutions.”
But Menards staunchly protects its relationship with its first and most profitable customer, contractors. It doesn’t want to take business from them. Instead, it provides customers with a list of private contractors.
Menard also clings to his mantra, “Save Big Money with Menards,” even as the original low-price leader, Wal-Mart, has begun to question whether an obsession with price still works, given its slowing sales growth.
In 2004 and 2005, while Lowe’s and Home Depot downsized and focused on opening smaller, 80,000- to 100,000-square-foot urban stores, Menard super-sized his new stores. He built a mammoth two-story store in St. Paul, Minn., complete with a moving walkway that carries customer’s carts – past a baby grand piano and plasma screens advertising specials – to the second level. In Duluth, Minn., he opened the mother of all home improvement big boxes, a 250,000-square-foot behemoth, more than twice the size of a typical Home Depot. Menard expanded kitchen and bath vignettes and added an appliance showroom and garden center to his already extensive product lines.
The company plans more monster stores. It’s a big gamble, industry observers say, but it might also assure the company’s survival.
Menard has meanwhile lost the marketing edge he once enjoyed with racing sponsorships. Home Depot, not Menards, is the “Official Home Improvement Warehouse of NASCAR.” In 2005, Home Depot – with former Menards driver Tony Stewart – captured NASCAR’s top prize, the Nextel Cup championship, then Lowe’s won the crown in 2006. This translates into millions of dollars worth of publicity. Last year, the value of Menards’ racing-circuit exposure was worth $22.2 million, estimates sponsorship expert Eric Wright. But Home Depot’s was worth $98.6 million and Lowe’s was $143.6 million.
Perhaps not-so-coincidentally, by 2006, Home Depot had annual sales of $81.5 billion and more than 2,000 stores in the U.S., Mexico, Canada and Puerto Rico. Lowe’s sold $43 billion at 1,250 stores in 49 states. A distant third, Menards’ 2005 sales revenue was an estimated $6.5 billion from 211 stores, according to industry analyst Dunn and Bradstreet.
Still, Lowe’s and Home Depot saw total same-store sales slump in 2006, while Menards enjoyed record profits.
Ruling by Intimidation
John Menard earned his college degree in business, but he once told a top Menards officer that his minor in psychology was far more important, because “how you treat people” was the key to his success.
His style is suggested by an innocuously titled pamphlet, Grow with Menards, which details the company’s standard operating procedure. It was inspired by Larry Menard’s Army experience during the Vietnam crisis, he told an arbitrator last August. To this day, Larry said, that booklet “is basically our rule book.”
Menards managers must sign a work agreement in which they consent to pages of rules and penalties: They are fined $10 if there are more than 15 carts in the parking lot, $100 a minute if a store opens late, $10 if a customer doesn’t pick up a special order within 10 days. With military-like discipline, a manager’s absences are tightly
controlled, and suggestions to a superior are not welcome.
The rules also reflected the personality of a man who started with nothing and succeeded by pinching pennies. “That company’s his life and when he feels someone is taking money out of his pocket, he just goes nuts,” says Kight, the ex-director of Menard’s racing engine business. The National Home Center News,a New York-based trade publication, quoted vendors describing Menard as “‘tenacious,’ ‘frightening,’ ‘entrepreneurial’ and ‘paranoid’ all in the same breath.”
Managers are prohibited from building a home, even if they purchase the construction materials elsewhere. It’s a measure to
prevent employee theft, John Menard once told the media. The penalty is termination.Even minor building projects concerned him. On numerous occasions, former managers say, Menard hired private investigators to take photos when an employee added a deck or addition, then had internal examiners cross-reference the materials in the photos with items the employee had purchased, looking for products that had been stolen.
The most infamous casualty of this policy was Eldon Helget, a lumber yard manager for Menards’ Burnsville, Minn., store. Helget’s daughter was confined to a wheelchair and the narrow hallways in the Helget home made it difficult to get around. She was getting too big for her mother Linda to carry her up the stairs, and because the bathroom couldn’t accommodate her wheelchair, the girl had no privacy. When the Helgets could find no home that met their needs, they decided to build from scratch.
But Helget’s boss, Larry Menard, said there were no exceptions to the company rule. Helget, who had a stellar 13-year record with the company, could resign his post and take a lower-level job, Larry said. That meant a $15,000 cut in his $40,000 salary, but Helget still agreed.
The Helgets hired a contractor to build a ramp-equipped home, using building materials from another company. When John Menard heard about the deal, he fired Helget. The company notified Helget that if he ever showed up on its property again, he’d be arrested for trespassing.
“John would say, ‘Why make a rule if you’re not going to enforce it?’” Archibald recalls, adding “sometimes, you have to cut throats. That’s how business works.”
Helget’s story found its way into the Minneapolis Star Tribune.A columnist called Menards’ policy, “something exhumed from the Bronze Age with all its primitive logic intact.” The story continued a second day when a local lumberyard offered Helget a job. The Helgets were elated – until they discovered Eldon’s contract with Menards barred him from working for a competitor for a year.
This rule came from Menard’s concern that his trade secrets might be revealed. Indeed, he refused to hire former Home Depot or Lowe’s employees for fear the person might be a spy.
Linda Helget phoned Menard to plead with him to relent. “He said we could find a house in another town, but all our friends and family are here. He thought he was a real stud muffin the way he talked and I said ‘who are you to tell us where to live?’ I told him ‘someday I hope a train runs you over and cuts your legs off.’’
TheNational Enquirertrumpeted the story to the rest of the country. The Helgets filed a wrongful firing claim against Menards; their attorney Edwin Sissam took the Menard brothers’ depositions. Sissam had expected John Menard to be a sophisticated businessman in a wool suit. Instead, he got “a cowboy in jeans with his shirt partially unbuttoned and a chain around his neck,” he says.
“It was clear Mr. Menard is very, very secure in himself. His body language, his mannerisms, answering questions when he wasn’t asked; not answering them when he was,” Sissam says. “Most companies with an employee with a disabled daughter would want to be behind the family … But John Menard had this attitude, ‘Who the hell is telling me how to run my company?”
The Helgets took Menards’ second settlement offer, “somewhere between $1 and $50,000,” says a source close to the case, which was settled in 1992.
In his quest to run things his way, Menard was the ultimate micromanager, employees say. “There’s an emotional youthfulness and wonder about him – like a kid having fun – and then he says, ‘wait a minute, I can’t control that,’ and he tries to control absolutely everything,” says Kight.
Menard often goes through the mail of his top executives and tirelessly reads through customer complaints, former insiders say, looking for problems or hints that an employee gave something away at his expense.
The Menard brothers are notorious for dressing down employees. In the arbitration case last August, former Menards assistant store manager Cory Lickiss testified under oath that the day before he resigned, Larry Menard had called him a “f-cking retard” in front of 15 customers and many employees.
“We used to joke when a letter came from headquarters that it would start with either “What the F…” or “Why the F…,” says former manager Bropst.
Corporate keeps a close eye on sales per customer per area, Larry Menard testified last August. Menards hired secret shoppers to evaluate service, a typical retail tactic, but it also had an extensive crew of merchandising and operations people who flew out of Eau Claire on six company airplanes seven days a week. Others hit the road in Menards’ fleet of cars to do inspections.
If John Menard was in a given city, he’d do his own, often in a crude, but unintentional, disguise. His hair color could be red, golden brown or shoe-polish black, says a former insider, explaining that one of Menard’s ex-girlfriends owns a salon. “She’s not a gifted colorist, but the price was right.”
The home office monitored every store’s security cameras for at least an hour a day. “We can see team members doing their job well or not doing their job,” Larry Menard told the arbitrator. “We can see too many carts, not enough carts. We can see lines at registers and do corrective action.” The result was often a blizzard of memos to store managers, insiders say.
Menards was adamant about keeping a union out of its stores. “When I was promoted to assistant general store manager, the first thing I had to do was go to a one-and-one-half-day seminar in Eau Claire about fighting unions,” says Baumann. “If a person had ever worked in a union shop, you couldn’t hire them.” Bropst was forced to fire two promising management trainees because they’d been baggers at a unionized grocery store while in high school.
Under Menards policy, managers would see their pay cut by 60 percent if their store became unionized, notes Iowa ex-manager Faber. And the pay for managers was generous: $80,000 to $200,000 a year with bonus and profit-sharing included. It was particularly good, given that more than half of Menards managers hadn’t graduated from college, Larry Menard testified.
But the corporate culture “just beat you down and made you feel you’re replaceable, and that you had no other options,” says Bropst. Most store managers haven’t lasted long enough to retire, insiders say.
Managers have to make do with very lean staffing. In 1996, the industry’s Home Channel News magazine called Menards’ staffing “remarkably frugal,” with 52 employees per store, including headquarters personnel, compared to Home Depot’s 195. Menards store managers make an annual pilgrimage to Eau Claire to “negotiate” their store’s budget, but couldn’t budge the number much, managers say.
Some budget-squeezed managers could be so short staffed, they had trouble meeting demands headquarters placed upon them. Managers who questioned the rules might do worse. All Menards managers must sign an agreement requiring them to go to arbitration – not the courts – if they have a dispute with the company. Moreover, they’d have to pay their own attorney’s fees and half the cost of the arbitrator, even if Menards was found at fault.
When an even more draconian clause was added later, Faber, the former Iowa store manager, questioned it and drew Larry Menard’s ire. The new dictate required that managers pay a $200 deductible if a delivery driver they hired was in a traffic accident. Faber testified later that Larry told him he’d “hire someone younger” who would probably do a better job for less money if Faber didn’t want the job.
“Questioning their policy was the beginning of the end,” Faber says now. Company audits soon began finding problems with how he operated his store.
Ultimately, Faber, a 20-year veteran of Menards who was then 48, was replaced by a 29-year-old. Faber was offered a demotion in a different city. He refused the transfer and filed an age discrimination complaint, but lost.
Talking to the arbitrator, Larry Menard described the company’s practice of demoting managers as a benevolent act, reserved for high-potential individuals who “have kind of gone astray” and needed time to reflect and “get their act back together.”
Menards offers the targeted employee another job, but always for less pay, at a lower rank, in a different city, so the employee must uproot his or her family.
Bropst, too, had dared to question an order, this time from John Menard.
“That was the beginning of the end of my career with them,” he says.
Larry Menard told Bropst he’d have to move. “They offered me another new store in Wilmer, Minn., and said ‘take it or leave it,’” he recalls. “I was nearly 40 years old and I figured it was time to stand up for myself … or I’d dance their tune forever.” Bropst quit.
When Bropst became the manager of a competitor’s crosstown store a few months later, Menards sued. “They wanted $25,000 from me for my non-complete clause.” Bropst spent $4,000 in legal fees, eventually getting the
case dismissed.
But Menard came back seeking an injunction against Bropst. “They tried to sue me for soliciting their employees,” he says. At that point, Bropst says, his new employer said “you’ve got a store to run,” and it joined in his defense. When Bropst showed up in court with the 50 applications he’d received over the Internet from Menards employees, the judge dismissed the complaint. And with his employer’s legal team involved, Menards’ suits stopped.
Bropst recounts horror stories of how other employees were handled.
One involved a North Dakota Menards store manager. The manager’s wife had triplets that came early and required special attention at the University of Minnesota Medical Center. The manager spent a small fortune on plane fare commuting back and forth. He still worked 35 to 40 hours, but his contract required a minimum of 55 a week, so his weekly pay dropped from $1,000 to $500 or $600, Bropst says. “Two of the babies didn’t make it, and John (Menard) fined him $2,000 [out of his bonus] because he had to bury two of his kids and didn’t put in 55 hours those two weeks.”
“John expects his employees to be like him,” says former Menards exec Archibald. “The company has to come first; families get in the way.”
But Archibald adds, “In John’s defense, the few times he has fallen for someone’s sorry-ass excuse, they’ve stabbed him in the back and left the job anyway.”
Most observers suggest those occasions have been rare, however. More often, Menard gets outraged at those who question how he runs the company he built. It’s about power, Archibald says. “Whatever he does, he does it because he can.”
The Price of Success
Edward Archibald served Menards for 27 years, including 15 years as its top merchandizing and marketing executive. Former company insiders describe him as John Menard’s “right-hand man.” But two years ago, John Menard accused him of taking a kickback from a supplier. Archibald demanded proof, he says, and when none was provided, walked out and never returned.
“I still love John like a brother,” Archibald swears, but he couldn’t stomach his treatment. “After 27 years, I expected more.”
Archibald and three other former Menards’ executives (two of whom asked for anonymity) offer a portrait of a boss whose great wealth hasn’t necessarily brought him happiness.
In 2002, Menard owed more in personal federal income tax than any other American: $228 million on $593 million in adjusted gross income. Menards Inc. had become an S-Corporation, where profits are passed on to owners and taxed at their personal tax rate, and John Menard owned 88.7 percent of the company.
Menard is not known as a philanthropist. “He doesn’t go for all these foundations and write-offs,” offers former Eau Claire state senator Dave Zien.
Greater Eau Claire Area Chamber of Commerce President Robert S. McCoy says Menard does support Regis High School, a Catholic school. “He’s probably done things people don’t see,” McCoy speculates.
Eau Claire’s city fathers would love to have “The Menard Center,” a civic and convention hub funded by the entrepreneur, but as Menard’s cousin Watson says, “I don’t see why John needs another building with his name on it; he’s already got over 200.”
Menard is frugal at home, too. He lives down the block from his brother, Larry, in the 1972 ranch he shared with his second wife, Paula Christine, and their three kids, J.R. (John R. Menard III), Paul C. and Molly C., until the couple divorced in 1993. The 11-room, one-story wood home has five bedrooms, three baths, two fireplaces and a property assessment of $425,000. It’s equipped with a big screen TV, and in the basement, a model railroad setup that “looks like something you see in the movies,” says Dominic Giuffre, who once tried to buy the Milwaukee Mile with John Menard. A former Menards exec calls the train set “John Menard’s perfect world,” because “he controls everything. Nothing moves without his approval.”
Menard’s divorce was triggered after Paula started taking tae kwon do classes, and John objected, and Paula objected to that. So says Archibald, who added that he’s spent more time with John Menard in the past 15 years than Menard’s own family has.
Paul, the race car driver, now 26, moved to North Carolina to get out of his father’s shadow, says Archibald. J.R., 28, and Molly, 23, work for Menards. All three have trust funds filled with Menards stock. Additional IRS cases show the Paul C. Menard 1985 Trust had a 2002 taxable income of $30.4 million; Molly’s trust, $4.5 million.
The end of John’s first marriage was messier, and John’s relationship with his two children from it, 43-year-old Renee and 40-year-old Christopher, is rockier. Archibald says the children have “never forgiven their father for having an affair with another woman while he was married to their mother.”
Menard had an out-of-wedlock daughter named Michelle, 39, who changed her last name to Menard and worked for the company for awhile.
Both Christopher and Renee worked for Menards, but when they were old enough – in their mid-30s – “they cashed their stock options and got $15 to $20 million in 1990 dollars and walked away,” says Archibald. Sources say Renee has rarely let Menard see his grandchildren by her. [Reached by phone, Renee laughed and said “No. No,” when asked to discuss her father. Milwaukee Magazinewas unable to reach the other Menard children.]
“John’s trying to buy off his younger children, so they won’t leave him, like the older ones did,” Archibald says. Within a few years, he says, the youngest will be eligible to start receiving money from their trust funds, but paid out in 10 annual installments instead of one lump sum.
“John Menard’s first, second and third true loves are Menards Inc. Everything – including his family – comes after that,” says Kight.
Adds Archibald, “He’s been a failure when it comes to his family, when it comes to relationships. He’s had six children by three women, married and divorced
two of them. And two long-running girlfriends, Darla [the hairstylist] and Debbie, an attorney.”
In late 2006, Menard broke up with his fiancée, Debbie, just two weeks after firing her sister, the company’s general counsel of 10 years, Dawn Sands. (Dawn Sands has filed an arbitration action against the company and declined to comment.)
Perhaps the closest relationship Menard ever had was with Indy racing driver Scott Brayton, who raced for Team Menard for four years. Brayton was quoted calling Menard “one of my dearest friends.” He would call Menard at home late at night and they’d talk for hours, Indy historian Davidson says.
But Scott died at age 37 in a 1996 crash at Indianapolis. Menard was at the racetrack, and comforted Lee Brayton, Scott’s father. Menard didn’t leave Lee’s side until after Scott’s wife and mother arrived. “John was very, very good to the family. He and others, Firestone, the Speedway, Dale Earnhardt Sr., Roger Penske, they contributed a lot of money for a scholarship for [Scott’s 2-year-old daughter] Carly,” Lee Brayton says.
Menard later hired Scott’s widow, Becky, to do public relations for his racing team, and allowed her to work from home.
But this sort of compassion was rare, his associates say. Menard’s style is suggested by how he paid people: As company president and CEO, his $20.6 million pay in 1998 included a bonus equal to 5 percent of the company’s before-tax profit, an arrangement he instituted in 1973.
Compensation for Menards’ other corporate officers, revealed in the company’s 1998 tax case, showed a massive drop from the CEO’s salary: operations manager Larry Menard at a $45,000 base salary and $180,000 bonus; John’s son, Christopher, then still with the company as corporate secretary and Eau Clare distribution center manager, at $172,815; Marvin Prochaska, head of real estate, at $121,307, and chief financial officer and treasurer Earl Rasmussen with $55,702.
A 2002 tax filing showed Menard owned 100 percent of the company’s voting stock and 56 percent of its nonvoting stock. Trusts named after Menard and his family members held the remaining shares.
None of Menard’s children want to take over their father’s business. John, now 67, had “a serious health scare,” a “prostate problem,” Archibald and others say, but he’s reportedly recovered.
Ander, the retail consultant, says that Menards Inc. has succeeded through strong leadership by “a benevolent dictator.” But after the dictator’s gone, “does the culture survive?” Ander asks. “Does the company?”
John Menard has made it clear his 33-year-old nephew Charlie Menard, Larry’s son, will be his successor. Menard named the race car driver (on the regional Midwest circuit), who’s never worked outside of the family firm, chief operating officer in 2005.
“He’s the only one that wants it, but he’s not capable,” says a former high-ranking executive. Former Menards executives describe Charlie as “a computer geek” and “a nice guy” who lacks the business and people skills to run the company.
“If they continue to mimic what’s being done today, they could survive a long time,” Archibald says, likening the company to great race car. Anyone can drive it, Archibald says, until it crashes. “When it comes to decisions about how far to expand, John had a wisdom that these people don’t.”
But it may not matter who becomes the next CEO. When John goes, Archibald predicts, Menards “is going to go up for sale and the kids will split up the proceeds.” If the new owner takes Menards’ concept nationwide, he adds, “they will eat Home Depot’s and Lowe’s lunch.”
Others are not sure. Can you separate the Menard concept from John Menard? He has controlled every aspect of the company since he started it. And it’s brought him extraordinary success, but has it brought contentment? Happiness isn’t as easily controlled.
“That’s the toughest question,” says former Menard engineering director Kight. “When he gets happy, I think he struggles with that. He distrusts that.”
And what does he trust?
“John’s life is his business,” Archibald says. “That’s it.”
Mary Van de Kamp Nohl is a senior editor at Milwaukee Magazine.
Sidebar:
Arsenic and Old Waste
John Menard’s many environmental violations.
John Menard and his company have had more run-ins with the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) than any other Wisconsin company, state justice department lawyers wrote in a complaint against Menard in 2005. DNR officials have cited Menards at least 13 times since 1976 for ignoring or violating state regulations related to air and water pollution and hazardous waste.
The company has had environmental problems in other states, too.
• In 1994, Wisconsin obtained a civil judgment against Menards for the unlicensed transportation and disposal of ash produced by incinerating CCA-treated lumber. Wood treated with CCA contains chromium, copper and arsenic – a known carcinogen. It is considered hazardous waste and requires proper disposal in a licensed landfill. The company was fined $160,000.
• In 1997, John Menard was caught using his own pickup truck to haul plastic bags filled with chromium and arsenic-laden wood ash to his own home for disposal along with his household trash. Menard pleaded no contest to felony and misdemeanor charges involving records violations, unlawful transportation and improper disposal of hazardous waste. Menard and his company were fined $1.7 million for 21 violations.
• In 2003, the Minnesota attorney general charged that Menards manufactured and sold arsenic-tainted mulch in packaging labeled “ideal for playgrounds and for animal bedding.” Warning labels from the CCA-treated wood were found in the mulch. The EPA recommends that CCA-treated wood not be converted into mulch. The case is still pending.
• In 2005, Menards agreed to a $2 million fine after Wisconsin DNR officials found a floor drain in a company shop that they believed was used to dump paint, solvents, oil and other waste into a lagoon that fed into a tributary of the Chippewa River. The sanction broke the previous record fine of $1.7 million set by Menard in 1997.
• In 2006, the construction of a $112 million warehouse became a campaign issue in the Wisconsin governor’s race. The warehouse was to be erected by filling in a .6-acre bean field the DNR considers a seasonal wetland used by migrating tundra swans. Menards offered to build a wetland more than twice its size as a replacement, but was rejected by Scott Humrickhouse, a DNR regional director. Humrickhouse said that solution could be used “only when every alternative for saving the original wetland was exhausted.” The increasingly heated dispute got considerable media coverage, with a DNR warden calling Menard’s general counsel a “legal bitch” and the company threatening to move jobs out of Wisconsin. Tempers seemed to cool after Gov. Jim Doyle arranged $4.2 million in state aide to help the company expand its Eau Claire manufacturing headquarters. Menard had previously contributed $20,000 to Doyle’s campaign.
Also in 2006: The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency issued an administrative order against Menards for damaging a Sioux Falls, S.D., stream that ran through its property by filling in 1,350 linear feet of the stream and replacing it with a 66-inch storm sewer pipe.
362 Comments
I worked for Menards for 25 years. From 1995 to 2004 I worked as a Buyer in the corporate office. I like many was suddenly re-assigned to another position that paid 65 percent less. I turned this down and left the company. The real reasons why this occured are unknown. This article is very accurate portrayal of the corporate culture at Menards.
Why haven't I heard any thing about this before. I LIke to concider myself a well informed person, and if I haven't seen this, how many other people are out there unaware of the horrible things this John Menards has done? I just think that this is awful and why hasn't something more been done about him? Thank you for the informative information and you have helped me change my view on where I shop for hardware needs.
FYI, Menards requires its employees to pay for all breakages or losses that are their fault. They also deduct fines from managers weekly paychecks as punishment for various things like leaving signs up. Anyone in the State of Minnesota who works for or has worked for Menards is entitled to twice of any amount taken from their paychecks including deductions for Uniforms. To do this all you need to do is take them to small claims court.
I'm really confused about this article. John is what has made the company great. It is an awesome company to work for and for the past 16 years, I have watched it grow into something that Home Depot and Lowes fear intently. I know it's success is due to it's unique structure and founder. I understand that not all ex-employees of any company are going to be entirely happy with the circumstances surrounding their seperation. However, for every one ex-employee who was quoted in this article, I could find 10 current employees who would offer considerably more favorable views of Menards and John himself. I also know that the company is in very capable hands if and when John were to decide to leave (which I assure you is not in the forseeable future). The unnamed person quoted with regards to the capablities of future leaders of Menards obviuosly has no knowledge of those leaders. Don't be fooled, Menards is here to stay.
I work at Menards and any voice of concern or question regard Menards policies is quickly shut down. If an employee seems unhappy they are quickly fired or scared into thinking they will be fired. Menards is the best example of how modern companies get around labor protection laws designed to protect employees. Most employees I know are very unhappy with their jobs but are much to fearful of losing their jobs to speak up and make things better.
On a side note I have heard that Home Depot, although not the best place to work for, provides much better pay, pays for uniforms and badges and provides their employees with a voice in the company.
what's the big deal, take a look at our goverment and all the bad things they do. John worked and is doing what he wants......and i will continue to go there and get my things ......at least he didnt fly over a few states with loaded nuclear material......now that, i think was a big dangerous mistake....who was responsible...Our beloved protectors.....is John out there making wars and getting our kids killed........duh?
Managers are forbidden from building their own homes, as protection against the possibility that they may steal building materials. And private investigators have been hired to check whether employees who undertake even minor home-improvement projects are using pilfered supplies....... I know of a guy and his crew that all built homes from a local lumber yard and supplies that they slowly but steadly stole..they are all old and gone now. but i understand why John forbids this....I dont blame him.....we are a Christian country, but we still are sinners...he didnt get were he is by giving to charities......i dont blame him there either......I use to give to my church....but when i saw we paid a womans electric bill.......and saw her coming out out of wal mart with a boy friend...beautiful fake finger nails and smoking like a hot shot in her car.......while her electric bill was paid by some of my tithes.....I said Sorry Lord..but i will give were i see fit....you go John boy.......no one knows what is in your heart..........
I guess Charlie Menard won't be the future leader of the Menard empire. John fired him 2 days after Charlie's wedding on Oct 20. Heck of a wedding gift. I worked at Menard's HQ for almost 3 years and it is a tough place to work but can be rewarding if you can deal with the culture and have little fear of loosing teh job or leaving for better lands at the drop of a hat
To expand with the posting from Kirby Mole. Charlie Menard had invited vendors who happened to be good friends of his to his own wedding. This apparently got John so mad that John confronted his nephew Charlie at his wedding reception. Charlie understandibly got upset and either told John to leave or something similar, so John fired the number 2 guy of Menards a billion dollar company at his wedding reception. The formal announcement was not until the following Monday 2 days later What a Mickey Mouse CEO and organization and by far John Menards has to be the cheapest Billionaire on the planet. If there is a way, John Menard will try to take his money with him and buy the biggest coffin there is to fit it all in there. Actually John will recycle the arsenic laden wood and probably build his own coffin and get his vendors to pay for the manufacturing of it.
I can tell you that I will continue to do my part by taking my business somewhere else. I have never really choosen to shop at Menard's because of the abuse within his company. I hope that someday Mr. John Menard can someday feel the pain that he has caused so many people out there. I would also like to see the man spend the due time in jail that he deserves for the illegal business practices. He should probably make Governor Doyle his new COO siince Doyle's already on his payroll. Menard is a CROOK.
EVERY company utilizes those practices. most corporate loads more than menards for sure.
The vendors typically play a role at schmoozing their relations and typically have corrupt corporate personell. John Menard simply identified that and addressed it and now they gave their enormous wedding gifts in vain to an individual.
smart really, if you think about it.
Also, working for menards has been one of the best jobs I've ever had.
After reading this article, I can honestly say that I will NEVER step foot in a
Menards again! We have enough environmental contamination in our country as it is, and why anyone on this planet would want to work for such a jerk is well beyond me. This man has no heart and does not deserve to have ANYONE shop there. John, in the business world, word of mouth can either be your best friend, or your worst enemy. I hope this article is read all over the Midwest. I, like most Americans, treasure the earth that we have, and we certainly do not need someone like you to contaminate it.
All empires fall at the end. I worked there for a little bit more than a year, and it took me two months to understand that Menards is not a good place to be. Is like being in the past, in some kind of obscure cult, you can think, you can talk, you can disagree, you can even work. They do not train any body, they do not pay you well, they do not give you the tools to do your job, their say is "get it done" even if it cost you your life. If you need a pencil, they wait until a vender gave them examples to give it to you. Some of their managers are allowed to insult you and say the F Word all de time at you, and if you are a woman do not even waste your time breathing, you're stupid, even when you have more than 10 years of experience in your field, two diplomas, and speak and write two languages. I can spend my day talking about the horrible things about this company, but thank god I am out of there. The only positive thing is their wonderful -still oppressed- people that work there under their retarded management and leadership.
thanks for writing this expose. it is refreshing to see a member of the press out there getting the real story. john menard is merely the tip of the iceberg that has become american business. a few people at the top of the food chain harvest all the wheat and leave the chaff for everyone else. i honestly don't know when this evil disease of pernicious greed is going to stop. capitalism is still the best system of allocating the scarce resources with the proviso that those who are in control have not sold their souls for the god almighty dollar. i am a student of history and i remember a quote from many year's ago: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely! i will pray that john menard see's the light.
this is messed up how he treats people
i worked for menards from 1995-2003. The job only pays well if you want to be in management and put up with all the b.s. and you are single and willing to work the minimum 55 hours. If those of you still working there could only figure out that having weekends off and working 40-45 hours a week, your entire outlook on life changes for the better. I left and within 2 years of leaving i was able to get my salary back to what i was making at menards. but i would not go back there ever to work. I have personally seen larry menard clean off a desk in a rage and then tell a part time kid to clean it up. Dictatorship is the perfect word when explaining menards. You can express your ideas but make sure you put them so john can think he came up with it. Heaven forbid these billionaire owners ever think about giving extra money to an employee to their 401k or what have you, more than what the employee has earned as a good gesture and a "thank you" for your hard work. There is no gray area when it comes to the policies from menards. I remember getting fined 25 cents per missing price tag out of my bonus. Even if there were 2 stacks of the item and only one had a price tag you got fined. I definately do not shop there anymore
I see everyone complain that they dont get thanks from John Menard. Is it possable that the one that complains does not deserve praise? I shop at Menards weekly and have for years. I have yet to see anyone breaking back to get anything done. In fact its hard to get help some days. I see lots of hanging out and not much helping customerts. If I were John I would not praise for mediocor work. And neither would any of you.
I worked for Menards Inc. for 16 years. I worked in Sales and the Front Office. Although I believe there is room for improvements it is a good place to work for the right person.
Those with no families and no friends.
I had the 'pleasure' of being a security supervisor at the headquarters and distribution center in EC from late 06 to early 07. The best way to describe how cheap Menard was to look at the company vehicles. Although the executive cars were nice, the trucks used by the Facilities office were more than 10 years old. The truck used by the security officers would break down constantly- it was a 97 Dodge pickup that had more new or replacement parts than the original parts. One time during a snowstorm the truck broke down on a Sunday morning and my officer had to walk close to a mile back to the Facilities office to get a different truck. And the replacement was an Isuzu truck with a rear gate that was rusted off!
As for being paranoid, Menard had two seperate security companies on site so they could "watch" each other. Security officers were unable to fraternize with any Menard employee away from the site, and if an officer previously worked for any home improvement or hardware store, they could not be placed at the HQ or DC.
The best laugh I had while working there was walking into the General Office. The richest man in Wisconsin had his office in a large, ranch-style building with a bay window at the end. With the long hallways on both ends and the small offices with paper thin walls, it felt like walking into an older, suburban style medical office than the HQ doe the third largest home-improvement chain in the US!
Hey "Deuce"! Ever think that's how the guy became successful in the first place. When you don't inherit fame and fortune, Frugality and conservatism is the only way to get there.
Let's face it, the folks who despise John, who are taking time to comment negatively to this article, (including obviously the author of this article)-
A- are jealous of John and secretly envy him
B- Didn't work well enough to deserve continued employment.
C- Don't know him enough to make these judgements.
D- All of the above.
Give the guy the respect that he deserves. No, he's not a saint. Not many of those saint-like billionaires out there are there?
i work for him. i dont even know what to say. im just a college kid trying to get work to make it through and now i feel bad that i work there because of how he has treated his other employees.
I worked for Menards twice from 1994 to 2002 working my way up to a buyer at the corporate office. In November of 2002 I left the company after having dinner with a sales rep from one of Menards vendors. A company whose multi-million dollar program I had taken to another company because it saved Menards over 500,000 dollars a year in product costs. John; who happened to be having dinner at the table next to us with his brother Larry and son J.R., declared that I had violated one of his multitudes of company policies; rather than argue with him, I left the company.
In June of this year, I agreed to re-join the company; on the Midwest Manufacturing side, as transportation manager for their new Dc in Ohio. Four months later I was ordered fired, not because of job performance but because my name came up at a board meeting on October 16 and John remembered that dinner five years ago and decided that agreeing to re-hire me was the wrong thing to do. He told my bosses to get rid of me. I have since accepted a new position at twice the pay, 40 hours per week vs. 60 - 65 and benefits that Menards could never dream of offering.
Menards has a great concept and a lot of excellent dedicated employees. They also have two leaders in John and Larry who are both certifiable lunatics.
Get out as fast as you can! That is my advice. I spent 13 miserable years there before I left. I took a small pay cut but I work M-F 8 to 5 and absoultley love what I do. As far as John and Larry go, there will more people in the cheering section rather in mourning section when they pass away. How unfortunate to live your life as they have. Really is rather a pathetic excistance.
This company could care less about the employees who helped build it and who have put up with John and Larry. Beware to all who still work there. Don't put your heart into a company that could care less about what you have done for it.
The article is an accurate discription of the company as a whole, I work for them currently and have for several years each year I learn more and more how little they care about their employees I strongly advise anyone that reads this that is thinking of applying DON'T!!!! it's not worth your time money can be good but it is by no means steady work.
These "complainers" are an indication of the "workers" for menards! Not the company.
These people are complaining about the most powerful retailer in their state typically and they have not got off there butts and done anything themselves. It is people that make the community what it is, not the otherway around. I work for Menard myself. A great company that only is growing.
There is always room for advancement for people with good attitudes, not bad. Hence, the "former" employees with bad attitudes.
I come from a larger city-company and understand what the typical workers do not. There is more down to earth caring for the environment and employees here than the majority of corporate entities. You'll have to trust me on that since your most likely living in some cornfield infested area of the midwest where people will like to complain about anything and everything that is good for them or not.
I will admit that the general corporate Office is a shambled and horribly built shack. And that there is no excuse for bathrooms in such a bad condition (for a 6 billionaire)
But, none of my busness really!
Menards is a great place to work and it still is a supposed free country. So, lay off the man and the way its run unless you can prove to do better.
I read these comments and all I hear is jealousy.
I have been employed for 16 years for Menards and I know their ways are unique. I also see what the competition does and I realize the different style that the Menards has is why it's kicking the crud out of those other guys who can't thrive in any Menards market.
As for the people who claim Menards is a poor place to work and have been somehow wronged by the company--- whatever! Yes, there are personnel moves and decisions that have to be made along the way, as there is in any company in the world. The vast majority of the folks who are "let go" by Menards did something so incredibly stupid, it astounds those of us who are still employed.
As for the comments that you can't have ideas or opinions--- also hogwash! I have been in a position of upper management for over 12 years of my career and I have NEVER been accused of keeping my opinions to myself. Menards is always seeking better, more efficient ways to do things and appreciates input and innovation.
Everyone who has been terminated by Menards has been let go for some reason that is justified or else they would be in current litigation. For those people, please refrain from your biased and non-factual opinions.
For those of you on the outside looking in at Menards through the window of this article with no personal knowledge of John or Menards itself... Trust me, someone who has nothing to gain by writing these things, the following hold true.
Menards is a great company which is feared by ANY and ALL home improvement retailers.
Menards is a great place to work with rewards for hard work.
John Menard, while unique, is a success story that alot of people envy.
Where to begin?I'll start with talking about John's family life.You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves.What sacrafices would you or have you made to protect your families from having to face all the pains of everyday living?There are people who would consume others if not being consumed themselves.I personally had contact with Mr Menard,once to help out a friend of a friend after the west coast was shut down to logging due to a species of bird being deemed disappearing.He called personally to try to improve the situation.The second time it was purely selfish on my part.I wanted to make some money.He gave me a personal letter to access his purchasing department.I have this letter still and plan on using soon.You can't find another person in the world that would take their time to do these things when they get to a level that he has.He loves his family ,that is apparent to me because of this article.I'll never read this magizine,ever.You guys most likely won't even publish this.Again you don't have the right in my opinion to go the personal levels you did.You don't know what is in his heart and you never will because it is none of your business.I'm sorry Mr.Menard there are people like this that can't wait to speculate on others reasons of being.One more thing I have a person experience that I wish I felt like talking to you people about pertaining to policy he has about managers building homes.My mother was driven out of business because she didn't have such a policy in place.That is the reality people they are out there beware,eat them before they eat you.
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Leave Leave Leave! When I left Menards they begged me to stay because I was one of the best purchasing analysts they have ever had. I switched to another retailer and could not be happier. I am now paid salary (instead of a low hourly wage) and have great benefits. Menards health insurance is so bad I dont think that you can even call it a benefit (more like a slap in the face). My new company actually cares about me, which is a great feeling.
John Menard is extremely successful because he only cares about himself. His philosophy is, If you dont like it, leave, and I would recommend doing exactly that. As a corporate employee, I got to see first hand just how much of a shrewd business man that John is. The turnover at corporate is extremely high, and any current employee wants to leave, guaranteed! Anyone sticking up for corporate on this article was probably paid to write it.
Unfortunately, Menards does have good prices because they beat up on their vendors so badly, and dont pay their employees. To any customers who read this, I would strongly recommend shopping at Home Depot or Lowes because they are not ruled by a dictator. To any current employee who reads this, Get out now, you will be so happy that you did!
How can you hate on the place that pay's you bills so john's greedy and larry's crazy big deal no body is holding a gun to you head making you work there, if you don't like the job or how they run it quit, I am a building materials manager in one of the michigan stores and I see at least 30 applications come in each day for people more then willing to take any job in the entire store for half the pay that any single person makes there an hour and probably do a much better job, 80 percent of the managers in the store level don't have a day of college under there belt and make any where from fortyfive and two hundred thousand dollars a year how can you hate on that? Menards has made me a better worker beacause of there military like work environment and I respect that of course theres things that I don't like about my job but that comes with every job I still go there evry day and bust my butt because it's my job and I choose to be there. So until your name is on the front of there buildings theres not much you can say about the way the company is ran, It's a free country people leave when you want and speak up when you want but remember there are consiqueces with every action.
Mark B
Mark B, BM manager from a Michigan Store, my guess is that you will be fired on Monday for calling John greedy and Larry crazy. Good Luck!
How much do you think a positive comment would be valued at?I'd like to submit a bill.It's my guess that this article doesn't affect nor worry Mr Menard in the least.Therefore it isn't worth the time spent writing it.The truth for someones experiences is free and I admire the man for his sacrifices that are passed on to the consumers that are at the bottom of the food chain.His vendors wouldn't do the deal if they couldn't make money.Would you rather they made the money than passing it on to us?Keeping them in check is how we"SAVE BIG MONEY AT MENARDS".Now that's got to be worth something!
My Dad just told me about this article and even though it was written nearly a year ago, it's telling that people are still writing comments about it. A few of my friends worked at the headquarters just out of college and they have really poor things to say about the working environment. Having worked at Best Buy's headquarters myself, I thought they were just commenting on the usual brain-washing those places try to make their employees believe. After reading this article, I'm totally shocked at the practices of this company. I had a different impression of Menards--family friendly, local success story, etc. Knowing what I do now, I will not spend my money there. Yes, there are many stories like this in American business practices, but now that I actually am aware of John Menard's behavior, I can't shop there in good faith.
Hey John; I hope you read this.Remember before you; the DNR harassed that fella by Jim Falls that made ethanol,but he died and gave the DNR to you. I'm glad you got your money back from the state of WI plus interest (fines verses tax credits). How ever that makes you a good businessman and Gov Jim Doyle a crook. Gov Doyle also sold his sole to Marten Transport.However Randy Marten only received 1 million for his campaign contribution so you did good. I milked cows for your dad and he was a very nice man,a collage professor right? Your a college grad now I under stand your mom was a educator too. So what I don't get; is the fact that you cut a full time employees wages to a part time rate if they become a student!!!!! I know you worked and built pole sheds while attending college but did you give the farmer a discount because you were a student?
PS. If I'm thinking right Dale JR is a very popular nascar driver and stepping on him like I think you are(maybe taking over DEI) is maybe not going to bother you or Menard's today but don't you think your kids and Menard's may have egg on there face somewhere down the road?
I happened upon your article while looking for a Menards corporate website to forward my complaints about a recent experience involving inadequate stock on sale items.What a pitiful,greedy,self-centered guy this person is.He reminds me of Mr. Potter in that Jimmy Stewart "Christmas Story" movie.He will be judged accordingly when he gets his turn at those pearly gates.Meanwhile the following is a part of an e-mail I sent to "Ray" at Guest Services. "Ray there is nothing further you can do to help.My experience with Menards and the home improvement warehouse concept as a whole,with the carnival atmosphere and psuedo interpersonal sales associates,has driven me back to the small guy.I might have to pay a little bit more and that's fine because he makes himself personally accountable.His prioritization skills and product knowledge were'nt taught in a classroom,he comes by them honestly.I can count on him and his word and I don't get shuffled from person to person.I even apologized for forsaking him in order to try to save a couple of bucks.There,after almost 4 months, I Can finally say I feel OK about the hoops I had to jump through that got me nowhere.Menards does'nt owe me a thing.As a matter of fact maybe I should thank You for reconnecting me with the little guy and helping him to survive.I prefer his business model and his sincerity,something that only seems to happen on a smaller scale.You have taught me that BIG is'nt always better.Stick that in your business psych pipe and smoke it." I'm sure it gave "Ray" in Guest Services a chuckle while he was deleteing it.For the rest of You please consider patronizing the little guys of our country before we have no choice but to make "Mr.Potter" even richer and are forced to eat what the Waltons' choose to sell us.
Mr. Mayor above,
Your use of the english language as well as the need to inform us all of your elected title shows an obvious craving for self-justification.
Feel free to shop at the "small guy", Mr. Mayor....PLEASE! However, you know NOTHING of Mr. John Menard. Neither do most that are led to comment on this article. After all, they are just that, comments on an article that has some very biased views and express mostly one side of this story regarding Menards, it's ownership and the people employed by the company.
The fact of the matter is that not one current employee was interviewed for this article. Wouldn't all businesses receive equally low marks if we searched out ex-employees and ex-vendors who had been released from their employment or with whom they no longer conducted business?
So, please, without any firsthand knowledge of the company, do not pass judgement on the company that I, like thousands of others, have dedicated my professional life to. Others, who feel as though they have been wronged by the company in some regard, will obviously have a tainted view on Menards and from what I can tell, life.
No, I am not paid to say these things. In fact, knowing John, he would probably prefer I didn't pick up the gauntlet and defend him. But someone needs to.
Thanks for the comments MD.I too have been keeping of record throughout this.I also felt like writing to that gentleman but erase my comments.You forgot to mention however his references to TV.LA LA land.15 million dollars to the hospital is also worthy of mentioning.Thank you Mr.Menard for the people.We appreciate your efforts in keeping the prices low at your expense.I will continue to visit this site until it fissles out.This is a great injustice to the man who will give the majority a shot at improving their positions in the world.You and me MD.Respect brother.
Ironically, I used to get a "down home" feeling upon entering a Menards store. The goofy impulse and grocery items made it feel more like an old-time hardware store than a "big-box retailer". But, after reading this article and what sad lunatics the Menard brothers are... I think I'll have to pass on future visits. I'm sure my absence won't put a dent in John's exhorbitant salary, but you start pullin sticks out one by one and sooner or later, the house comes down. You treat people like garbage and conduct yourself like an embarassing, arrogant fool and you get what you deserve. Damn glad not to be a member of that family, no matter the size of the trust fund.
I worked for Menards 1987. They did provide training and sent employees to seminars. However I feel they sometimes discriminate against women. Another female and I worked very hard and were picking up department managers slack. We were doing management responsibilities and had more knowledge than some of the managers. When management positions opened, neither of us were considered but they continued to move disfunctional male managers around from one department they were failing at to another just to keep the male in a management position. I also agree you cannot voice your opinion. I transfered to another store and worked my but off to be considered for a department manager. My manager at the time made it miserable for me forcing me to do more work than any other employee in that department and when I voiced my opinion to a district manager I was fired the next day and was told to never work for menards again. The assistant store manager did not agree but he could not say anything or he would be out the door too. I was very cival this was not an attitude problem because i did all the work I was asked and more. I wanted to work a magamement position there but the district manager had gone back on his word and I questioned it. That was the wrong thing to do. Now I realize it was a blessing. Fleet Farm Hired me on the spot and put me in a department head position. Menards is blind to some of the potential employees they have.
Menards are also stingy on paying their contractors and subcontractors. I own a business and did some work on a new store they were buliding. They do everything in their power to reject pay requests from contractors on work that is done on their new buildings. My company credit has suffered because of this. Does anyone know about the plaque on the wall of John Menards office "Top Ten Reasons Not To Pay An Invoice"? Enough Said
My brother is a division manager for a large commercial construction company in central Illinois. His company was approached by Menards to bid on store construction in that area. When Menards builds a store they will purchase all materials themselves and furnish them to the general contractor. This is a cost saving measure that keeps them from paying the markup on materials a contractor would charge. Unfortunately the contractor is responsible for building a store with materials he has no control over such as quality or timely delivery. After checking around with folks familiar with contractors who had built 2 previously stores for Menards in the area he found out that the contractors were still trying to get paid years after construction was complete. They found any and every excuse not to pay invoices. After hearing of this my brother cordially declined their "request for quote".
Mr.and Mrs.MD ME it's pretty obvious that You both "belong" to the Menards.If You go back on the records that you're keeping You will see 11 comments from devoted associates(including 7 as a result of your collaboration) and 31 comments from unhappy folks.That doesn't sound like bias it sounds like a pattern.The naysayers outnumber the lackeys.Strange it's almost a year since this article appeared and people are still willing to comment.I guess that happens when you get something stuck in your.....craw
Yep, Mr. Mayor, I am extremely proud to say that I do belong to Menards. That's, I guess, my point. What corporate employee that has been terminated from their employment has good things to say about their former employer? Menards IS a great place to work. Those of us who care to work for a living and don't expect to gain something for nothing enjoy and thrrive in the environment that we are in. Most former employees that have poor things to say about Menards and John himself know nothing of hard work. The former employees who do work hard, simply overesitmate their intelligence level. Trust me, it's brutally difficult for a hard working, dedicated employee to be terminated from Menards. However,it still baffles me sometimes when people make choices that leave the rest of us wondering what the heck they were thinking once they are gone.
As for you. You are among the worst group. One with no personal, first-hand knowledge of what you're talking about. Yet, as you say, a year later you are still foaming at the mouth to make yourself out to be somewhat of an expert on Menards (maybe because as a politician you're used to babbling). Do this site and "pissed consumer.com" and any other site you choose to ramble on.....Abstain! Leave it to the folks who have knowledge of facts. I would much rather have a conversation defending John Menard with someone who has any clue to the validity of their statements.
You're too easy to prove wrong!
MD Please accpt my appologies for believing all the trash that was printed about your dear freind.I'm sure he finds comfort in knowing he has such a devoted employee defending him.Has his legal team considered initiating libel proceedings against the perpetrators.And all those hurtful comments,why must people be so cruel,don't they realize John has feelings too?I am certain that you are right.Every terminated former team member is probably fabricating lies just to be vindictive and to conceal their own inadaquacies.How about that Helget guy,what was he thinking?Wouldn't it have been easier to institutionalize his daughter.Imagine letting her disability interfere with his career and his "real family".And how about that Bropst guy,what a traitor,does'nt he realize how much John was hurt by his betrayal.Then theres that undeserving nephew.What was he thinking,freinds from outside the organization,thats a strict no-no.It's probably good that John terminated Charlie before he was in a position to ruin the company with his liberal ideas.Good luck on your career MD it sounds like you are a model employee created in Johns' image.When the time comes to look for a sucessor would you be interested?In the meantime you might find a little something extra in your pay envelope I should hope. You deserve it.Oh by the way,never divulge any privileged company information to any customers.For instance,should a customer ask you about the brown stain on your nose,just tell them you just cleaned up a paint spill on aisle 15.
I am currently employed by Menards, and at a small amount of worry because Menards always has spies, I can substantiate almost every claim in this article from experiences either I or someone I have known have gone through. I have personally forgiven everyone who hurt me (including Larry who ripped me a new one this last summer for no fault of my own), and I pray for the Menards family that they might see the light someday. God bless you Menards, not because you're good but because God is. That's the message of forgiveness.
And the stories keep mounting.Mary Van de Kamp Nohl might end up with enough material for a complete book before the site loses its contributors,which wont happen for a long time.Thank You Mary for a great expose',I hope You still monitor your creation.Thats the thing about tyrants,people love to see them brought down even figuratively.Injustice never garners respect for anyone and there's a lot of bad karma floating down the aisles of your freindly neighborhood Menards.Spies you say,that sounds like a very insecure environment.And kind of creepy too.Even for the customers.
Mayor,
Again I ask what personal knowledge do you have? Did you know Charlie's back? Didn't think so. You're a real knowledgable gem and continue to prove it. You have made your baseless opinion known. Maybe someday your mind will fill that big head of yours.
Until then the rest of us will bask in your glory knowing that you are the foremost opionion on whatever hits your fancy. You are the defender of all that is good. You are the judge of all those you don't know and no doubt the "Mayor" of some pathetic little town who has unjustifiably given you a false sense of worth.
John has no idea who writes the MD in his defense nor does he probably want to be defended. He has no "spies" as my well-intended yet misguided friend Tool Shop suggests. I am just a guy who has devoted his career to a company he has seen do more good than bad. Sure, Menards has done some things which I have questioned. But, for the vast majority, it is a stellar company devoted to it's employees and it customers.
Really, Mayor, give it a break. I know you think you have championed a cause. But, really, it is just you and I who give a crap. Do you have ANY idea as to the validity of these comments? Because I do...and hardly any hold water.
Mr. Mayor,
I am ME the one who you refer to as MD's partner.That is extremely offensive and I believe you are a piece of crap for insulting me.If MD is the Mr. part of your insult that would make me a girl.If indeed MD is the Mrs I believe that would make me gay.I am neither sir.I would challenge you to a duel if I knew who you were.A duel of wits knowing I'm smarter than you.I am not part of the Menards organization but yes I do admire what he has done and passed on to all of us keeping the big guys in check.Thank you John for that.If he hadn't put himself there the competition would not have had the additional pressure to keep their prices low.Again I have a personal experience that benefitted me, an act by John Menard that went along way for me as far as my pursuits.I so wish I could be a mayor like sir but I'm not.I hope you receive a better deal at your little guys store.
I worked at Menards for a year and a half, working into management in short order. I have mixed feelings about my time there still. I got what I wanted: a job where I could make money if I wanted to and be able to continue to do so by working up in the company. However, I eventually left when I had to constantly look over my shoulder for store managers even when I was doing everything right. I worked in a store in which the GM was extremely motivated to have the "best" store in the company and tolerated absolutely nothing. I couldn't stand the culture of vultures that is anyone in upper management. Criticisms came from everyone and were aimed at everyone, not just me. I no longer wanted to walk on eggs ***** at work. Sales and payroll expectations were set so low as to require understaffing. Also, the 16 hour Saturdays were catching up to me. I thank Menards for the opportunity, but beg anyone who works there and is able to quit to do so. Your family will thank you and the time with them will be a greater reward than any money Menards might pay you.
Yes MD you have exposed me for the fraud that I really am.I know nothing about the inner world of Menards but as this site circulates through your company,and you know it does,more and more worms are exposed.The way you belittle anyone opposed to the status quo proves the kind of culture that exists in Menards management,a collection of antagonistic tyrants who give thumbs down at will with very little reason and derive some perverse pleasure watching people suffer.Does your performance review rate you on your brutality?Are you required to make heads roll to justify your position?These people who comment can't all be liars.And I have no doubt that the shark at the top of the food chain is fully aware of this site and would love to see it silenced.Who knows,with his money,it could very well happen.Meanwhile I sit in my pathetic little town and enjoy the sideshow.
Whatever you say mayor!
I would really enjoy sharing the truth with you. But, it's obvious you can't see the truth. I don't know if this gets in the "inner circle" of Menards or not. I'm guessing no, since most of us at Menards have real work to do. Sit back and enjoy the "sideshow" as you call it. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. But, I'm sure you think you do.
Done for now, going back to work.
MD
You post at 6 08 Monday morning and say that you have to get to work.Either you can't wait to discredit the latest post,with the blessings of upper management,or you are just plain nuerotic.You are right though no one really cares that much.So why have you become the defender of everything Menards?What incentive do you have if?There can't be more than a few dozen posts in almost a year yet you try to silence every single one.You are a strange one Mr. Grinch if I didn't know better I could suspect that it's really you John or Larry or Moe or Curly.This dialouge could have ended long ago if only you hadn't begun the insults.I don't feel singled out however since you have insulted most every detractor thats posted a comment.I guess thats just how you were trained to communicate with someone you feel you are superior to.
You are a case. Enjoyed the banter. Would have enjoyed it more with someone with any firsthand knowledge, but, oh well!
Good luck oh ye crusader of the truth......hope you find some someday to champion. You didn't find any in this story.
Last quips,
MD (bleedblue 166)
Is Charlie in the same position that he was prior to being walked out last fall?
My guess is no.
I have been with Menards for over four years. I believe Menards itself is a great company with many benefits offered to its employees. Menards, of course, is doing very well, unlike Home Depot, who is laying off employees and hiring new employees for lower pay, and Lowes, well I can't really say much about them, except that multiple guests in the city that i work in where a new Lowe's recently opened, say that they are more expensive and team members are not helpful. I admit going to the competitors frequently to kind of spy on them, but i dont really see much. Meaning, there are very few team members and very few guests, and expensive merchandise. When i saw in this article that Home Depot returned a set of tires that obviously weren't purchased there seeing how they don't sell tires, i was appalled. I laugh when i hear "the customer is always right." I do not agree. Yeah, you could return an item if you don't happen to have your receipt, but if it isn't even sold there, then why? Ok, so yeah Menards fines its managers when they do something wrong, for that exact reason, they did something wrong. What is wrong with that? For the person that commented that they will never step foot in a menards again, because of "environmental contamination..." Who are you to say he is a jerk? Has he done something to you personally? Probably not, you are just someone with a big ego and nothing better to do. John Menard is a great man that started something from scratch and has turned it into a HUGE business! For the person commenting on empires failing at the end, hear this...Menards does train everybody, they do pay very well for this type of business, and they give you many tools to do your job. The place you worked at for a whopping year was maybe one of those few where the managers actually suck...the managers...not MENARDS! Speaking and writing two languages has nothing to do with working at Menards. If you have 10 years experience and two diplomas you should know how to do your job before even getting there. Why would they have to train you?! You were likely one of those people that started there and were 'overqualified.' You had a big ego and probably did't want to learn, cause you 'knew it all.' As for the person who commented on Dale Jr...Get a Life! Good grief, John Menards will not take over DEI. WOW. Also, if an employee is full time and becomes a student, yeah they have to take a cut in hours. So what?! It's not like they can work 55 hours and go to college so what's the big deal. Look, i could go on and on about this crap. Menards is a great company to work for. John Menard is not a bad guy, look how successful he is. He has accomplished alot. I recommend working for Menards to all those who are reading this. Don't listen to all the negative people on here. They are just jealous of his successfulness. As for the people that currently work for Menards and don't like it...Do us all a favor and LEAVE if you don't like it so much. As somebody commented before, 'nobody is holding a gun to your head making you work there.'
to bw posted 12-18; you were probably fired becuase the d.c. that you were in charge of couldnt get any of the orders correct....it was a trainwreck, and has improved since you left. as for the rest of you, why do you care what john does...it's not your business and never will be and yes I work for him as a d.m. and I don't agree with everything, but I have bills to pay and the job market isn't exactly great, so guess what, I'll keep my job and try to make the best of it. Suggestions....Larry actually likes it when you send him a suggestion. Oh yeah,"take the money", I don't think the consumers would like to know where that ranks in the rules of retail, kinda sh?!?y isnt it? just one guys view from both sides
I've worked for Menards for a long time, and I get paid enough that my husband does not need to work. I've also benefited from the building trades, and real-estate because of my job. John does keep a very tight ship, and he should. People think they should get paid to sit around and do nothing. People should be working, and that's why we call it work. Management is not doing it's employees any favors by not adhering to rules. I have seen some real atrocious managers over the years, but I still love Menards. It's the most unbiased company to work for. If you can increase sales then you are welcome and promoted. You could be Korean, Indonesian, and African and move up with this company. If you can't increase sales then you're demoted which keeps the company expanding. It is a little cut throat, but if it was not that way Menards would have been bought by Lowes years ago. What was left out of this article is the compensation for regular employees. We get profit sharing, insurance plans, and best of all spiffs. If I sell a huge window order I get real money back on my paycheck. I can make my checks huge, and my husband loves these surprises. John does not demand a college education from you, but he does want you to be driven and honest. If you don't have ethics, and don't care about safety, and don't want to stop theft then you shouldn't apply at Menards.
Notice how no current employees will sign their real names
Wow, I don't believe I actually took the time to read all of these comments!
In any case, I am writing this because I am very disappointed with Menards. I had a situation in which my contractor was held up at a store for 2 hours trying to pick up merchandise that I had already paid for the night before! (and, might I add, I had to wait in the store over an hour to purchase while waiting for a mill work employee to help me locate merchandise from 2 other local stores). I know this type of situation happens at all retailers, not just Menards, however the store manager was extremely unwilling to resolve my complaint. He just told me that I could fill out a brown form that would be sent to headquarters and not actually sent to an individual. (We all know that this will not ever get resolved).
I previously worked as a buyer for a retail giant in the headquarters, where customer service was key. You would always find a way to figure out a solution to any problem. In my case, I ended up having to pay my contractors for 2 hours of "work", which entailed sitting at Menards, and now also an extra day of work, since they were set back those 2 hours!!!! The manager was trying to tell me that this would never happen, but, c'mon, we all know it did. So, I have wasted several hours on buying base moulding from Menards, which I will never do again.
I grew up in Pennsylvania, and when I moved to Chicago 7 years ago, Menards was an unfamiliar oddity to me. It is dirty, unorganized, has awful commercials and print advertising, and sells a bunch of stuff that makes no sense. I did not understand how this place stayed in business. But, after reading the article, I now realize that not all retailers are the same with their policies, and having a good rapport with your customers and employees is not a priority for this company. That may make Mr. Menard a rich man, but not a well-liked individual. So, maybe Mr. Menard doesn't strive to be well-liked. That is his prerogative. However, I do believe a retailer should still be accountable for good customer service, and should treat a complaint as an opportunity to make a bad situation a good one.
In my situation, I am still going to fill out that brown form and send it to "who knows" in the guest services department. I may be surprised, and they may actually do something to correct the situation since I have spent thousands of dollars in their stores. But, I doubt it.
Also, I would like to say to some of you people who are defending the company that it is just a job, and don't take it personally that some people do not like the company that you work for. You may be a loyal employee to a company, but usually the employer doesn't feel the same about you (no matter how hard you work, and even if you are the nicest and best person on earth.) You should focus on your friends and family and not your job, because being with the people who you love is much more important than working yourself to death for a salary-no matter how much it is. (By the way, I was never employed by Menards or a competitor, or ever fired from any company, this is just what I have realized to be true after many years of corporate life).
I hope Menards grows a heart.
I worked there and I do not recommend it. Getting out was the best thing that ever happened to me. Management was terrible, they did not respect their employees whatsoever, and neither did the guests. Menards may think specializing people in departments is good, and it is, but you should have SOME cross-training because I constantly had questions about other departments that I did not have the answer for, and customers did not have the patience to wait for me to get a team member who did work that department.
Menards is a jackass, simply put. I do not know how you can respect an egotistical tightwad who thinks he's above eveyone else because he has money. He happily ruins people's lives for no good reason and defies laws because he thinks rich people are above everyone else. I'm always amazed that despite his billion dollar empire, he is still so cheap- he even refuses to pay for ink pens! Employees have to bring them from home. Good grief. And please explain to me how a 'good employer' is justified in screaming at workers for being ' ***** retarded'. Hardly someone I wish to work for! (My favorite story is how Larry Menard starting swearing and shouting at an employee in a store for not doing their job properly- turns out the kid wasn't even a worker, just a customer wearing a menard shirt! haha!)
Customer service is a nightmare and it's the poor cashier that gets the brunt of the load most of the time- cashiers are not respected whatsoever and are constantly being chewed out by irritated customers for doing their job- they have to get management approval for EVERYTHING- lookups, coupons, slight price changes, large checks, etc.
So yes, I left, because as some point out, I did not 'have a gun pointed at my head'. I hope my friends I left back at the store do as well, because my quality of life has gone wayyyyyyyyyy up. Good luck to you still at the store, and watch out, John and Larry are probably watching :)
Would like to comment on Drizzit posting.
Yes, Mr.Larry Menards is a nice person and how to conduct professionally.The way that Mr.Menards keeps the bottom line is brilliant and makes the company running efficiently. But, there are a lot of other people in the management could not conduct professionally and detrimental to the company. I hope my analyze was wrong! This is a perfect place for people who do not have college degree and work they way up within the company. But, not to those people who have college degree, cause they have to compete with the long-time employee. I think the Management Trainee program that currently in massive advertisement would be detrimental to Menards in the future since it did not conducted appropriately for those trainee with the college degree. I am afraid if Menards do not try to improve their human resources with those people with college degree, in the near future could be overtaken by other home furnishing retailer!
Moreover, I do not think that Drizzit is right about Menards implementing EEOE appropriately and there are only a bunch of people can count from your fingers whose come from other countries or Cultures who are working in the Corporate Office. Someone could give idea on how many corporate employee team-member who are foreign-born? Except Ms.Purnita and Ms.Xiong, I did not know if there are any other?
Where are the diversity? Eventough, I think most of the customer that Menards caters are the immigrant or foreign born, but, there is little diversity in the Corporate Office.
I am looking forward to hear any comments about this and would like to do the constructive debate on this matter.
God Bless us all!
Larry might be a "nice person" however I saw him in action at a Menards store last month. I was shocked at his treatment of a checkout clerk and the store manager.....in front of customers no less. It was absolutely uncalled for as the F bomb was used several times and in a very loud voice. Several customers stood in silence as Larry went on his tiraid.
If he is going to dress down employees then do it behind closed doors. No one deserves to be treated that way. I had heard that he has a nice streak in him however he also has a mean streak.....and he showed it. The only one who would have been proud most likely would have been John.
To 'Salesgoaldriven'...do you have a college degree? Have you taken any English Courses? Because you definitely need some grammer help. Also, Menards will never be taken over by another 'home furnishing retailer.' NEVER! To 'Relieved to be outta there'...Menards has a great program called in home training. It provides CROSS TRAINING that you think people should have. If you dont want to find someone from that department for everything, LEARN something by doing in home training for that department! DUH!! To 'Shocked Customer'...Do you happen to know the reason Larry was yelling at those team members? Maybe it was something that couldn't wait to be brought behind closed doors. If you worked in retail, you would maybe understand that.
Once again a company mole posting during working hours .I'd tend to believe it might be encouraged in Johns' kingdom.Is MD coaching you?Can't blame you though,this story has the potential to do some damage.It has become lunchroom conversation at our UNION firm and it is circulating. A few people have neighbors currently employed with Menards and have their own horror stories.To describe the occurences would give the associates away so I'll just say bullsh.t!Whoever does demographics for John better watch their backs though.The stores that are new to our area are going to have a tough battle for market share.First the economy is in the toilet and second we have a strong union presence who will shop non-union stores but will boycott blatantly anti-union stores.Even Wal-Mart understands this and lets local union contractors build their stores here.Please insult and criticize me instead of salesdriven and shocked.I'm trying to fit the profile of the F...ing Retard you were trained to identify and terminate.By the way did you help MD clean up that paint spill???
To AJ - yes I do know why he was yelling at his "team members." He was yelling at the checkout clerk because he hadn't walked over from aisle 1 to aisle 4 and told some customers waiting in line that his checkout was open. I'm sure you think that can't wait so you would find it appropriate to utter the F bomb in front of those customers to yell at the clerk.
I'm not an expert customer service person and one thing you have right - I've never worked retail but I guess I would have said to the customers that there was no waiting at aisle 1 and made mention of it, if I felt the need, to the store manager that the clerk on aisle 1 needs to step it up.
But again, I've never worked in the fast paced world of retail sales which apparently you have. I'm old fashioned manager I guess.....treat people the way you would want to be treated, earn the respect of your employee's, etc. All those old fashioned things. I've never had the benefit of Menard's in house training....just some old college degree.
Let's see.......The Menard Institue of Customer Service......The Menard School of Working Retail.....How to Influence People by John Menard...... Sounds like a perfect opportunity for a donation of ______ million by JM and then he could shape the future of retail sales.
Hi AJ,
Thanks for your comment. I'm still trying to improve my grammar to be as fluent like you. "Because you definitely need some grammer help." Thanks for the reminder. Yes, I do have some college degree which I am sure more than you have. But, I was trying to communicate in your level to be understood. Regarding Customer Service in the Retail Industry, there is never mentioned about yelling to co-workers in front of the guests to get noticed. The guest should have a good experience while in any store.
Hi AJ, could you challenge me on my opinion about the diversity? I need your constructive idea on this?
Good Bless you all...
Since "the article" was originally published in Milwaukee Magazine in April 2007 this comment response will be the 70th comment. I have periodically clicked on this site to read additional comments. I find all of them interesting, including the original article content. I find all of them interesting because of my own personal experience of reporting directly to John Menard for 22 years. To a lot of current longer time employees, I am no stranger; some referred to me as "the company spy". I used initials for todays comment; I do not have any problem using my name/address or even publicly listing my phone number(s), perhaps it would be better if I just continued using e-mailed comments which would all be based on personal hands-on experience. I assure anyone reading/following this would not be bored. There are MANY things I could write about. I am a firm believer that everyone & anyone is entitiled to their opinion. Until someone does me or any member of my family wrong I have respect for anyone; once respect for the individual is lost there is nothing left. I find it hard to forgive & forget. Should I decide to make future further comment about anything related to contents of published article or previous comments I want to make it perfectly clear that I have a lot of respect for John Menard; he has never done me wrong. What I may end up sharing could be compared to the Sam Walton Story. Have any of you ever read Sam Walton's book? He started the biggest retailer in the world & during "a break" from working for John Menard, for family reasons, I also experienced "the Wal-Mart experience". From my personal experience in Wal-Mart retail management, Wal-Mart is not perfect & because of their size they are a constant target. There are a lot of similarities between Wal-Mart & Menards, again should I decide to make any further comments they will be based solely on my hands-on experience & opinion. I knew/know most of people mentioned in magazine article. I do not today know where I will start sharing my Menard experience, perhaps from the beginning? I held different positions over the 22years; the last wo years I drove to about every store in Menards ten state market area except for a handful in Michigan. I would drop in on stores unannounced & spend up to four hours at a store & unless some longer time employee recognized me, a lot of times no one at these stores even know I'd been in their stores until they received followup pls. comments from John Menard. It was a most interesting unique job; a lot of good positive things resulted from these visits. I need to think on it a bit yet before I comment further. Perhaps later, RD
It is quite evident John Menard has a major screw loose upstairs. I really do mean that too and dont write that for humor, he obviously has some sort of mental issue. It is unfortunate too, since from what I understand his mother and father and most of his siblings were wonderful people, unfortunatley John Menard did not come from the same mold.
John Menard is rich, that is all. John Menard just happened to have a gift of being able to make money with very little regard to basic business ethics and with no regard on to how to treat employees or customers fairly, like most of the other people in business leadership would. Menard will have his name remembered, but only for the facts of his tremendous monetary weath and how poorly he has treated people over the years. I grew up in Eau Claire and actually worked for a sub of Menards for a few years out of college, got experience and moved on. Would recommend all Menard workers to move on when they can, because this place is not for the long haul. Get out, there are a lot of more rewarding jobs out there that are more rewarding financially and for your soul. Menard is very fortunate that at least in Eau Claire, and I would suspect many other towns he has a store in, the good job opportunities just are not out there for many of the Menard workers. Dont let that stop you, keep applying, looking for good jobs and get out of there while you can so you can leave on your own terms. This guy is wacko to say the least, and who knows if you might be the next person to experience it firsthand.
I have worked at one of the stores and can agree with coments here. If you need an item such as tape to fix broken bags or hang signs your expected to pay for the tape yourself and buy it on your own time. The stores are very understaffed to the point where deparments can be unatended durring business hours. Each deparment is competitive with eachother so if a customer is in another understaffed department gets fustarted about waiting half hour for help your suspose to page over the intercom with no one to reply, or assist the customer in the other department then get nagged at by your manager when you return. projects and stocking come above customer service. you are not to spend 5 minutes showing a customer how to replace a washer in a faucet valve as its not making money for the store and instead sell a brand new faucet assembly for high profit in 30 seconds and get right back to work.
To Salesgoaldriven,whatever man.The level you are trying to communicate at doesn't exist.Shapen it up and maybe proof your message before you enter it in for others to read.AJ is right about your communication skills,if you reread it you most likely can't understand your own message.To try and cover up your obious flaws by degrading all who read this is a sign of your fears.You will never be there.I like John Menard,he connects to the world at all levels.This amazes me "at all levels" that is diversity.Mr Mayor you are giving up your position.I can't wait to hear from you again.
SalesGoalDriven What all these upper management Menards Business School graduates don't recognize is you are obviously foreign born and are still learning your second (or more) new language. The second that they have learned consists largely of swearwords and insults.Menards has taught these leaders in the retail industry,that in order for them to have more than the next guy,they must take their job extra seriously,selectively acknowledge subordinate accomplishment(reserved for special individuals),maintain total control and never admit to their own mistakes while delegating blame generously.It sounds screwed up but it seems to work for them. Dis is whut some peeples becomes when deys becomes sucksessful
This article is amazing a fellow co worker told me about it and i had to check it out. It really enforces the things you hear within the store from other employees. Menards is not the best place to work like most have said. I am looking for a new job currently. I only work part time at menards, and they have a really hard time giving me hours weekly. All i need is like 20 hours a week but my manager can't even supply those because the payroll is cut so low, so I end up with like 80 dollar checks a week. Thats not even worth the gas i use to drive there. On most week days we are only allowed 3to 4 percent of the daily sales for payroll and when we only make like 1500 dollars or less in sales you can imagine what happens. People get sent home or called off and departments are understaffed like mentioned above, and the one person in each department is over worked under payed. Managers also get fined for not making payroll, it comes out of their yearly bonus. Like its thier fault that noone is comming in the store buying all the goods that are made in china driving this country into a recession. I also have to tell places that I have applied for not to use menards as a refrence because I have heard that you can get fired if they find out you applied or have worked for a competetor at a Target or KMart ect because of conflict of intrest. menards sells toilet cleaner and so does KMart so that means your a spy for KMart lol. I have said If you call them and dont hire me I can loose my job. One HR person laughed and said are you serious and i said yes and they said WOW. My store GM has also told me that I am not allowed to shop at other stores for supplies that menards sells. because that also is a conflict of intrest giving menards money to the competition. How crazy is that. Menards really does have secret shoppers from general office that come and call the stores on a daily basis. I have ran into them more than once. They ask ?'s about stuff like delievery and stuff in other departments to see if you will take them to products. If you dont take them or give wrong information on the phone, it leads to writeup's on first offences no warnings. The attendance policy is the same way if you are late more than 5 min its a write up on first offence no freebies 4or 5 tardies and you are fired. I have seen department managers fired for no reason and people dont talk about it because they are afraid they will be next. I saw an Assist GM demoted to a dept mgr and had to uproot his family to transfered to a diffrent city for less pay because he opened late one day. I havent had anyone talk crazy to me yet but hope they dont because im not their kid and will go off right back and walk out. One other thing that is true about one of the posted comments above is the "take the money" slogan it sounds like rob the customer to me and larry does say it i have seen it in more than one training video.
I have told you guys that there is no diversity or EOE whatsoever at Menards. One person can just insult other's insufficiency of language and accusing for being foreign born. I have met with several managers who just happened to ignore my friendly gestures many times and only one! I listened that several people just made fun of other people's accent in company's public radio system. They might think that they are better than me and being born here. Anybody could claim that he or she is a native of this country? I think only the native Indian can claim this. This is the land of the Free and everybody has the chance to meet their economic of living. I have never tried to brag about my college degree, and there is no need to that here. Not at Menards.
I agreed with MADE IN CHINA comment on PTS. It's hard for the part-timers to get the benefit of the PTS and especially the managers). Only the top managers could benefit from this scheme! I will try to analyze this retail-phenomena from the business background and will post my opinion in the near future.
Thanks for those people who made the comments on my postings and really appreciate it.
God bless us all
Heres a fun fact for everyone out there in menard land. Accoding to forbes magazine john menard has only 7.3 billon one dollar bills away from sleeping on the streets. Since menards is based in wisconsin AKA packer country, consider the fact lambeau field holds 72,928 fans. Each one of those fans would have to have slightly over 100,000 dollars each in their pockets and pool all their money together just to tie Menard's wallet. nice thought huh
I can't believe how so many people it appears would lay down their life for such a bottom-dwelling individual. i worked at the Eau Claire D.C. in Menards for six months after leaving the military 2 yrs ago to return to Wisconsin. I never enjoyed my experience there and am so happy I was able to find something better. I don't have any hard facts of John Menard's character as I have not met him first-hand but know all too well of his character from everybody I know that has met him. I have heard countless stories of how his personal and business practices are cruel and unwarranted. Also, managers training me how to not accept interviewees by bringing in someone they knew they wouldn't hire then belittling them in the interview. Working my butt off and not getting just compensation, in my mind, for it. Constant sexual harassment by management. Females and members of other cultures working their butts off and never getting promoted. Absolutely horrible benefits. Yes, there's profit sharing but you are not eligible for over a year, insurance costs an absolute fortune and you have to wait six months, etc. it's true...many people with lots of money would not be where they are without stepping on others toes but there's a difference between stepping on people's toes and burning the toes, peeling the skin back, pouring salt on them and then stomping them into the ground. Also, I'd like to add, thank you Mr. Mayor for your entertaining and FACTUAL comebacks. I hope my friends who are still there can find something better as well. I wish my home of Eau Claire could get rid of this jerk!
I know John but do not know Larry so I can not comment on his actions. I do believe John is a fair person, and have never had the pleasure of working for him. I have spent alot of money at his stores but I still shop there today. I wouldnt know Larry if I ran into him, but I would hope that he was NOT like what everyone says about him. We are all human and I believe you should be treated the way you want to be treated, and I cant think that Larry would want to be treated like a piece of ***** either. signed: ec
Well, to 'shocked customer,' that cannot be the only reason Larry would call a cashier a ***** retard. I have personally met him, and he would not do that. Because you were the customer, i would not expect you to understand. But, I cannot say for sure since i do not know the whole story as well. To 'sales goal driven,' again, you need to get grammer lessons. I cannot even understand what you are trying to say, but I will try to answer your question about diversity. Maybe the reason there aren't many foreigners working at Menards, is because THEY CANT SPEAK OR UNDERSTAND ENGLISH!!! Honestly!! I had the "opportunity" to work with a foreigner not too long ago...and it didn't go to well for her. Hardly anybody could understand her, and she couldn't understand anything. Why she was hired in the first place, I have no idea, except that Menards does try to diversify. You cannot blame John for there being little or no diversity though, since he does not personally hire team members. To 'mr team member,' whoever or whatever store made you pay for tools to do your job, such as tape, is wrong! And nothing, absolutely nothing, comes before Guest Service! That is Larry Menards Number One Rule. 'CF,' you need a grammer lesson as well. And thanks to 'ME' and 'Mayor.'
Well AJ, I have also met him and I can assure everyone that John must certainly would! He is a crass man without etiquette in the slightest. And if you want to pick on people for not spelling words right, perhaps you can take your own advice and learn to spell grammar!
larry is an ass, he fired a whole plumbing dept in iowa, ive seen him treat people like shit
I heard 15 home depots are closing including 3 in wisconsin. Im so excited that my zipper is about to bust open. Now i can make my employees work harder while I sleep on a bed stuffed with money that no one will ever see again. I proudly refuse to give back to the citys my stores are in and the word donation gives me nightmares. I AM GOD
I last posted a comment on 03/20/08 under initials RD. I have decided to do further postings under my real name. My name is Ramiro Duenes. I live in Rochester, Minnesota. I worked for Menard Inc for 22 years reporting directly to John Menard. I have three daughters. The oldest is a 3rd year Resident at Mayo Clinic & will soon be moving to Idaho with my son-in-law and 2 grand kids. She worked at Menards Rochester North a couple years while going to college. Second oldest just presented her defense & was accepted; she is now also a Doctor, a Doctor of Chemistry, and will be hooded at graduation ceremony on May 10th at University of North Carolina. She has been offered & accepted a Post-Doc position at U of M, along with my son-in-law who is also a Chemistry PhD. My youngest starts her research project at U of M on May 12th before starting Dental School in August. My youngest is an 18 year old son who has been struggling with health issues. As soon as he is healthy again I have no reservations about asking John Menard if he will be so kind as to allow him to work at one of his stores while he continues his education. The point of all this family history is that working for John Menard for the many years, indirectly & directly allowed my family the opportunity to attain successful careers. I challange anyone that wants to or feels the need to bad mouth John Menard to keep in mind that he makes jobs possible for somewhere between 40,000 to 50,000 people in 10-12 state market area.. His company growth has been cautious & I do not know of any Menard stores closing. There are reasons for most of the things people have bitched about in previous postings. Based on my hands on experiences I fill qualified to dispel most of the bull ***** I may end up doing a lot of future postings. To all you loyal Home Depot customers, where you going to go when the HD store in your market area closes. Perhaps you should shop at your nearest Menard store. I am sure John would appreciate a firm mattress stuffed with your greenbacks. Until next time.
I've been big into home improvements for about 30 years in Chicago. I remember when the likes of Mr. How, Handy Andy, Builders Square, Home Base then Menards and HD came it, and many of the independent lumber yards and hardware stores disappeared. Well its come full circle - when I see all of the crap made in China, the abuse on the workers, the environmental crimes all I can say is that I have re-discovered the indep. lumberyards and hardware stores and that John Menard can go to h_ _ _ in his own CCA-treated box before I will ever set foot in that place again !
no i think he would rather be go away in a box made of cracked partical board and handles made from the shoe string twine he provies for customers for free to tie stuff to their carsThat way its lower cost then stuff the casket with all his money
I was a gate guard in a Milwaukee-area Menards and the quality of the stock going out of that yard was pitiful! If it wasn't damaged, inferior or missing parts it was a rare day for me.
The manager was paranoid. The assistant manager more so. No people-skills. No worker-skills. Bottom-lines caused the department managers to send people home at any time, leaving whole departments without proper staffing for hours.
God help you if you had special orders! Oftentimes I had to calm down "guests" because they received mailings stating that "their special order was in" and lo-and-behold, not only was it NOT in, but they couldn't even find it regularly sending them to the competition.
I've seen it from the inside and "guest" service is a bunch of words that they profess to believe-in, but, when you get right down to it, not so much.
Thank you Ramiro for your input. I work for a store which I will leave out for now, that knows who you are and as a result of you visiting the store I work at, I now know who you are. I fully agree with both your statements. Furthermore, Menards is a great place to work for. I hope to continue to work there, despite recent problems at my store which is making me reconsider at the moment. That problem is due to management at the store however, not due to Menards itself, which I think most people are forgetting, that the store itself is the way it is because of its team members. To whoever posted as John Menard, have some respect. Just because John Menard is WAY more successful than you ever will be doesn't mean you have to right to defame him like that.
If you are looking for fulfilling employment you might not find it at Menards or at their business model Wal-Mart.Advancement opportunities are limited to like thinking lackeys like AJ and Ramiro. They covet their positions and really don't want competition. Instead they want strong backs and obedient minds. Educated employees desire entitlements ie.paid for what they know,not what they do and creativity is frowned upon since Corporate sets policy that must not be modified.
In a non-union environment discrimination can thrive and is a very useful form of control.Everyone fears for their job so they keep their mouths shut and eat their poo sandwiches and watch fellow employees be treated unfairly and turn their heads.The middle management tyrants are paid well to reward or condemn at their personal discretion to keep the business model healthy.High turnover is acceptable and even encouraged.
I agree with low paid employees. We havent had a decent raise since Chris left. We did get a quarter last year but that was after health insurance went up thirty dollars a week. Our bonus's if you want to call them that are store merchandise checks that have to be spent at a Menards store. I like my job , but I'm almost fifty and its hard to find another job in this economic state we are in.
Did you hear menards will give you a menards gift card for your economic stimulus check for 5 percent more then what the check is worth. That way your 600 dollar check intended to help hard working americans make ends meet instead can be used to by 630 dollars worth of "price point" items made in china to support their economy. Also the check intended to support the lower and middle class instead goes to the richest man in the state of wisconsin. Is that what bush intended the money to go for?
Referencing posting of May 9th by AJ, from my experience a lot of problems at Menard Inc are brought on by poor management at store level; some of these people border on being of moron mentality. Eventually their poor management abilities catch up to them and sadly things get twisted around and their demise is blamed on Menard Inc.,. From the day it was initiated I always thought it hokey to start calling employees Team Members and customers became Guests. To me they will always be employees and customers. Good employees do their thing in presenting products at a good price and customers spend their hard earned dollars for those products; one is no more important then the other. As for questioning who ever posted as John Menard, all the time I reported to John Menard I did not know him to be much into physically using a computer but I would not question his ability to do so. Anyone capable of flying one of his multi-million dollar jets is certainly capable. From my knowledge of John Menard I could see where the content of postings under his name would come from him. I could see him reading all these postings, especially when a lot of them are so untrue. Trust me, I know from personal experiences why, in most cases, the workers or employees were so abused or mistreated, as some postings point out. They did it to themselves and had it coming. If that sounds cruel and ignorant on my part I will perhaps back it up in future postings. Until next time.
To the person doing postings identifying him or herself as mayor, you referred to me as a lackey. You or anyone else may call me or identify me with any adjectives you may so desire, doesn't bother me at all. I am fully aware of what I did for John Menard and offer no apologies to whom ever I affected, positive or negative, in the process. As I have previously stated, most of, if not all, the employees that were supposedly treated rudely or abused, etc., had it coming. Here is one example of many such situations: It was a year ago this past May 1st, it seems like only yesterday, that I last spoke with John Menard. While waiting at St Mary's hospital ER for my 82 year old Mother to arrive via ambulance, I received a phone call from a contractor friend of mine. He was working on a building project at Faribault, Mn airport. He told me it was too bad I was no longer working for John Menard. I had left John Menards employ the previous year because of my parents poor health. I could no longer be traveling Menards 10 state market area. It just so happened that my Mother got tranferred to Mayo Clinic care, on this day, was admitted for 24 days before getting sent home for her remaining days; she passed away 5 days later. I told this contractor friend where I was and what I was up to. He proceeded to tell me how his jobsite was at edge of airport; at the end of the dead end road was the Dundas Menards contractor pickup. Appeared that driver drove into tall grass and weeds to hide; he appeared to be sound asleep at about 2 P.M.,. I asked contractor if he was sure the rep was not dead. He said as far as he could tell he was sound asleep. He said he would get a picture if I needed one. I told him I was going to phone John Menard; the picture was not necessary but I did need the truck number. I phoned John Menard on his direct number and he personally answered on the second ring. Told him about my Mother; he said his thoughts and prayers would be for her recovery. I told him about the sleeping employee and told him I used it as an excuse to touch base with him; I had not talked to John for about a year since I had left his employ. We chatted a little bit; the conversation ended with him telling me he was going to personally follow up on the sleeping employee. I never did hear the outcome. I do know that all of Menard Inc company contractor pickups have GPS systems on them and can be tracked within inches of location and times parked etc.,. Let me end this with a question. If it was your own pickup and you personally were paying an hourly wage to someone to go out and sell products to justify the expenses involved, resulting in a profit, what would you do if this individual was sleeping when he was supposed to be working? This example is minor compared to some of the crap I experienced with employees taking advantage of job opportunity given them.
Snitiching on employees is more imporant then taking care of ill parents???? aparently what you learned from john menard proves the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Employees miss countless family events from holidays to birthdays all in the goal of inflating the big man's wallet and of couse 2 or more who are related in any form including in laws may not work at the same menards location. When i worked at one of the menards store i heard a employee got written up on septemeber 11th 2001 for turning on one of the radios on the electrical department so they could hear the news as events happend................. aparently their planogram comes first
To individual posting as, no snitching, you seem to have missed my stating that I was awaiting my Mother's arrival and there is actually more to this story. I am 60 years old; I am Catholic, believe in the power of prayer and practice my religion without shame. When I received the phone call from my contractor friend I had just finished saying some prayers for my Mother and for my ailing 17 yr old son. You see he had already been hospitialized for almost two months, struggling with mental health depression issues. His three older sisters are highly educated and very accomplished. The oldest is a doctor at Mayo, second oldest on May 11th received her Doctorate in Chemistry and youngest is currently pursuing a dental degree. My son being an A student was headed down the same road until he started struggling with health issues. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more important to me then family; that is the reason I terminated employment with John Menard. All of a sudden I was faced with my son still hospitialized and now was awaiting my Mothers arrival. I ended up visting my son 2 or 3 times a day and my Mother 4 to 6 times a day at opposite ends of hospital for about the following month. While awaiting my Mothers arrival I was sitting in my car thinking about all sorts of things. Including remembering how the previous November I had sent John Menard some reports of personal experiences from visits to the two Menard stores in Rochester, stores in Mankato, Mn, two Twin Cities stores and Marshfield, Wisc.,. They were reports about issues with excessive lines at check out registers, out of stocks and people standing around idle, wasting payroll. John sent me back a note thanking me for the reports and also asked that I pass on his thank you to my doctor daughter. Unbeknown to me I was not aware that John Menard had been hospitialized at Mayo, much less that my daughter had tended to his health care. My daughter took an oath not to discuss her patients and when I confronted her about John Menrd being one of her patients and his asking I pass on his personal thank you she said she wanted to tell me at the time but could not. She also asked me to please not ask details about his care; it has never been discussed further. I thought about that; I thought about how years ago Johns Father had also been hospitalized at Mayo. How his Father shotly after going home passed away and his Mother also passed away about a week later. All these thoughts and all of a sudden the Menard incident presents itself while I am waiting. You or anyone else can certainly think whatever you so desire but to me it was somewhat consoling to talk to John Menard. Think what you may but he is human and I continue to have a lot of respect for him, or I would not have worked for him for 22 years. Again, a lot of what has been presented in previous postings have reason; I know a lot of the reasons and a vast majority got distorted along the way. Perhaps I will attempt to clarify in future postings, some of the stupidity is beyond belief. Later.
Another response to individual posting as, no snitching, retail is the process of providing products that people want at a good price. It is a given that these customers shop mostly in evening, weekends and holidays, not only at Menards but at all retailers. When people apply and commit to working at retail operations they should know and realize that they are committing to needed hours when customers shop the most. At Menards it used to be that these employees were compensated an extra $2 or $2.50 per hour on weekends for their commitment: I believe this still holds true. I know from experience that schedules are put together at store level and submitted for approval to home office. The biggest issue is to make sure there is adaquate coverage to accommodate customer needs. It is not possible for everyone to have every holiday or weekend off but certainly store management can and should make efforts to accommodate respective employees for requested time off, including employee birthdays or family member birthdays. As for members of same family working at same store, there are reasons for that which if anyone reading this with an open mind, would agree with reasoning. A couple of reasons that I have personally witnessed have to do with scheduling and internal theft. Seems like only yesterday, I attended a seminar back in 1972 which I never could forget. Even back then it was mentioned that nationally shoplifting and internal employee theft was estimated at 6 billion dollars a year, employee theft being the biggest part of it. It is rather sad that given the temptation there are dishonest people. I was gone from Menards for about 4 years due to family resons, at which time I was an asistant store mgr at Wal-Mart; they allow hourly family members to work at same store. There were several incidents where these people conspired to steal from the biggest retailer in the world, as always they eventually got caught to the tune of thousands of dollars. And accomodating same family members by granting same schedules can be a real ***** I would imagine even more so now with high fuel prices if they reside a distance from workplace. The ruling for no public radio in stores at Menards is because of competitive advertising: why should competitor ads be announced. If employees need to listen to radio they can do it in their vehicles when they are in their vehicles for smoke breaks. I would think the 911 transmission day could have been allowed at least in breakroom area or store back office, as severe weather warnings times are monitored. The write up mentioned must have been from some ignorant gunho store manager, for cripes sakes all national flights were even halted. The next kamikaze flight could have been at any major US city. Perhaps the store management was worried that some one from home office might stop by and report a public radio broadcasting in store, but with all flights grounded there surely were not any company planes visiting stores on this day. For those of you not familar with Menard SOP, company planes leave home office everyday with corporate people going out to stores daily. Until next time.
To whom who keep refering to China,
I happen to know that it is the distributors who sell to Menards that went to China.They are the ones that replaced Manufacturing jobs with imports.At first they kept the prices at the wholesale levels the same and kept the profits.Some are still doing this as sub-manufacturers.If we didn't have this practice in US inflation levels will go nuts.It is a globel economy and we all have to understand this.It always has been like this.It is only the disclosure standards that have changed over the years.We benefit as consumers when John Menard gets tough for us.India,Vietnam are just a few that are coming.The Chinese are going there now and investing.Do we go as well?I think so.
That this article would continue to draw such impassioned responses more than a year after it first appeared speaks for itself. It is refreshing to see how some have indeed stood up those as out of control as John Menard and his company.
While I'm not a lawyer, I hope that any employment lawyer reading this might be able to tell us if Menard's (and Menards', the company's) apparent policy, as reported in the article, of not hiring--or, if already hired, firing--anyone found to have "ever worked in a union shop" violates U.S. and Wisconsin labor law, which generally prohibit employment discrimination on account of an applicant's or employee's membership or nonmembership in or stance regarding unions.
As the article also states:
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Managers are prohibited from building a home, even if they purchase the construction materials elsewhere. It's a measure to prevent employee theft, John Menard once told the media. The penalty is termination.
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Again, employment lawyers: In Wisconsin, might this outrageously intrusive, out-of-control invasion of Menards' employees' lives outside of work violate Sections 111.321, 111.322 and 111.35 of the Wisconsin Statutes, which together generally prohibit employers from engaging in employment discrimination on the basis of "use or nonuse of lawful products off the employer's premises during nonworking hours"?
And what about the legality--or possible illegality--of such things as Menard's and Menards' reported detailed system of fines for managers?
If Menard or Menards indeed have in any way acted or are acting in violation of their employees' or job applicants' legal rights, it is long past time to call them on it and hold them fully accountable. It is long past time that employers like him and his company be brought under control.
As Menard might well ask me and others who believe as I do, "Who the hell is telling me how to run my company?"
John Menard, we, the people of the United States and of Wisconsin, have not only the right but the duty to set fair boundaries to make sure that you and all other employers treat employees, job applicants, their families, and their, our, and your communities with fairness and decency. Take heed.
Menard and his public-relations, legal, and other staffs, upon reading this, will, I'm sure, immediately set their machines in motion against all I'm writing here--including to find any "digital dirt" they can on me. Trust me, John, there's plenty, and I'm quite proud of it.
I can just see ol' John sending out a "do-not-hire" memo throughout his empire warning his minions about me.
Save your time and effort, John. I have no intention ever of applying for, much less working at, a job within your fiefdom. What you should be concerned about is how many truly good workers who could take you and your company to even greater heights will never apply to your company--as well as how many you've turned away or fired. And were I a union organizer, I'd be licking my chops at the thought of organizing your company. You and it very well show why unions are important and needed!
No, John Menard, as should be clear to you, I am not afraid of you. In truth, I have nothing but contempt for you, your company, and many of your and its practices. Laugh you might, but keep in mind that I, like many thoughtful people, indeed do consider how companies treat their workers, job applicants, and communities when we decide whose products and services we will or will not buy and use. And trust me--we do share our views with others widely.
Got a problem with that, John? Let me know. Better yet, let us all know by posting your side of the story on this board.
Scott Enk
senk8105(at)sbcglobal.net
Following is the text, edited to minimize repetitions of points made above, of an e-mail that I sent to John Menard and Menards via their Web site when the above article first appeared, in May 2007. Naturally, I've never received any sort of reply.
But if you want to tell them what _you_ think, please do so using Menards' Web site, www.menards.com. Click on the "Guest Services" link at the bottom of the home page; then click for the online form under the heading "Contact Menards online."
In any case, here 'tis:
Scott Enk
senk8105(at)sbcglobal.net
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John Menard:
You really are something.
Yes, Menard, after reading Mary Van de Kamp Nohl's courageous article about you and your empire in . . . _Milwaukee_ magazine, I must agree--you really are something.
In the light--or the darkness--of your treatment of people who've made you wealthy like Cory Lickiss; Steve Faber; Scott Bropst and two of his management trainees; and, perhaps worst and most unforgivably of all, the North Dakota store manager whose treatment by you Mr. Bropst courageously describes in the article as well as Eldon Helget, I, as a fifth-generation Wisconsinite and an American and human being who proudly and publicly supports working people and their rights, must and will say in your face: These people, like Ms. Van de Kamp Nohl, deserve our support and our commendation. What _you_ deserve is something else. (No, I would neither do nor condone anything that would violate criminal or civil law.)
Proud of yourself, Menard?
Shame on you, you greedy, paranoid little jerk.
Menard, what do you and your company have to say for yourselves?
. . . It is long past time that spoiled executives like you be put back in their place and taught some humility. It is also long past time for you and your ilk to learn some respect for us working people and our rights, including our rights to decent pay and benefits, justice and dignity on the job (including freedom from arbitrary or otherwise unfair treatment), work-life balance and family-friendly policies, and respect for workers' rights to live their lives (including to improve their homes) without outrages of the kind you inflicted on Mr. Helget and his family.
Whenever workers' sovereign rights are violated by arrogant, out-of-control employers like you, Menard, we as a society need to start imposing stern financial penalties and, when need be, long prison sentences upon those who violate workers' rights; swift confiscation of "responsible" executives' and managers' personal and corporate assets and their redistribution to wronged workers; public humiliation of those who dare to violate workers' rights; and, when need be, legalized seizure of and takeover by workers of corporations that violate workers' rights.
Don't laugh, Menard. People in America who believe as I do are everywhere. We are angry at what we've been seeing happen to our once-beautiful country, our economy, and our living standards, especially since the early 1980s and Ronald Reagan, and even more so under George W. Bush. . . .
For the record, I will henceforth do all I can to avoid doing business with your company and will now urge others to consider how you and Menards treat employees, especially as noted in Ms. Van de Kamp's article, when considering where to shop. . . .
Let me know what you and your fellow Menards executives think of _that_, boy.
Do let me know what you have to say for yourself.
Yours for liberty and justice--for _all_,
Scott Enk
(contact information here omitted)
To Scott Enk, interesting postings. I get the feeling that you are very much interested and somewhat ready to take on Menards on all the wrong that Menards, specificially John Menard, has supposedly done. I still maintain that if I share more of my personal experiences a different view will be taken about a lot of previous postings. An example which may sound really stupid but none the less a personal hands on experience. I was reminded of it recently while watching an NBA play off game, specifially given the fact that the game was played in Detroit. Now really a stretch, but a viagra commercial reminded me of it. Do nott at the moment remember the store or town name but this happened at on a Menard store visit on Western border of Michigan. I stopped at this store totally unannounced and was at store forabout three hours before I decided to announce myself to store manager in charge. Only because my findings did I feel it necessary to involve store manager. Walking thru store, shortly after store opened I noticed, for identification purposes, a bald headed employee standing behind millwork desk. He was there for the longest time, appeared to be whittling on a piece of wood. After quite some time another employee walked by and this bald headed employee is asked if he is ready to go on break. He goes on break so I go to millwork desk and pull open drawer where I noticed him hide his whittling wood project. It was very vivid that the wood piece was taking on the characteristics of a carved wood penis, balls and all. I took and went looking for store manager. I was told he was in receiving area. He was no longer there so I asked receiving employee to page him and have him come back to receiving area. There was a loft in this stores receiving area so I went up there to check it out and wait for mgr.,. He showed up so I introduced myself and told him why I was looking for him, including pulling the wood carving out of my pocket telling him this kind of crap was bull ***** He asked who the culprit was ss I went to edge of loft and pointed him out, who was now standing at open overhead door bullshitting with two others while they watched the rain come down. I had already taken photos of penis carving so I gave it back to him. Suggesting that he best get to bottom of it and take appropriate action before he heard back from home office. To this day I do not know the outcomebut if it was just some pervert working at Menards I hope he got deserved just reward. This is only one example of the crap that has not been brought up in previous postings. I need to go right now but will continue with further posting to your postings, Scott Enk. There is a lot more to the Menard story, especially as to the reasons why.
Scott Enk, Menards is not alone on the union thing. While working for John Menard for 22 years there was a break in the action, due to family reasons. During that time I personally experienced union issues while employed as an assistant store mgr at Wal-Mart. The biggest retailer in the world is also against unions. They have over a million people employed and have managed to keep union activity out of their stores. About the time I left Wal-Mart and went back to working for John Menard there was a store that voted to go union. It was at the point where if activity toward union kept up the brand new multi-million dollar store was going to be closed. I do not know the outcome. Also when Menards started building their new super centers they set up their stores with state of the art meat departments, including hiring highly experienced meat cutters. With union activity pounding at the door all the meat departments were revamped so meat cutters were not needed. All meat was switched over to getting already packaged meat products at stores, thus eliminating the need for unionized meat cutters. Unions to me are like religion, politics and other things that can be discussed forever and there is no one answer, alot of pros and cons.
Previous posting, it was Wal-Mart with the meat departments not Menards.
Go on Ramiro justify your lifes accomplishment on the backs of the underpaid and unappreciated workers.You have walked away with your share of the affirmative action farce and now can act like you are superior. Anybody that really cares about our country can see that we are being sold out.You got your piece of the pie ,I hope you choke on it.
Ramiro isn't that the meat that gets gassed with CO2 to make it look wholesome and nutritious and maintain a longer shelf life even though it might be spoiled? Ask your Mayo Clinic progeny if it's advisable to eat that crap they sell at Wal-Mart.I'll bet it isn't in their fridge.I would hate to see the world that you have prepared for the unworthy unoin element that I have aligned myself with.Do you want me to lick your boots or is that reserved for special individuals.
Mayor, whomever you are, I was not attempting to, do not need to justify my lifes accomplishments. I thought giving a descriptive background would help anyone reading these postings understand my thoughts based on hands on experience. At no time during the process, nor even with you suggesting that my accomplishments resulted from underpaid and unappreciated workers, have I felt guilt or now feel guilt. The supposed cruel rules and enforcement at Menards came about because of the stupid actions of some of previous employees. While at Menards for 22 years I witnessed some of this. Again, I will state that John Menard did me no wrong and I continue to have respect for him and the good he has accomplished. All that has been reported in previous postings seems to come from desgruntled former employees; if they shared their entire story most of the postings would perhaps have an entirely different tone. I did not at the time feel, nor do I now feel I was superior to anyone but I was fully aware that my reporting facts could directly or indirectly affect the outcome of their actions. Quite bluntly, they were aware of the rules and they chose to break the rules. You are welcome to wish me anything bad you so desire, including choking on a piece of pie, or whatever. I did the job expected of me; the job I was compensated for and I might add it was not all bad. I feel and know I contributed a lot of good things as well, including many good reports which John Menard responded to but no one seems to have posted any of that. Until next time.
Mayor I did not say I was for or against unions. During my lifetime I have seen and experienced both environments in the workplace. I have seen good and bad with both. If need be I could write volumes on both, again, from hands on experience, including back in the day when the NFO, tried to in a sense, organize farmers to get better prices for dairy products. The idea was for farmers to dump their milk which would affect supply and demand. The prices farmers got for their raw milk supply would rise if there was less supply and more demand. It did not work; the more affluent operators dumped their milk with little sacrifice. The small operators could not afford to dump their products; they benefited out of desparate need, with a lot of pressure and grief from their more affluent neighbors. Nothing good came out of it; a lot of small operators went out of business including some very good friends of mine which worked many hard hours to keep their dairy operation going. After the Dad died of a heart attack and the financial institution foreclosed on their property, the remaining family moved out leaving a sign, last one to leave rural America turn off the lights. With respect to the union meat cutters absent at Wal-Mart and packaged meats, I would not be surprised if the packaged meat came from the same supplier that supplies your meat source. I know a highly respected reputiable caterer in Rochester gets a lot of his meat product from Wal-Mart. He caters a lot upper middle class folk, including doctor get togethers in Rochester; have not heard of any deaths from bad meat purchased at Wal-mart. Your asking if I want you or anyone else to lick my boots is a very stupid comment not deserving of an answer. I am just sharing my true to life experiences; there have been many. I do not remember having stated that I was for or against unions.
What happened to the small dairy farmers is more about being squeezed out by the larger factory farms that are more capable of providing a consistent supply at an extorted price that larger retailers such as Wal-Mart and now Menards demand. So basicly the small family farms went bye-bye so your employer could offer a loss leader. Between the producer and the consumer is the middleman,that is you and your dear friends John and the late Mr. Bill Walton. You are entitled to your fair share of the market but when corporate greed kicks in and you want to own the entire market at the expense of the health and welfare of producers,employees and consumers you become a parasite.You are a part of this corporate feeding frenzy Ramiro so don't play like you are on the outside looking in because your hands are just as dirty as your bosses. As for my meat,I am not the most self-indulgent person and try to restrict my carbon footprint to the minimum. But when I do eat meat,it comes from a side of beef produced and processed locally.My eggs come from a local hobby farmer that I compensate generously My building products are never chipboard or vinyl and my yard is full of weeds and insects since I don't want to poison my own well with herbicides and insecticides. Extravagance,I beleive,is a sinful thing. And I guess I'll find out myself if thats true when I meet my maker.You and your corporate cronies have tried to condition consumers into believing you have their best interests in mind and can provide everything that will ensure quality of life but you are poisoning our minds and bodies with only the bottom line in your mind. Do you think it was alright for John to put arsenic laden ashes in his household garbage in order to circumvent environmental laws and save big money on proper disposal fees? Play devils advocate if you wish and eat a good prepackaged CO2 gassed steak with your doctor freinds and laugh about the stupid mayor that refuses to become one of your Wal-Mart zombies or Menards big money savers.
Sunday morning around 10:00 I was at one of the menards stores with my son to buy supplies needed to solve a flooding problem i had overnight. The store was very busy with other people in the same situation. I picked up a wet dry vacuum, sump pump, one of the last dehumidifiers in the store, mop and various other items. finding employees to assist was dificult being there was only one per department according to the tv screens at the desks but overall satisfied at first. Since the store was so understaffed customers were giving advice to eachother and talking about their basements. As my son and I were walking with 2 carts full of items we passed a employee near the plywood section on a forklift moving about 15-20 empty wood pallets. I told him i had problems with flooding overnight and if i could have a couple to place in my basement to help prevent damage to items next time the floors become damp. his reply was a firm "absolutly not its against corperate policy" and attempted to drive away on the forklift. I yelled "sir" and he stopped due to customers staring at us. I told him was spending several hundred dollars right in these carts and just asking for something that costs the store almoust nothing. I then asked i could pay a few dollars each for them which was above any store cost. he stated all pallets must go back to corperate to be burned as their used for heat. His compromise was for me to take measurements of a pallet and buy 2X4's and nails to make my own pallets. I told him in all my years i have never been so offended in my life and walked away. he yells "sir you cant leave the products in the middle of the aisle" I told him im never coming back and to have the store management put the items back. I feel now like these stores are operated by robots that have absolutly no personality towards people. Menards is also the only store ive been to where you ask a employee for a specific item and all you get is a blank stare and they say "hmmm im not sure on that" then they walk away to arange items on a end cap like i'm not imporant. I would give anything to have back the true value and ace hardware stores this junkyard put out of business.
Responding to current posting by Unhappy Customer, it is unfortunate that you had flooding problems this past weekend. It is even more unfortunate that you were treated as you were at your local Menards store while getting needed supplies. Should you wish to pursue it further there are comment forms at exit to all Menard stores. These comment forms all used to go across John Menards desk; I do not know that has changed. Perhaps it would be of some satisfaction that employee and store management got reprimanded for being so rude. There is currently a 31 year old former employee of Menards awaiting sentencing for embezzelment; it had to do with pallets. It is public record, do not know the specific details but it has something to do with selling pallets for cash and keeping the cash. There are about half million dollars worth of pallets unaccounted for; this former pallet recycle plant manager has admitted to about half of the total in question. He will be sentenced in August for possibly 5 years of confinement. Perhaps with all this going on there was a directive to all stores that under no conditions are pallets supposed to be sold or disappear from yard inventories. Some years ago there were even used pallets put out for the taking in store front parking lot at some yards. Seems even with that there were issues with people bitching about how it was handled, issues with garbage residue, injury issues, etc.,. The pallet eventually evolved with all pallets being returned to Home office to be ground up and fed to boiler to heat water that was piped to huge company plant buildings for winter floor heat. With the tremendous amount of pallets, tons were recycled and sold to pallet companies and manufacturers needing them. Surely because of the greedy plant manager, absolutely no pallets are to leave or be sold to anyone at store level. They are all to be returned to company plant. I would however think that management at this particular store could have faxed or phoned corporate asking permission to help this particular customer. A written invoice could perhaps have been written out by store management authorizing a couple of pallets leaving their yard. As for the robot atmosphere, that is also a lack of proper training on part of management. Later
I have noticed everytime someone makes any sort of negitive comment towards menards that ramiro duenes always has to put in his 2 cents making menards stores sound better then heaven. However also notice he does it in such a way to dance around points people make that he can't justify with nonsense talk. For example take the comment by unhappy customer where he says he wish he could have back the local ace hardware and true value that menards put out of business. I too miss the feeling of the hometowns where you go in the hardware store to buy a foot of wire and pay 40 cent instead of being told sorry sir we only sell in in 50 feet spools. you could go to your hardware store to buy a 8 foot 2X4 and everyone of them was in good shape with very few knots. Menards sells 2x4 for maybe 30 cents cheaper then hardware stores, but realize 19 out of 20 of menards lumber pieces are as staight as richard simmons. Very few people have time to sort a hour and half trying to find 10 decent pieces of wood. Directly becasue of mr menards wonderland, main street small town stores are in the history books for any city his store invades. mr unhappy customer i also miss the feeling of walking 3 blocks to the true value store having the owner spend 15 minutes giving me advice on my project then talking about how his grandson is on my sons baseball team. Also remember local stores give back to the cities their located in, doing things from allowing girl scouts to sell cookies outside the front door of the business to donate products to the schools as well as give part of their profit to the city. At menards all it comes down to is inflating the big mans wallet. What does menards give to the citys their located in? absolutly nothing is donated, they find every legal loophole every to save a penny, getting them to pay taxes is like pulling teeth, and menards has been fined many times for being totally carefree how they dispose of chemicals. The way mr duenes talks about john menard makes me seriously question if they got a friends with benifits relationship going on.
ramiro duenes wtf is wrong with you! i worked at menards for 3 months part time. i hated every min i was in there. mexicans that couldn't speak english, older ladies always bitching. ramiro seriously get a ***** new job and and stop sucking menards big fat green ***** there is other jobs out there bud! best 2 luck with your family problems
After reading all this information about the Menards I can see how they treat people we have done business with them for years I will now stop do to Larrys arrogant attitude with me as a customer I had a problem with one of his managers Don in WEST Allis who hung up on me I spend about 3,000 to 4,000 dollars per year and will now use Lowes or Home Depot Larry Menard some day you will be repaid for your lack of caring hope you have a nice life.If I ever have a chance to run into you I hope you walk the other way.
I wrote nearly a week ago reguarding my concerns of a recent menards visit. The reply from ramiro duenes has as much meaning to me as pre written letters companies use where its the same letter to all situations but custom made with your name on top. Heres the follow up to my situation. I called my wife and had her give me the phone number of the closest ace hardware store about 10 miles away. I then called the store and spoke to a very friendly man who assisted me over the phone with all the items i needed from the mop to corigated tubing to shop vac to sump pump and knew the items off the top of his head, no uh..... im not sure, no let me transfer you to another deparment (10 minutes wait then disconected), no rude attitude. He even offered to put aside the items i needed aside and have my wife pick them up while i got started on the basement. No running from deparment to department trying to find items with no one to help you. I asked the man if he had any pallets i could buy and he says his whole outside wall is stacked with pallets and im more then welcome to them as long as im a customer of the store. I called my wife and she left in the van to get the items, they even placed the items in the van for her along with a couple small pallets. I went back a couple days later to tell the owner i apreciate what his employees did for me and picked up a couple more pallets so everything is all good now. Now that i think about the whole treating pallets like gold thing ramiro was talkng about i realized nearly all of the pallets menards has are ones they recieve FREE from their suppliers when they recieve items and just reuse them. so technically if menards is reselling pallets shouldn't the money go back to the suppliers of menards based on the number of pallets they ship menards instead of menards keeping the money. I can see now my situation i have discovered follows in the footsteps on what the original article was based on.
I am displeased with all the negativity coming from everyone. Ramiro is stating his opinion, just like everyone else has a right to. Just because most of his opinions are positive, doesnt mean that everyone has to put him down. Yes some Menards unfortunately have problems, but it doesnt mean every store does. Any other Corporate store likely has some of the same problems as Menards does. As for the guy who spends a whopping 3 to 4 thousand a year at Menards, as much as Menards appreciates your business, why do you think just because you spend 3 to 4 thousand a YEAR, when people spend that in a single DAY, do you think you have a right to put down Menards? Was it a mistake that the manager hung up on you? I've accidentally hung up on people before, it's an honest mistake. But i don't know your story, im just speaking on personal experience, just as Ramiro has been. I will be an employee at Menards almost 5 years now, and most days absolutely love working there. I, unlike most people posting negative comments on here, appreciate the policys that Menards has. I understand that there needs to be rules. Just because people don't want to follow them because they think they are benefiting John Menard, doesn't mean they have to defame him for it.
So three or four thousand doesn't register on the big spender scale? I guess my measly six hundred dollar purchase that got me pi++ed at Menards isn't anywhere worthy of mention. What I did spend elsewhere however probably got me on par with Dan Bailey but still not worthy of preffered customer status in AJ's store. I know that my retailer loves getting my business. Dan Bailey don't settle for the big boxes,try one of the little guys if they have'nt all been exterminated in your area. These little guys are fighting for survival and would bend over backwards to have your patronage. Once again,if this insane retail battle forces out all other competition what do you really think will happen to prices? I'll bet that helping us save money will no longer be their stated purpose. They might even be able to cut their advertising budget and lose that nauseating jingle.
As a Menard employee for 20 years I can verify the negative parts of the article. Ramiro is someone I have had contact with many times over the years as he skulked about the Menard underworld. He puts a pretty good spin on his life at Menards. In his postings he makes a few comments about his Catholic faith, which is good for him, as I'm sure he spent a lot of time in the confessional to get his sins forgiven.
Most of the negative things written and posted about Menards are accurate. The anti-union policy is accurate and it is illegal as it violates the national labor relations act. It specifically states that applicants cannot be discriminated against based on prior union membership. The only way this will be prosecuted is if a union tries to "salt" members into employment at Menards. Individual jobseekers do not have the knowledge, time or resources to go after them for it. If enough people who applied at Menards and were turned down as they had former union membership, were organized by a class action attorney then something might change.
Menards is under investigation by the EEOC and a group in Illinois is undertaking an effort to get a class action certified for discrimination against African Americans. Menards never filed an EEOC-1 report as required by any company with over a certain number of employees(150 I think). Menards said it was an oversight and they did not know it was required. Pretty laughable excuse for a multibillion dollar company with a large legal staff. Any store manager or even department manager who went to meetings in Eau Claire understands what they are trying to hide. It's like walking into a meeting of the Klan.
The class action that is being certified is something all minority employees should look into. (Menendez v. Menards) A federal judge just threw out the arbitration clause because Menards makes employees pay for their own attorneys plus 50 percent of the arbitration fees. Because Menards would not cover the arbitration fees of the process for the additional employees beyond the first the judge threw it out. If employees had to pay the arbitration fee it would be impossible for them to fight for their rights under federal law. If employees sued under federal discrimination laws they could recover attorney fees plus expenses which they cannot do under Menards arbitration agreement. That is the reason the federal judge threw out the clause and is allowing the case to go to federal court. I imagine Menards will tie this up for years while the appeal it. If any employees or applicants feel they were discriminated against then they should get involved with this lawsuit.
People on the outside ask "why did or do you stay?" Its all about the money. As a manager at menards it was possible to make a lot of money and this compensated for some of the crap that we had to put up with. The money is no longer the same anymore as raises have not kept up with inflation and bonuses are a fraction of what they used to be. That is the reason I left. I make more money and work less than at anytime in my 20 years with Menards. In the past this would not of been possible but with the bonus cuts it is definately possible.
To the Menard defenders, I just say that I used to be one them too. With time and experience comes knowledge and wisdom. You to will learn and come to understand how they run the business and treat their employees. Larry is a happy go lucky guy when talking to associates on the floor but when the T.M. is gone the manager he is walking around will get an earfull. If you have a good manager they will protect their team from the worst aspects of Menards but the bad is still their.
Mayor, im not saying it "doesn't register on the big spender scale." I was mearly pointing out that people always give the excuse they spend hundreds or thousands of dollars there a year, and we have people that spend that in a day. Menards does appreciate the purchases of everybody, but when consumers think they should always have their way because of their hundreds or thousand dollars of purchases there a year, its ridiculous, not to mention annoying. I'm sure other corporations have problems just as Menards does, so just because Menards has a few problems doesnt mean everything has to be blown out of proportion and be totally one-sided. And about the money thing, Menards pays pretty good compared to some of the other corporations. I'll agree that fines and bonuses are a bunch of crap, but to have something like profit sharing for most employees is something that many others don't have. The fines and bonuses are just there to get team members to do their jobs. And to say that because Ramiro says the truth and that he is putting a spin on what he says is just ridiculous. This whole article is ridiculous and this has gotten way out of control.
I do not intentionally try and put any spin on anything. I have merely shared actual true experiences from my 22 years of directly reporting to John Menard. I do not think the article is ridiculous and has gotten out of control. I am surprised that it has gone this long; hope it goes on a lot longer because I have tons of expereinces to share if people wish to know true things at Menards. I am not opposed to shopping at Menard competitors; I personally have been at a local Ace hardware three times in last week that a close friend of mine manages. The prices were higher but it in other ways. A lot faster and easier to shop at a small Ace then a 200,000 square foot Menards. If competitors put their minds to it and put more emphasis on service and good merchandising they certainly can get their share of market dollars. The big box retailers, including Menards, do not own entire retail business.
I do not know about all of the supposed chemical dumpings at Menards. I do know there are procedures and policies in place for proper handling of returned chemicals, paints and leaking cintainers. Which do not include dumping down the drain instructions. While at Wal-Mart it was no different. I personally fired an employee dumping ***** down a drain. He said it was easier then filling out the paperwork. I fired him on the spot; he had been at Wal-Mart for 8 years. There is no excuse for lazy ass employees to not follow environmental rules in this day and age. Keep in mind it has not always been this way. I grew up on a farm where used oil was dumped on fence lines to prevents plant growth and poured used oil on gravel roadway along driveway to keep traffic dust to a minimum. What is so wrong with all that when the oil came from the ground to begin with. I am being facetious but as the years have progressed it is nothing to screw around with. If employees of Menards screwed up, got caught and it resulted in fines too bad. I hope the lazy asses involved also lost their jobs. With the millions of acres and hundreds, perhaps thousands of city blocks getting totally flooded recently in entire Midwest, wonder who is going to get fined on all the pollution. Is Menards also to blame here; that's about how ridiculous some of postings in this article are.
What about the days before there was a policy on hazardous waste disposal. The policy came about because Menards got whacked by the EPA. There was no way to dispose of waste chemicals or gasoline set up by the company. The only way was to dump it on the ground or dump it down the drain or manhole. Was there no hazardous waste before the policy? If John was willing to put out CCA ashes out with his garbage when he is worth billions then it should be apparent what the unwritten policy of the company was. Before the current procedure was in place, there were fines for sending back equipment with gas in them or damaged chemical containers. How was disposal to be done? Dump it!
Menards has always had a bunch of unwritten policies on how to do things. That should be apparent to anyone.
Formerly Bled Blue, you are absolutely correct I am 61 years old and I know there were not any stingent pollution laws, nor policies in place at Menards or other retailers. Long ago I remember seeing a customer returning, I believe a lawn mower, he was told it could not be returned with fuel in it so he was outside the store dumping it in the ditch at end of parking lot. With fuel at four dollars a gallon people no longer dump fuel. I am not condoning any EPA violations, if people want to continue to violate current laws, they best be prepared to pay the penalty whatever that may be. There surely are still unwritten policies at Menards, when Menard employees break even the unwritten rules or policies, they should be prepared to pay the price, ignorance is no excuse. Breaking written laws by anyone becomes a legal matter with much more severe consequences, wealth or even clout does not make it right when courts get involved and judges or jurys end up having to reach a verdict. The sad part about it all is how things have evolved over the years, nothing seems to be exempt from something being wrong anymore. What the future holds in store for all future waste is unlimited. Here is one that caught my attention. Billions of plastic waste bottles have been generated from using them for soda, juices, water and many other packaged liquid products being sold. Wal-Mart is now offering pillows made from recycled plastic bottles. They feel like any other soft pillows but I do not think it would be anything I would want to fall asleep on. Since Menards sells mattrasses perhaps they will be added to their inventory; Wal-Mart is selling a lot of them. What next?
To posting of June 10 by Menards Invaded Mayberry, you wonder, and perhaps others, whether I have a friends with benefits relationship with John Menard. I assume you are inferring that John Menard is compensating me for contents of my postings. ABSOLUTELY NOT, first of all I do not believe I have once mentioned that John Menard and I are friends. It has always a working relationship, you see I do not want to be classified or pretend to be a friend of John Menard because I know of too many instances where supposed friends have turned around and attempted to screw over John Menard. I left John Menards employment two years ago and the last time I received anything of monetary value from him was at Xmas time. That in itself is another interesting story. It was the week of Xmas when a FedEx truck driver delivered a holiday package to my home. As I the FedEx driver handed me the package he commented on how nice it must be to personaaly know the richest guy in Wisconsin. He was impressed that he was sending me a bright holiday package. I seriously doubt that John Menard made a special shopping trip to find me a Xmas present. A lot of vendors send all sorts of presents and packages of food product at Xmas time to Menard Inc home office. They all go across John Menards office and he redirects them to different departments, especially the food ones. What I received was a big package of colognes from I believe Australia. I am sure it was not cheap stuff, and even though it was a re-gift, I though it was nice of John Menard to take the time to personally hand address the package to my home address. The comments by FedEx driver reminded of who John Menard is. It reminded me of the many lunches and dinners I had with him over the years. It reminded me of when I was working at a Twin City store and he took the time to phone me to ask if I had time to have linch with him. He picked me up and after eating at Baker's Square, him and I toured the local Home Depot. It was a great experience walking thru a Home Depot with the owner president of Menards and no one at HD even noticed. I was honored that he took the time. There's more to this story but I do not have time for all of it right now. Again, John Menard IS NOT compensating me one iota for anything I have written in my postings. If he has in fact been reading any of this, or has someone monitoring these postings and reporting back to him, I am aware of it. If John Menard wishes to send me any sort of contribution I will gladly accept it but I am not holding my breath or losing any sleep waiting for it. Again, what I have written is fact true to life experiences at Menards and will continue to postings as I see fit, or perhaps not at all?
I wonder how the fed ex man would react if he found out a gift he was under the inpression would be insured for several thousand dollars was actually a hand me down gift. That to me just proves how cheap rich people can be. all they care about is the net worth amount to be printed on their tombstone and nothing about other people. I guess a 2nd hand cologne set beats my menards gift of a 3inch by 5 inch american flag glued to a wood dowel with a little tag that states MADE IN CHINA. I mailed it to jay leno and hoping to see it on his headline segment sometime.
Ramiro,
You sure do have a knack at misdirection when anyone brings up anything negative about John and Menards business practices. Pollution and toxic waste disposal laws predated Menards violations. With John being extremely cheap they are always looking for a way to save a buck. Do you really think they didn't know that taking toxic waste home and putting out with Johns trash was illegal? How about filling in a stream in Souix Falls for the new store? Menards got fined and probably tried to blame the the contractor(They always try to blame someone else for anything that goes wrong)? The micromanagement by the construction project managers really makes this idea ridiculous. They have record for environmental fines in Wisconsin.
The company had no policies on how to deal with waste so it was one of those "unwritten policies" that Menards is famous for. Just like the illegal "unwritten" policy of not hiring anyone who was ever employed in a union business. How about the lack of minorities working at the GO that is being investigated by the EEOC. The only minorities I ever saw come from the GO were you and the asian guy from store planning. How is that defensible?
If Todd W is still reading this- I always wondered what happened to you. Its amazing how people disappear so fast from the Menard world.
I been following this page for months and its time to add my concern. yesterday i was helping a customer dig though fence panels trying to find a decent one and as i was moving one i got a sliver pushed into my finger. i was worried as i could tell it went fairly deep so after after helping the customer i went to the manager and asked if he had a pair of tweezers to use. his reply was sarcasm calling me a baby and to tough it out. so went to the store manager and he told me if needed tweezers so bad i needed to punch out buy that with my money, remove the sliver on my time then punch in when i was ready to work again. I told him and about 15 other people that i felt it was competly stupid and it really upset me. my concern now between this situation and postings on here is what would happen if i or anyone had serious work injury how would it be trying to get any workman compemsation from menards. im not talking about the slipping on ice and expecting 100,000 dollars but a honest cut and needing stiches at a hospital. it sounds like menards would use every excuse to avoid paying the bill. my past job and most companies are honest about that if your honest about your injury but if menards is a prick about a pair of tweezers for a sliver i hope i never get a more serious injury since i probably wouldnt even get a get well card from the company
Yard employee,
It sounds as if either it wasn't bad or your managers are just idiots. Everything I have seen over the years shows the work comp insurance company is pretty good to work with. Things may be changing as cost cutting seems more important than taking care of team members. I have seen a few people hurt badly and the insurance company seemed very concerned and took care of their medical and pay. Who knows how long that would last if the injury was bad though.
this article was written after interviewing some disgruntled ex-employees, a distant cousin, and ex business assoicates with an axe to grind. Not very fair and balanced to say the least. John gave 15 million to the Mayo clinic, but according to most you bloggers here he is a greedy ***** He has also gave alot of money to the university of Wisconsin and several other charities. He has never been one to brag about his donations, like most businesses and rich people who do it for the pubilicity. It isn't very Christian to brag about such things is it? As far as Ed Archibald, he was caught red handed strong arming vendors to give him several thousands of dollars of building materials for his rental properties. Regardless of what Ed says there was proof. Ed was one of John's most trusted executives and, I believe he considered him a personal friend, he wouldn't of fired him without proof.
Andy Petree was to provide competitive, current race cars for Paul Menard with Menard inc. sponsorship to drive per the contract with Menard's. Instead he tried to pass off 2-3 year old refurbished cars as new. They were not competitive and Andy did not live up to his end of the contract. If John really broke his contract with Petree without cause, I'm sure there would of been a lawsuit filed by Petree. There was none.
as far as all these ex-employee bloggers, most of the complaining I read sounds like problems with your immediate supervisors, things I'm sure John knows nothing about and had nothing to do with, past the fact his name is on the building. John has made mistakes in business and in his personel life, but who hasn't? He is just a man like you or me. we all screw up from time to time, that is just being human.
The fact is that Menard's has provided 1000's of midwestern families with a decent living and consumers with low prices 2nd to none
Of course John doesn't know about individual employee complaints. According to what I am reading from your so called complainers it never seems to get that far,if you are a current employee. John did however create the culture that now exists, a confusing mixture of written,unwritten and discretional policies that are intended to maintain a level of fear for one's job and livelihood. This tends to silence any civil rights complaints. You Menard cheerleaders keep bringing up the fact that the article was written by interviewing disgruntled former associates. WHY is the majority disgruntled? Also the people in the know always seem to know John personally so you are likewise biased. The members of the court never disrespect the king for fear of losing their heads or to be banished to some store in frostbite Montana. As for his benevolence to The Mayo Clinic. Doesn't it make sense to provide funding for state of the art medical equipment to the hospital that is going to be trying to save your life? Just another example of John covering all of his bases. Now if only he could persuade the DNR to be his freind.
mayor for guy that has never worked at Menard's or met John Menard you sure have alot of opinions. Alot of what was is the orginal article was untrue as I pionted out earlier. But you believed what you wanted to, fine whatever. Menard's has 10's of thousand employees, because 20 or so of them blogged bad things on this negative biased article, the majority is disgruntled? It seems to me that you don't like Menard's, Walmart and such because they are nonunion that's fine. But to bash a guy as bad as you did that you don't know personally is out of line.
I do know John personally, but I don't work for him. I do know alot of people that work for him that are very happy. There are no stores in frostbite or anywhere else in Montana to banish people to. But when Menard's does open stores in Montana I'm sure they will send the best people they can seeing it is so far from the headquarters. John has accomplished the American dream, son of a diaryfarmer to a billionaire. He should be very proud. Socialists like you think everybody should payed the same and noone should get ahead. Worked well in the USSR didn't. I'm done with you now. Go try to organize the local diary queen now and quit blogging about things you know nothing about.
Someone in the know,
I hate to burst your bubble but the negative aspects of the article are basically true. I don't know much about John's family life but if you think he doesn't know what is going on, then you are foolish. John keeps everything in the company under his thumb and he has people that go out and report things to him. The company is subject to a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination in Illinois federal court. The EEOC is investigating the General Office for racial discrimination and I can tell you in all my years as a store manager I saw two minorities come from the GO.
And it's not Montana they banish people too, it is International Falls Minnesota.
The part about not hiring any former union workers is also true. Some say that John can hire as he pleases because its his company but this is a violation on the National Labor Relations Act. If any people applied and were not hired and they were former union members would probably have a case for suing the company under the NLRA.
About Ed Archibald, a name like Atilla The Hun would better serve him. He thrived on intimidation; the more he could intimidate someone the better he was, or so he thought. I remember one day when he was totally out of control, on the other hand , his normal self. I was merchandise manager for wall coverings and wall coverings at the time. I was sitting at my desk in lower floor of General Office. Unless things have changed, every single item that is in Menard stores is approved by John Menard. It is quite a process, before going to John for final approval there was paper work going back and forth many times between merchandise managers and Ed Archibald, sometimes the actual sample was sent along with it. Archibald took offense to some snide comment I wrote; he came unglued and came down to my desk and slammed samples of wood flooring on my desk so hard it disintegrated the stacked wire baskets full of paperwork. Stuff flew every which way. He was screaming f words at me so loud I told him to lower his voice and calm down before he had a heart attack. That needless to say pissed him off even more; he finally walked away. It was so loud the entire building surely heard it. Shortly after, John Menards daughter, Renee, came down from her advertising office and asked if I was OK. She must have reported back to John because shortly after that John phoned and asked if I would join him for dinner that evening. At dinner John asked me if everything was OK between Ed Archibald and I; I told him everything was fine if I could not handle it I would let him know. I did tell him that Archibald's tantrums did not scare me but I found it stupid that he acted that way, and one day if it continued he would end up having heart health problems. The subject was dropped and we talked about a lot of other things. Dropped until the next day when Archibald asked to have lunch with me. John told him to have lunch with me and apoligize for his stupid behavior.
I found out Ed Archibald was gone when I stopped unannounced at Johnson Creek, Wisconsin store one day. Store manager recognized me and could not wait to ask me if I was aware that Archibald was gone. I immediately asked if that meant he was dead. He showed me an e-mail notice that Charlie Menard had sent to all store with notification of Archibald no longer working for Menards. As this store manager relayed to me, Ed had appliance vendors deliver appliances to his rental apartments without going thru Menards. How true is that, I could not tell you, but needless to say Menards has survivied just fine without Atilla The Hun. He knew the rules and he chose to break them; he got his just reward. However nothing suprises me, the day could come when he makes amends with John Menard.
Your article about Menard was dead right, but the story of Menard's mean nature was incomplete. I worked for the organization's home office for several months.
The corporate atmosphere was fraught with a palpable tension. The building is shabby and worn. The few bathrooms are disgustingly dirty and always overcrowded. The work days are peppered with loud, foul language. Phone abuse of other employees is often heard. Management was terse and often rude, and the pay was abysmal.
In all my experience, I've never seen such a display of unprofessional behavior.
A company can truly reflect the heart of it's ownership.
Menard, despite his millions, is a sad case. Thank you for pointing it out.
Happy holidays to all of you lucky menards team members who get the honor of working on july 4th 2008. Im sure the extra 2.50 a hour you will be making more then compensates you and your familys and friends for you missing out on all your hoilday events. Who needs to celebrate the country's independance when you can spend the day in the loving arms of someone who nags you to face end caps and break your back unloading pallets of bricks. Years from now when your family looks back in photo albums im sure everyone will understand you missing from the pictures because you were making 11.30 a hour including your 2.50 holiday bonus pay. Hats off to Mr. Menard
Ya,the 2.50 extra an hour today really go's a long way not! Getting yelled at by the store manager about something happening on my day off is the best or getting a fine on my day off. It doesn't get any better than that. Independence day, I no independance if I work for Menards due to much of there products coming from china.
time to kick ramiro duenes in the balls!
Someone in the know. Socialist huh. I didn't know that caring about workers rights and their future security was reason to consider myself a socialist. How about my concern for our planet and a dislike for willful polluters and resource squanderers. I guess that's boldfaced anti-capitalism. I wonder how much diesel fuel it takes to ship those pallets to Eau Claire. I'm sure it's worth every penny in John's mind.
I do admire a self-made billionaire capitalist who happens to show concern for the environment and is spending his money for the good of mankind. His name is Bill Gates
Shawn Gach, are you a former employee of Menards? Did I do something to you personally that would cause you to say it was time to kick me in the balls? FYI, you saying that does not hurt my feelings. You are welcome to express yourself in any way you so desire, so is anyone else including blogger Mayor, that Someone In The Know was also condeming. I cannot help but think that perhaps you were a victom of my reports to John Menard, perhaps you lost your job over it? Understand I did not without consciense report anything from my visits to Menard stores or with intent of anyone losing their job. I do believe however that perhaps there were such results over the years. I still maintain that I, in person, experienced the other side of the story about many happenings at Menards. Some things were totally bad, some were actually good, that helped make things better for both employees and customers.
An example may perhaps even be Todd Werner leaving Menards after his getting demoted. Todd was first blogger to this article, claiming that he did not know why he got demoted; their was no reason he claims. He was a buyer for many years and I wonder whether it had anything to do with out of stocks? You see a lot of my reporting was on store out of stocks. There is absolutely no reason for entire Menard store chain to be out of stock, when I would notice a lot of out of stocks I would check out the competition, if they could be in stock, why was Menards sold out. I am just guessing but perhaps the products Todd was responsible for were a problem too many times. Trust me, Todd was not demoted for no reason.
Ramiro Duenes sounds like the biggest snitch who ever existed, and he is so proud of it. Im sure it must be a great power trip to watch a employee work the the garden center for a hour in 95 degree weather then as soon as they go in the store to get a drink from the water fountin go tell their manager that so and so is not being productive, then run back to corperate and brag about getting someone fired. well ramio my name is David Stephenson and work at one of the menards stores. Im currently making 9.00 a hour after my last raise and 2 and half years employment. I noticed in all your comments you never mentioned pay. Heres the news folks menards gives a whole 10 cents raise every 6 months............. but only if the department and store managers aprove it and you pass a multiple choice test where they ask you questions where most the questions dont apply to your department and also can have more then one correct answer depending on your point of view. The last time i had the raise the managers tried to refuse it based on me focusing too much on customer service instead of stocking but as soon as i mentioned how can i transfer to antother store they changed their mind. Like its my fault they only have one or 2 employees in each department, and dont feel im out of line assisting a customer in another department after they gest fustrated waiting for help over half a hour. trust me folks when im spending 6.00 a day on gas round trip just to get to work do you really think a 10 cent per hour raise or 8 cents after taxes goes a long way? so Ramiro if you want to turn me in for giving out menards secret of 10 cent raises every 6 months your more then welcome too, as im sure it does wonders for your self esteme.
Why are you complaining on spending only a mere 6 bucks on gas a day round trip?! And 9 bucks an hour is pretty good im sure compared to other places. And having to take a test isn't that big of a deal, because they are checking to see if you are competent enough to actually deserve that raise. And as for the comments on working the fourth of July, Menards wasn't the only retailer open on the Fourth, and getting an extra 2.50 for working is pretty good. If you can't commit yourself to a job, find another one that you don't have to work holidays, and stop complaining. Besides, on holidays, stores close early, so team members can spend time with family.
Hey, AJ.....
Store-closings at 6pm are hardly time-enough to spend with family...especially if the employee (team members---blech...) has to work 6am the next morning. But I digress...
Being a gate-guard, I had a view of all things unique to the store I was at in the Milwaukee region. I fielded a lot of complaints from customers (guests---blech...) regarding QUALITY of merchandise which was mostly crap.
Regarding the yard people...they were the hardest working, most talented people in the store. They were also the most harrassed by the sorry excuse for a GM.
A fish rots from the head---down.
Posting by David Stephenson, you are welcome to call me the biggest snitch or anything else you so desire. I was compensated for the challange and opportunity presented me. I have no regrets; if employees of Menards lost their jobs over my reporting, so be it, they did it to themselves by their actions. I know of only one situation where termination of an employee was unjustified. Menards used to own their own delivery trucks driven by Menard employees. A number of years that was switched over to contracted haulers. One day, long ago on my way out of Rochester I stopped at Rochester Menards North. Their was a 5-ton flat loaded to the hilt with building materials going to Owatonna, MN., which is about 40 miles from Rochester. I asked outside yard manager, John Zaft, who came by as I was looking over the loaded truck. I asked him where it was going and if anyone had checked oil and fluid levels. He responded by telling me everything was fine, he had just checked it himself. I popped the hood open and the oil dip stick did not register any oil; in that type of vehicle it was at least two quarts low. I showed dip stick to OS yard manager and he told me he would take care of it, did not know where the oil went since it was OK when he had just checked it. I took a picture of the truck and went into store and told store manager I did not appreciate being lied to and sent in a report along with the picture. I found out later that Jack Mettler, senior merchandise manager had phoned store telling store manager that someones head to roll on this one. The driver who was not the one that lied to me got fired. There is more to the story; the reason I even questioned the oil and fluid levels was because I had week prior been at Golden Valley, MN store where their delivery truck engine had blown up because of lack of oil. When I learned of the wrong person getting fired I told store manager that he best contact Jack Mettler about wrong person getting fired. He obviously chose not to, John Zaft to this day remains outside manager at this store. You still feel I should just have ignored things in doing the job I was asked to do; there are many other such examples of what I did.
David Stephenson, I no longer am employed by Menards and I am not going to turn you in for anything. Why are you so paranoid? You are just as important as any one else at Menards and I would advise you to do the best you can and if you get fired for that, screw it, as long as you truely believe you gave your best. I admire you for having the balls to give your name when expressing your thoughts, while still employed at Menards. If you are truely unhappy with things still continue to do your best, other opportunities will open up at Menards, or else seek other employment where you will not be miserable.
POSTING BY RAMIRO DUENES: YOU NEVER DID ANYTHING TO ME I CAN JUST TELL YOUR A HOMO BY HOW YOU WRITE MENARDS IS THE BEST JOB EVER! ***** THAT. 10 CENT PAY RAISES CAN KISS MY ASS! YOU NEED TO GET IN THE REAL WORLD OUTSIDE MENARDS, GO GET LAID OR SOMETHING
2 sides to every story...
I remember reading this article when it came out. Name 1 president or CEO of a major US corporation who is a saint.
A couple of weeks after this story came out, the Eau Claire Leader-Telegram interviewed JM for a rebuttal. It was titled "That's Not Me" or something to that effect. Pretty good read, John refutes the claims in the Milwaukee Mag article and doesn't hold back. The main points are that he of course does care about his kids, he created jobs, and also addresses all the people who criticize him for firing so many employees. He said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) that "if you aren't going to run the store according to my policies and directives you shouldn't be working there." For a company that has been growing for 40 years under his rule, this is a valid point.
Being an employee for the last 10 years I can say that a majority of the people I've seen let go where fired for a legit reason (no-shows, incompetence, chronic lateness, cheating on time cards, failed random drug tests, etc.).
Of the 4 companies I've worked for (3 being large corporations) this is the one that you truly get out of it what you put into it. Promotions are based on merit, not kissing up (WHAT you know, not WHO you know). People that go the extra mile, have a good attitude, and are capable ARE noticed and promoted if they choose to accept it.
I am neither a John fanboy nor was I paid to write this, but come on. Just because a bunch of disgruntled former employees have ill will towards the company and John means it is a bad company or person?
Please.
I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.
A1 9 Blocker,
How about some of the things I have addressed previously?
Illegally refusing to hire anyone who ever worked at a union business.(unwritten rule)
No minorities at the GO. I saw two in 20 years. EEOC investigation of Menards for never turning in an EEOC 1 report and racial discrimination at the GO. They fought this for five years and I wonder why it was fought with such vigor. This is required report of minorities and women employed. Corporate Counsel statement was it was an oversight. I know the lawyers Menard's has on staff are not the best, but come on.
Dumping of toxic waste, John taking toxic waste home to put out with his trash. Until they got burned repeatedly by the EPA there was no policy for disposing of gasoline and chemicals. The standard operating procedure was to dump on the ground or down a manhole.(Another unwritten rule)
Filling in a stream in South Dakota.
In all my time as a store manager I saw only one African American in store management(AGM).
The company lost the first round of a class action lawsuit based on racial discrimination in Illinois federal court district. I'm sure it will go on for years but hopefully they will eventually lose. This one could break Johns piggy bank.
We all know what a micro manager that John is, so I think we can all draw the right conclusion about his knowledge and involvement in these things. Is it possible that a company can be bad? Yes, If it reflects the personality of the person who keeps his thumb on all aspects of the company.
mr. A1 9 blocker. you refer to people getting ahead there based on what they know? why then are raises 10 cents every six months at a pre determined date?? Sure you can be turned down for the raise if the managers are not on your side. But for example if 20 difffernt customers come up to the general manager in 3 months and tell them joe is extremly helpful to them with their projects and joe is flawlessy on time to work every day and covers for employees who take days off, the general manager has absolutly no ability to move up the date of the raise, increase the amout of the raise, or give joe a raise at store management discression. 20 cents a year is by no means moving up and no where near the inflation to cost of living. Honestly if cost of living raises faster then your pay then your sinking instead of moving ahead. I guess the corperate payroll department "team memebers" are not required to have taken economics 101 to get their job.
Thanks A1 9 Blocker! Its good to have another positive person here. To Member of the team...there have been cost of living raises issued to team members. And to some people, making guests happy shopping at Menards is maybe a little more important than getting a raise. Sure it would be nice to get a raise if many people compliment you, but helping guests and making them happy is part of every team members job.
Posting by Shawn Gach, thank you for the info.,. I will now be able to sleep nights knowing I did not do anything to you. As for you resorting to calling me names, call me all the names you so desire, does not bother me one iota. I do not remember having stated that Menards was the best job ever, more on that on another posting. Also, more on the rest of your three line posting later; I have more important family things needing attention right now. I do have input on pay raises, the world outside Menards and getting laid. Your somewhat sheltered narrow mind brings up some interesting points. Later.
Good heavens AJ what a dedicated team member you are. Have you always been so willing to serve or is this something that occurred after watching too many Menards Team Member training videos. You know those things have subliminal messages in them don't you. But if you truly want to help the guests AND make John happy you may like to consider taking a pay cut. Or at least take your own toilet paper to work with you for goodness sakes and take one for the team. Now go practice self-flagellation and repeat to yourself...I will be a better Team Member...I will be a better Team Member...I will be a better Team Member...
This blog controversy seems to have a life of it's own. Maybe some other readers have guessed that JM himself is one of his so called 'defenders'.
This ins't the first time he's handled things under an alias, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Isn't that right, 'Ray'?
If anyone out there works for lowes, home depot, hardware store, or general lumber stores near a menards store watch out for people trying to buy your entire stock of a commom item required to do a project such as coils of roofing nails or 5 gallon driveway sealer containers. I overheard recently menards corperate is asking employees to go to other stores to buy up inventories one specific item needed to do commom projects. That way the other stores will be out in theory, and the customer will have to go to menards. To me that doesn't sound to be of proper ethics but it does go along with everything menards belives in.
remember you can save big money by buying low quality imported junk.
On 07 17 2008 I was treated very poorly in a local Menards store Galseburg illinois to be exact. I went to purchase an air compressor as I have been building a new gerage from the ground up. After spending around 6000.00 for materials my compressor gave out. I found one for 179.00 that looked like it would be a good one. Just as I was loading it my wife pointed out the same unit but it had two nail guns included it. I could not find a price on it so I asked one of the workers if he knew how much it was. He checked the sku number written on the side of the box and told me it was the same price as the one with out the nail guns. I asked him why it was the same and he replied it must be a special deal. He helped me put the first one back and load the second one. When I got to the register to pay for the item it came up 279.00. I asked them to call the person that had given me the price and had them enter the sku number writen on the side of the box. It came up 179.00. I asked them to have a maniger meet me over in the isle so that we could try and find out the price on the second set up and while I was waiting in the isle another worker came over and asked if he could help. I asked him how much